[quote]Professor X wrote:
I think the fact that anyone believes anything he writes…including him being a teacher…is worrisome.[/quote]
You’ve referred to me as a troll on a number of occasions. Do you think I mean what I write or that I’m just doing it to get a rise out of others?
[quote]Lorisco wrote:
[…]
This is a very good post. I totally agree and would also say that in retrospect it might have been a better community approach to start with everyone in T-cell and then start to weed them out after a few inappropriate posts; meaning obnoxious and ride, not just a disagreement. This way it might offer more value to all members, not just a few.[/quote]
Thanks, Lorisco, also for bringing the thread back on topic.
Partly that was tried in the first incarnation of the cell - still with people tapping each other for membership. I was a member of the first cell - and still did not post in it, as I thought it would have been wrong.
I’m opposed to the principle - I don’t like other members like Prof X going into my posting history (which he just did) and decide that I may not be allowed to contribute in another part of the forum. Hell, this is not even in the Cell, and I get flak for stating this simple opinion.
Am I a troll - do I wind up people and am I abusive? No. My preference for posting in non-training threads disqualifies me. Do I want to post in the Cell? No. I’m still opposed to the principle that someone who is not a moderator has the effective ability to limit my options as a member.
I think that sets the wrong signal towards the community that we used to be - all equal, with different interests and talents to contribute. My talent does not lie in giving training advice - but to do what is often said to the noobs as a good thing - shut up and train. I do that - with the effect described above.
Makkun
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[…]
Agreed. It was quite clear there are many, many people that shouldn’t be posting there. And Mak, this has nothing to do with eliteism or anything like that. They simply couldn’t talk about training seriously.[/quote]
Nice that we agree - and that the first cell wasn’t brought down by the evil Headhunter. 
I know and I saw that ‘they’ weren’t talking about training. The Prof is right on one thing - there were too many posts that were anti-bodybuilding.
My problem is that I don’t think the right solution was chosen - twice in a row. Don’t get me wrong - I think the second cell is lovely compared to the first - it’s imho still wrong in principle.
Re elitism: With segregation comes normally a little bit of group dynamics - the people in the cell are great, and I mean that. But they have a special privilege given to them by a select group of members with a special privilege.
Makkun
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Mak = Makkun
Not you.
Ah.
Carry on then.
(shuffles away embarrassed)[/quote]
Gods beware, Mak, you wouldn’t want to be associated with me at the moment.
Makkun
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
…And Mak, this has nothing to do with eliteism or anything like that. They simply couldn’t talk about training seriously.
In four pages of Mak’s posts, there isn’t even ONE post in a forum about lifting weights. NOT ONE.
The people complaining the most are also the ones who contribute the least to any forums that have to do with what this website is supposed to be about.
Slow down boys. I wasn’t complaining. I read the T-Cell on occasion and pick up some pretty interesting information. I don’t need to be posting there.
(confused)[/quote]
Hehe 4 pages of your posts would probably only account for a few hours of activity anyways!
[quote]makkun wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
[…]
This is a very good post. I totally agree and would also say that in retrospect it might have been a better community approach to start with everyone in T-cell and then start to weed them out after a few inappropriate posts; meaning obnoxious and ride, not just a disagreement. This way it might offer more value to all members, not just a few.
Thanks, Lorisco, also for bringing the thread back on topic.
Partly that was tried in the first incarnation of the cell - still with people tapping each other for membership. I was a member of the first cell - and still did not post in it, as I thought it would have been wrong.
I’m opposed to the principle - I don’t like other members like Prof X going into my posting history (which he just did) and decide that I may not be allowed to contribute in another part of the forum. Hell, this is not even in the Cell, and I get flak for stating this simple opinion.
Am I a troll - do I wind up people and am I abusive? No. My preference for posting in non-training threads disqualifies me. Do I want to post in the Cell? No. I’m still opposed to the principle that someone who is not a moderator has the effective ability to limit my options as a member.
I think that sets the wrong signal towards the community that we used to be - all equal, with different interests and talents to contribute. My talent does not lie in giving training advice - but to do what is often said to the noobs as a good thing - shut up and train. I do that - with the effect described above.
Makkun[/quote]
I hear you Bro. But I think it is ok for the Sheriffs to make the decision of T-Cell posting, but it should be based on some documented reasonable criteria. And excluding someone from posting because they post in non-weight training forums is not reasonable. I have been lifting for a while and still love it, but that is not all I do and not all my interests. So if I post in a non-weight training forums that should be irrelevant to my posting in T-Cell or other lifting forums.
It also seems that people were excluded because of differing opinions, not based on being a troll or abusive to others.
So again, to me it’s not that the sheriffs shouldn’t choose, they should just do it with some rational reasonable criteria.
I was also initially part of T-Cell until it changed. I actually maybe posted once (can’t remember). I didn’t post much because I did not like the idea of an elite exclusive community. I think all ideas are valuable, even if I disagree with them. I also think that newbee’s should be able to post so they can ask questions. Some sheriffs are excluding newbee’s because they ask dumb questions, and that is not right either.
you’re all a bunch of fucking retards. grow up already.
ok, maybe not everyone, but seriously.
TCA, read it or don’t read it. I have about 10 forums that show up on my list, all the other ones are blocked because I dont’ use them and it just wastes my time when I’m clicking between forums.
[quote]Lorisco wrote:
I hear you Bro. But I think it is ok for the Sheriffs to make the decision of T-Cell posting, but it should be based on some documented reasonable criteria. And excluding someone from posting because they post in non-weight training forums is not reasonable. I have been lifting for a while and still love it, but that is not all I do and not all my interests. So if I post in a non-weight training forums that should be irrelevant to my posting in T-Cell or other lifting forums. [/quote]
People are excluded that ONLY post in non weight training forums. If they’re not going to contribute to weight training discussion, what’s the point of giving them access?
