Syria, Here We Go Again

The US under Trump convinced the Kurds one year ago to withdraw their heavy weapons facing Turkey, claiming that a token force of 500 US soldiers is sufficient to deter Erdogan.

In other news, after 2300 years the people of the Zagroz mountains have finally reopened a land bridge to the Mediterranean

The departure of US forces foreshadows the construction of a “highway” that will offer a direct route for Iranians and Shiite militias between Tehran and Beirut. As a senior Arab diplomat explained to The Times of Israel, the development will allow Iranian Revolutionary Guards al-Quds Force commander Qassem Soleimani to drive straight from Tehran to the offices of Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah in Dahiya, Beirut.

I remember when Obama was President, the GOP was in arms over a possible Iranian land bridge to the Mediterranean that could threaten Israel and blamed the cowardly Obama for it.

I wonder how will they react to a POTUS that actively made it happen?

Didn’t matter that 1100 kids died fighting ISIS? Kurdish kids lives don’t matter? They did our fighting, they deserved better.

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That was obvious when you spoke of Trump’s “actions against the Kurds.”

I do not. If I take my toys and go elsewhere, I haven’t hurt you.

Isn’t Turkey our NATO ally? We want weapons aimed at our NATO allies?

It’ll be the greatest thing that ever happened ever in the world, bigly…

Because it did NOT involve Obama.

ah-oh, looks like he’s gonna be a tough guy!

You are either naive or a simpleton.

Ceasefire announced. So that’s good news.

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Erdogan will only meet with Trump… okay.

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I know it’s just one snap shot, but that’s an interesting snap shot.

Their lives matter. It’s important to note that the Kurds were more than happy to take up those arms though. It’s not like the US forced them to fight, they wanted to fight. And Americans fought too, along side of them.
I think it’s important we provide some protections for them, but we cannot solve the problem, it’s been around longer than the US.

It’s probably a good idea to get our nukes out of Turkey and move them to a real ally like the Czech’s or Pol’s. They’ed be happy to host our nuclear arsenal. They would probably kiss them and wax them everyday, with micro-fiber towels.

Considering I can literally see Syria from my house (OK, from a hill on the edge of the farm), I suppose I should care more than I do.

Syria is a very complicated place.

You have the Kurds, who are generally OK, but really are only OK because they don’t have the upper hand. They have a terrorist group, the PKK, that are just as bad as anything there. They have legitimate beefs with Assad, ISIS, and Turkey, that span across three countries (Syria, Iraq, and Turkey). And some illegitimate beefs and dreams of a Kurdistan spanning Turkey, Syria, and Iraq.

You have Assad, the evil optometrist, who is a (kind of) Baathist, which is a sorta-fascist party that had its ideological and structural origins from literal German Nazis in Syria and really got going in the 1960s.

You have Hezbollah, which is really nothing more than an Iranian proxy, and complete assholes to everyone.

You have the Christians, who are not like Christians in the USA, but more like Christians in Germany, circa 1943. They are allied with Assad, which is bad, but probably out of necessity, all they can do. They are also the chief victims of ISIS.

You have the Druze, who can be some of the finest people you met, but also the worst. They seem to be extremely loyal to whatever government is in power. The Druze in Israel, for example, are some of the most Zionist, most Israeli, people I know. For example, one Israeli Druze I know liked to go to Germany and beat up Arabs in bars, just on general principle that he didn’t like people who talked trash about his country. Big tough dude, too. He’s also prone to yelling at Jews in the Diaspora, telling them they should go live in, and defend, their homeland.

There are several more significant groups I am leaving out because I don’t feel like typing a 12 page dissertation. Extreme summary is: they are all a mixed bag of assholes and victims, too.

I personally can’t think of any of them as “good guys”, in that every group is equally willing to kill women and children and, if in power, would be complete dicks to those not in power.

The only one I can say I legitimately want to get exterminated is Hezbollah because they are generally foreigners to Syria that have no business there except to cause trouble.

Any way, from a personal, Israeli, standpoint, I’d love about 10 divisions of the US Army, a couple Marine divisions, with about the same number of the US Airforce personnel stationed somewhere in the Israeli Negev providing air support. All with extreme, Soviet-style rules-of-engagement that killed anyone who so much as thought about being an asshole.

From a practical standpoint, I totally get why no American parent would want their child there. It’s an absolute quagmire, with little to gain, other than protection of me and mine.

Well, we Israelis are big boys (and girls). The safest place in Syria is the 100 mile or so zone in range of the absolute shit ton of very modern artillery we have placed on the high ground. Nobody acts up there (much).

Give us intelligence help (especially spy planes and satellites). Tell us what to blow up, and we will do it.

In sum, I really would love the USA to go in heavy, but it’s not your fight. So I get why you don’t. No other country would even entertain the idea.

With your help, we can keep the lid on it.

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I’m worried…

towlie

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After Pence said they agreed to a ceasefire, Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu says, “This is not a ceasefire. We will pause the operation for 120 hours in order for the terrorists to leave. We will only stop the operation if our conditions are met.”

https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/1184903022817824771

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I always enjoy your perspective Jewbacca. Sitting where you sit gives us good perspective.
I too have said basically what you said in this paragraph, if you really want to solve it, not band aid it, but solve it you have to go full court press. Unrepentantly, invade and up-end Syria. Do the things we have done before and loath doing it.
It will never happened. It’s an extremely unpopular idea, you apparently are the only one who would agree with such a thing.
It would be a bloody, lengthy nasty thing to do, but it’s the only thing I think would work.

Technically, we were there to eradicate ISIS and take away all their land. Mission accomplished. Technically, we should take our ball and go home since we completed what we set out to do.
There is really only one angel in the region, that’s Israel. I trust no one else there.

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Those Kurds who were blown up yesterday by ISIS suicide attacks would have probably disagreed .

Bibi does love Christian Zionists like you.

That’s right.

The lawyer in me thinks: if the US Congress wants action in Syria, then Nancy Pelosi can call a vote to declare war. Voluntary, non-emergency, wars are supposed to be accomplished by an Act of Congress.

Either shit, or get off the pot.

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We shall have to see if the Turkish are serious or not.

As always; thanks for the perspective, @Jewbacca.

The Middle East is always much more complex than people make it out to be.

Israel is the only small spec of sanity in the whole place.

Don’t mix up “insanity” with “ruthlessness”. Erdogan is sane, he has a pliant US president in office and a chance to de facto annex northern Syria at the cost of a few hundred AQ auxiliaries. It’s a huge win for him personally and a chance to expand his neo-Ottoman Empire. Nothing insane about that, just deeply abhorrent.

Assad survives after having been written off several times over and gets their old/new protector back. The Assad clan always functioned best when they listened to the Soviets. Again, nothing insane here.

The Russians get the chance to humiliate US on the ground, rummaging through hastily abandoned US bases and flying the flag. Also a win.

Iran gets a land bridge to Hezbollah. How’s about that from Trump @Jewbacca?

Everybody else gets a simple lesson - the US is not to be trusted.

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