[quote]analog_kid wrote:
PonceDeLeon wrote:
How much of this has to do with the beta alanine, which I know requires the same thing (extended use to notice benefits) ?
I don’t think this is true at all(in regards to beta alanine). The first time I used a beta alanine product I noticed it’s effects immediately. The tingling, the ability to just push yourself more, the whole deal. It may be my personal reaction to it, but as far as I can tell it’s a drink and go product, and I haven’t noticed a compound effect from continued use as far as I can tell.
I can’t say if this is true or not for SURGE Workout Fuel, as mine won’t arrive until tomorrow. [/quote]
I would agree on the beta alanine, I felt the effects right away. I do think that the body becomes adapted to it over time though. I got the best results in the first 3 months. After that, even with upping the dose, all I got was tingly hands. For me, I think it would work best cycled.
[quote]DOHCrazy wrote:
Foenix wrote:
I used to but they were costing too much money so I havn’t been.
EDIT: I have been considering getting some powder BCAA’s to save money. Does anyone have experience with this or can recommend a type? Would I be better off with Biotest BCAA’s?
BCAA powder is horrible tasting, and doesn’t mix well. That is the main reason I go with BCAA tablets from Biotest.
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Crystal Light tangerine/grapefruit flavor really helps dissolve the powdered BCAAs. Ends up tasting like orangy crunchy water.
I just got some yesterday.
Now why doesn’t it tell you how much to take.
Is it 1 scoop b/f you train, 1 during and 1 after?
How are you supposed to know?
Also, if you are supposed to sip on this for a while after you train then when are you now supposed to drink the original Surge?
I would agree on the beta alanine, I felt the effects right away. I do think that the body becomes adapted to it over time though. I got the best results in the first 3 months. After that, even with upping the dose, all I got was tingly hands. For me, I think it would work best cycled.[/quote]
[quote]JK44 wrote:
I just got some yesterday.
Now why doesn’t it tell you how much to take.
Is it 1 scoop b/f you train, 1 during and 1 after?
How are you supposed to know?
Also, if you are supposed to sip on this for a while after you train then when are you now supposed to drink the original Surge?
very confusing[/quote]
The following is taken from the Surge Workout Fuel label.
Mixing Instructions for SURGE During Workout Drink: Use one level scoop per 10 oz of cold water. Pour the desired number of level scoops into the required amount of cold water and either shake or stir until thoroughly mixed.
Recommended Use for SURGE During Workout Drink: To hydrate and pre-load buffering substrates, begin using 15 minutes prior to training. To assure proper hydration and achieve maximum-performance levels, sip while exercising at a minimum rate of 20 fl oz per hour. To substantially reduce post-exercise cramping, balance and replace electrolytes and glycogen stores, and kick-start the recovery process, continue sipping for up to one-half hour after training.
So, each scoop should be mixed with 10 ounces of water and 20 ounces of this mixture, which would contain 2 scoops, should be consumed per hour beginning 15 minutes prior to training.
We recommend that Surge Recovery be consumed following training.
If you have any additional questions, I recommend reading The 3rd Law of Muscle thread as there have been in-depth discussions on how to best use Surge Workout Fuel there.
Just had my first workout with SURGE Workout Fuel. I had three scoops of Lemonade mixed in 30oz of water throughout my workout.
Today was a heavy pressing day. I didn’t really notice any marked difference in performance on my ME exercise, but I PRed on my accessory lift. I did close grip (18 inch) inclines and I hit 225 for 3 sets of 12. Last week I did 225 for 12,8,6.
This is a big improvement. Work capacity was definitely up. I had a lot in the tank when I left the gym. I know it could be placebo, but we shall see.
[quote]JK44 wrote:
I just got some yesterday.
Now why doesn’t it tell you how much to take.
Is it 1 scoop b/f you train, 1 during and 1 after?
How are you supposed to know?
Also, if you are supposed to sip on this for a while after you train then when are you now supposed to drink the original Surge?
very confusing[/quote]
Well, it does put it in terms of volume to drink, after having said how concentrated to make it.
So the label on mine reads, Use one level scoop per 10 oz of cold water.
