Yes, The switch from TRT to Clomid was because of fertility.
I should be having another semen analysis in the near future.
I’ll post again after i hear from the doc and get his thoughts. I’m hoping I can continue the regimen as i feel good most of the time and i have a feeling that these numbers will only continue to improve with time.
I was impressed with how much total T i have with a relatively low LH/FSH number.
This doc wont test E2 or Free T.
I will have at least the free T number in a couple more weeks as i see a different doc that is a complete moron but at least tests Free T. He Doesnt have a clue what those numbers mean though.
I will continue to report back as things progress as i wish i could have found a well documented case like this as i began my TRT journey awhile back.
E2 can dampen what you feel, there may be a role for anastrozole, do E2 labs.
Clomid can have estrogenetic effects for some, and to varying degrees. Nolvadex can do everything that clomid does, without the sides.
T response takes time as there are gene expression changes followed by bulk tissue changes.
Today’s Semen Analysis showed a sperm count of 47 million verses ZERO on the 1st one.
Things are looking up it seems!
I have some blood work tomorrow that I can post up in the near future as well.
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I hate to say I TOLD YOU…
But i’m sure you can feel the difference in the size of your boys, plus
the size of your loads ? Sure makes me feel like more of a man !
I hate to say I TOLD YOU…
But i’m sure you can feel the difference in the size of your boys, plus
the size of your loads ? Sure makes me feel like more of a man !
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Weird… my balls grew quite a bit but loads got smaller
[quote]Macmathews wrote:
FREE T looks good…
Nevermind the number !
How do you feel ?
Been trying for a baby ?
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Been feeling OK, not great but OK. Erection strength has been way better this past week or so though. I wish I could get the Doc to check E2. I have a feeling this may be the reason for feeling just kinda blah.
Would i be dumb to give, say 6.25mg Asin EOD a try and see how i feel without blood work?
I wouldn’t be happy with that Free T number if I was also feeling blah. E2 is worth checking. If it’s high, bringing it down should also increase free T.
I will be visiting my main doc again soon. I will ask for SHBG and E2 blood work to go along with his normal order of total Test, LH, and FSH. Im betting I already know his answer though…
I may also ask about cutting the dose down to 12.5mg ED from the 25mg ED and seeing if i can loose some of the sides and still maintain Test levels/ sperm production.
Yup get those bloods you mentioned.
I was taking 25 EOD and my E2 ended up in the 70 and my LH was always a little over high norm
I will try this route again soon with 12mg EOD.
[quote]Ned wrote:
I will be visiting my main doc again soon. I will ask for SHBG and E2 blood work to go along with his normal order of total Test, LH, and FSH. Im betting I already know his answer though…
I may also ask about cutting the dose down to 12.5mg ED from the 25mg ED and seeing if i can loose some of the sides and still maintain Test levels/ sperm production.
Any one have any other input before me visit?
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That’s what i did. I couldn’t tell the difference between 25 and 12.5 except the sides let up a little. I’m actually trying halving it again right now. Can’t be exact breaking it down that small but whatever, it’s close enough. Maybe once it’s established it doesn’t take much to maintain it. We are in different situations though. I never really did TRT.
Yes, SERM’s can work. However, those chemicals are foreign to your body. hCG is not normally found in men, but all men were soaked in high levels of hCG in the womb for a few months. hCG and LH have two lobes. In each, the lobe that works in the LH receptor is identical. So in that regard, one can state that hCG is functionally bio-identical to LH. You cannot say that about a SERM. Perhaps long term low dose SERM’s would be a good choice - there simply is not any good data.
Taking a pill every day or two is certainly more attractive than an refrigerated injectable that also does not travel well. From a fertility point of view, the FSH levels from a SERM are important. One might cycle from hCG–>SERM periodically to preserver fertility in a better fashion. Something more of interest to the young men here.
And you never want high hCG doses or high LH from SERM doses that are too high. There is risk of LH receptor desensitization and high amounts of T–>E2 aromatization that cannot be controlled with anastrozole. So one should not use hCG+SERM. However, one might use small doses of each, but there is no experience with that known here. But if one did that, there is still the burden of injections.
And note that increased T levels with a SERM or hCG are more significant for younger men. With old guys, the tired old testes may not product much T. For me, years ago, on 100mg test cyp per week, 250iu hCG increased T levels 17%. hCG really brightened my mood. Many report this. That effect might be transient to some degree.