Name 1 person who was excluded because they had a different opinion.
[quote]I also think that newbee’s should be able to post so they can ask questions. Some sheriffs are excluding newbee’s because they ask dumb questions, and that is not right either.
[/quote]
They already have an entire forum for that (beginners) and they are also allowed to post in the bodybuilding forum, which members of the tcell still visit and contribute to.
Seriously, you’re not making a whole lot of sense.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Elitism is not why that forum was created. In fact, if anyone is still in the dark about why the T-Cell was created, maybe they should avoid discussing it. It simply makes them look very clueless.[/quote]
Looking at loriso’s post above, I’m starting to think you might be right about this. It’s completely hopeless. They’ll never get it.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Elitism is not why that forum was created. In fact, if anyone is still in the dark about why the T-Cell was created, maybe they should avoid discussing it. It simply makes them look very clueless.
Looking at loriso’s post above, I’m starting to think you might be right about this. It’s completely hopeless. They’ll never get it.[/quote]
The people complaining about the T-Cell are just dumb. They don’t get it! They complain or use stupid reasoning because they are not a part of it. It’s just jealousy.
"Never Go Full Retard!
[quote]Nate Dogg wrote:
"Never Go Full Retard![/quote]
Dammit, where the hell is that from?
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Nate Dogg wrote:
"Never Go Full Retard!
Dammit, where the hell is that from?[/quote]
[quote]Nate Dogg wrote:
Makavali wrote:
Nate Dogg wrote:
"Never Go Full Retard!
Dammit, where the hell is that from?
[/quote]
That’s definitely become your forum quote.
(and I’ll still never get tired of it.)
[quote]AngryVader wrote:
Nate Dogg wrote:
Makavali wrote:
Nate Dogg wrote:
"Never Go Full Retard!
Dammit, where the hell is that from?
That’s definitely become your forum quote.
(and I’ll still never get tired of it.)[/quote]
Really? I think he’s used it enough to become a Full Douche.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
you’re all a bunch of fucking retards. grow up already.
ok, maybe not everyone, but seriously.
TCA, read it or don’t read it. I have about 10 forums that show up on my list, all the other ones are blocked because I dont’ use them and it just wastes my time when I’m clicking between forums.[/quote]
It’s never been about reading it. I find it mildly interesting - with a stronger focus on specific members. Prof X is doing a good job with his member focused threads. What I find retarded is the level of abuse you get when saying you don’t like the idea.
Makkun
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[…]People are excluded that ONLY post in non weight training forums. If they’re not going to contribute to weight training discussion, what’s the point of giving them access?[…][/quote]
If that were decided by the moderators - fine. Again - and that seems to be a point no one seems to want to address: I think members shouldn’t have the right to decide for other members where they will be allowed to post.
Also, I know people like to look down on some of the non-training forums. But I’ve never seen any official hierarchy of forums which define that these are in any form less worthy. Yes, I know - ‘this is a bodybuilding site!’ - but they are official forums none the less. Members contribute to the quality of this site (and its range of search words) in there just as others do.
Makkun
[quote]Nate Dogg wrote:
[…]The people complaining about the T-Cell are just dumb. They don’t get it! They complain or use stupid reasoning because they are not a part of it. It’s just jealousy.
"Never Go Full Retard![/quote]
Thanks for this contribution - I liked the film as well.
On the other issue - if you read the actual arguments you might understand the issue better. But you’ve added nicely to the tally of insults for respectfully disagreeing with TCA. So far I have been called: dumb, idiot, retard. Not that they are not colourful metaphors - I’d be happier with arguments instead of insults. But, as I simply ‘don’t get it’, never mind.
Makkun
Actually, as I’ve done before in an earlier discussion on this - don’t bother anyone answering my posts. Let’s just let this thread die.
We’re not moving on on the issue, and I think everyone has had a chance to post their view. Questions are not answered, insults are slung - for the sake of forum quality, let’s leave this issue alone.
Makkun
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
I hear you Bro. But I think it is ok for the Sheriffs to make the decision of T-Cell posting, but it should be based on some documented reasonable criteria. And excluding someone from posting because they post in non-weight training forums is not reasonable. I have been lifting for a while and still love it, but that is not all I do and not all my interests. So if I post in a non-weight training forums that should be irrelevant to my posting in T-Cell or other lifting forums.
People are excluded that ONLY post in non weight training forums. If they’re not going to contribute to weight training discussion, what’s the point of giving them access?
[/quote]
Ah no, that is not correct. People have been excluded because they post a little in other forums. And no, I’m not going to tell you who. They will have to speak up themselves.
They will have to speak up themselves. It has occurred, but if they don’t care then I’m not going to mention who they are.
[quote]
They already have an entire forum for that (beginners) and they are also allowed to post in the bodybuilding forum, which members of the tcell still visit and contribute to.
Seriously, you’re not making a whole lot of sense.[/quote]
A lot of the posts by some of the T-cell guys in the beginner forum have been only to flame some of the newbe’s dumb questions. So sorry sport, I don’t think that is too helpful.
But to be honest, I really don’t care myself, I was just voicing oppositions that others have told me. Even when I had access I never posted in T-cell, even though I post a lot in the BB forum. I just don’t get off on belonging to elite private groups.
[quote]makkun wrote:
Actually, as I’ve done before in an earlier discussion on this - don’t bother anyone answering my posts. Let’s just let this thread die.
We’re not moving on on the issue, and I think everyone has had a chance to post their view. Questions are not answered, insults are slung - for the sake of forum quality, let’s leave this issue alone.
Makkun[/quote]
Sorry, missed your post before I posted. Yes, I think that’s a good idea.