It then says to drink 20 ounces worth per hour of training.
So that uses 2 scoops.
It also says to use for 15 minutes prior to training. That is a quarter hour, so it is 5 ounces worth and that 5 ounces needs half a scoop.
Lastly it says to use for up to half an hour after training. At the 20 oz/hour rate, that is 10 ounces worth, or 1 scoop.
I believe it is written this way because the simplest thing is to give an athlete a bottle (with markings on it) with the correct total amount in it and have them drink it by volume.
However from the standpoint of someone thinking in terms of scoops, it is a harder way to explain it, I guess, than saying it directly in terms of number of scoops.
Had 2 scoops, starting 20 minutes before my workout yesterday. Workout was 50-55 minutes. Well, first of all, I screwed up and put 87kg (191.4 lbs) on the barbell for bench press as opposed to 82kg, as was planned. I was nervous about the 82 kg as it was, but I actually did 87 for 5-5-4-4-3, I believe, which felt great! I was real happy about that.
Then, it was on to deadlifts. I’m working my way up to 5x5 with 297 lbs, and in the previous 2 workouts, I felt drained after every set and it took me ages to recuperate (up to 2 minutes). This time, my breaks were only 60-90 seconds, and I also managed to add a rep. All in all, I’m really psyched about how the 5x5 portion of my workout turned out.
The 4x10’s were less spectacular, though. I saw improvements from last time, but can’t say they were as marked. Don’t know if it was just because I’d exhausted myself in the first 15 sets of the workout, or because I ran out of Surge Workout Fuel by the last 10 minutes… But I was absolutely wiped for the last 2 sets of 4x10 rear lunges.
It’s too early to say if this really is the ground-breaking supplement it’s meant to be, but there certainly is an effect. I’ll report back after more testing.
I’m in about my 5th week now of regular use of SWF. I agree that there may have been a placebo effect of about two weeks, because I swear I felt no soreness at all in the first 2 weeks. I’ve felt a little soreness this week, but just started the Shotgun Method, and the 8x3 might just be that much more intense. Still, after 5 weeks, I’m willing to say I wouldn’t want to be without it.
I dropped Biotest’s BCAAs from my purchasing plans with this, not because of the above-mentioned comment on BCAAs “competing” with each other, but for financial reasons.
I’ve been using it since Christmas. I went home weighing 180 on December 18. On January 4, 2009 I weighed 194, with some fat gain (no restrictions on eating over break, just making sure I got protein in at 2g/lb of BW). I have definitely been able to push myself harder through lower-body training, and the only training day of the week where I have noticed a difference in the training session.
Since I have gotten back to school on January 12th, (and started walking much more to get from class to class, work, internship, etc …)I have been consistently weighing in between 188 and 190.
I intern with the strength and conditioning dept here and got my bodyfat tested with calipers before break and once I got back and I have not changed significantly.
It should be noted that I just transitioned from a more strength focused phase to a higher volume hypertrophy phase. Either way, I’m feeling and looking a lot better than I did before starting to use Surge Workout Fuel.
I have a question though which I haven’t seen answered (my apologies if my research was inadequate): Is it still beneficial to supplement with Beta-7 while using Surge Workout Fuel? I got a bottle for christmas and was wondering if I should save it for sometime when I cannot afford Surge Workout Fuel.
[quote]ignignokt wrote:
I’m on my third tub and unfortunately I’m not experiencing the same amazing results that some of you have claimed.
I have a little more energy towards the end of my workout but nothing spectacular. I experience the same burn and soreness that I did before using it.
Clearly it is working for some people though so you probably need to try it for yourself to make up your own mind.[/quote]
How are you using it?
It might be helpful to see the difference between how you use it compared to those of us that wouldn’t want to train without Surge workout Fuel at this point.
I don’t have a bottle in front of me, but I believe there’s a bit of leeway in the recommended use.
Effects can also probably be influenced by your diet, in particular what you eat prior to training, and your training itself.
For example, eating low-carb and training for 90 minutes at a time might cause a very different effect than someone eating 50% of their calories from carbs and training for 45 minutes per session.