OK, I am starting a new thread for a couple reasons.
This is getting away from supplements and I am not interested in that topic… not so hidden agenda.
Come check out the new one and include your pictures. Push, where the hell are you with update of Blue Eyes?
Link coming:
[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:
Your joking, right![/quote]
do you see me laughing?
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[quote]Vegita wrote:
I thought this would be appropriate for this thread, I caught this little terrorist in my kitchen. He was trying to get at some steak I had cut up for steak sandwiches. The look of guilt.
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how can you deny. that pup, some beefy goodness. how old is he?[/quote]
Just over a year. I give him raw scraps when I do some trimming like when I do my beef jerkey and whatnot, I tend to not give him anything that people in the house consume. I hate when a dog stands there and begs for food, mine know they get thier dogfood and they sit by me while making beef jerkey, but they don’t sit and stare when we are eating.
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[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:
German, post pics of your rednose!!!
Maybe we should start a new pet thread, the old one died a while ago.[/quote]
I started a new World Of Dogs thread… you will find all my dog pics in there.
Here is one pic.
Some of these dogs weigh more than me…
Long story.
didnt have time to read the whole thread so i dont know if anyone mentioned this but i have a friend with three bullies and he gives them B12 shots and some other syrup like shit with their food from the feed store. The dogs are masssive.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
5. I answered your question earlier. Unless your dog is under stress or being treated for a specific condition (hip dysplasia for instance; there are supplements available that MAY ease his pain - I have a scientist working on a formulation now), supplement are of limited value over a 12 year life span. Dogs under stress (sick, competing in a an athletic endeavor), yes, supplement. The average pet, feed him a good commercial feed, exercise him, keep him lean, and you’ll be just fine.
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BodyGuard, is there anything you would recommend for a dog that gets easily overheated hunting in warm weather? I’ve had the situation where I gave her all the water she would drink, but eventually she didn’t want to drink. Then I got her to a cool spot, where she continued to pant fast and shallow for hours. This is the worst situation I’ve had, but she always overheats quickly in warm weather, which we get a lot of in SoCal.
Another question. Fish oil for dogs – beneficial?
Around these parts, it not uncommon to see piggers to have their hunting dogs on steroids. The funny thing is, the pitbulls and other typical pigging breeds on steroids didn’t catch my attention. What did was a blue dane cross that the owner had run on a few cycles. This dog was so physically imposing, yet so lean at the same time. Striations and veins everywhere. It was crazy. Lovely dog though, I couldn’t see it being a pig dog because it was so huge and friendly.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Like I mentioned earlier, I feed my dog Blue Wilderness (chicken) and it has 42% protein. Can you explain why that’s too high and what percentage is more acceptable. Blue Wilderness also makes a duck formula and I believe that has 34% protein. I would hate to switch her food since I just recently changed it and also because she seems to like it better than any food I’ve given her before.
Also is one form of meat better than another - chicken better than duck? or does it not really matter.
And I usually give my dog raw eggs, pieces of banana, broccoli, and walnuts. are any of these things bad for dogs?
If you had a wolf hybrid or a bred recently bred out from wolves (sarlooswolfhund , Czechslovakian wolfdog etc), then yeah the best thing to feed it would be raw or near raw meat.
With true dogs though, that gets a little blurred…
[quote]ready wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Like I mentioned earlier, I feed my dog Blue Wilderness (chicken) and it has 42% protein. Can you explain why that’s too high and what percentage is more acceptable. Blue Wilderness also makes a duck formula and I believe that has 34% protein. I would hate to switch her food since I just recently changed it and also because she seems to like it better than any food I’ve given her before.
Also is one form of meat better than another - chicken better than duck? or does it not really matter.
And I usually give my dog raw eggs, pieces of banana, broccoli, and walnuts. are any of these things bad for dogs?
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First, dogs are actually classified as omnivores, unlike your common house cat who is absolutely a carnivore. Next, there is disagreement among experts as to what is “too high”, but we know dogs can assimilate high levels of protein. However, as I’ve said earlier, most prey animals in the wild are at around 20% protein and that protein comes with moisture (blood, fat) to aid digestion and the kidneys. And if your dog is pretty much sedentary like most pets, what do you need all that protein for? Compare that content to what mushers feed their dogs and you’re still high and I cannot think of a more demanding vocation for a dog than mushing. The mushers are around 30 protein / 40 fat. So ask yourself, why in the world would a sedentary pet need a 40% protein feed? I’ve also seen the higher protein feeds out there now make it difficult to keep weight on a dog.
Actually, I just looked at the Blue Wilderness and for the chicken formual, you’re 34% protein and 15% fat. That’s not terribly high by any means but you do know that if your dog is not a very active dog, you’re wasting that protein. Just for perspective, look at the following table:
Species Protein % Fat %
Antelope 22.5 .9
Beef USDA choice 22.0 6.5
Beef USDA standard 22.7 2.0
Buffalo 21.7 1.9
Chicken 23.6 .7
Deer (Mule) 23.7 1.3
Deer (Whitetail) 23.6 1.4
Duck (Domestic) 19.9 4.25
Duck (Mallard) 23.1 2.0
Elk 22.8 .9 67 137
Pig (Domestic Pork) 22.3 4.9
Pig (Wild Boar) ** 28.3 4.38
Rabbit (Cottontail) 21.8 2.4
Rabbit (Jack) 21.9 2.4
Squirrel 21.4 3.2
Turkey (Domestic) 23.5 1.5
Turkey (Wild) 25.7 1.1
Even for a growing puppy, bitch’s milk is only 7.53% protein and 9.47% fat. Anyay, if your dog is thriving on the feed, then you have no problems. You just might be paying more than necessary to feed a sedentary dog pet. For the canine athlete, I like ratios closer to what the mushers are doing.
And actually, on your Blue Wilderness feed, once you do the dry matter conversion (allowing for the 10% moisture content), your true protein / fat value is about 38% / 17%.
