[quote]Kerley wrote:
you should see how badass i look when i swagga with this beastie![/quote]
Dude you dog is begging for a spiked collar! do it!! lol
I feel bad for that dog, I can’t imagine how many times he’s had to sit and watch you fap.[/quote]
probably twice a week at least seen as she sleeps at the bottom of my bed.[/quote]
Lol… I bet your mom is wondering why you always steal all the peanut butter and sleep with the dog every night. Hey I guess he’s your dog, do with him what you will but I’m against it Kerley…[/quote]
you know now that you have a pitbull all you need is a mustache and your a stereotype.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Well, you know everything sooooo… LOL @ that. LOL at your buddy breeding “bully pits” and them being from staffs and apbts. If that were the case, they’d simply be pitbulls. But you know everything. And for the record, a real pitbull is badass b/c he can do ANYTHING, including outpulling pound for pound your bullypits. I hunt with my pitbulls. I bullypit would stroke out after 20 minutes - either that or lay down. So don’t assume what I meant when I said “bullypit and badass don’t belong in the same sentence”. Dude, at the end of the day, I don’t care. Enjoy your dog. Feed him what you want. Who cares?
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I know everything now? WTF is up with this site, you can’t even have a healthy discussion or debate with people anymore without them getting touchy and bringing up all their qualifications as subject matter experts. They should call this place estrogen nation, thats what my gf does, except I hit her when she gets on my nerves…
Okay okay I don’t hit her, but I do SHAKE the living shit outta her!!
Like I said, I agree they don’t look like pitbulls and according to the AKC cross breeding the 2 terriers is still considered a pitbull. I’m telling you what my buddy told me and when I didn’t believe him I google “history of American Bully” and all the websites referenced the American Bullies as being such. I’m on the mind set that if I don’t believe something I ask and research, if I can’t find anything to the contrary then I accept it as true til someone proves me wrong. I’d love for you to prove me wrong so people stop looking at me crazy when I tell them the 100 lb monstrous dog i’m walking is a APBT and Staff mix. I’d actually prefer to say he has some mastiff, or bulldog, or fkn Spartan blood in him. Just haven’t found anything that proves it. And arguing that your pitbull can “pound for pound” pull more then a bully is like a 120lb guy telling a 200lb guy that pound for pound he’s stronger. It is very much true, but ask the 200 lb guy if he gives a shit? Chances are he wont, because he’s still overall stronger.
Bullies are to pits what bodybuilders are too men. Much bigger, slower, less stamina, but strong and big as all hell.[/quote]
Well, dog breeders are famous for making spurious claims about the breeding or origins of their dogs. But know this; the apbt and the staff are one in the same. One went strictly performance, the other show. Neither dog regularly gets in the heavyweight range. And neither strain shows the head, bone or anything else a bullpit shows. Your bullypits were almost certainly at one point crossed with mastiff or bulldog.
Correct, if you were to cross an abpt with a staff, it would still be a pitbull. As I’ve said, they share a common lineage, until one was recognized by the AKC and became a show dog. There were many fighting staffs prior to this time, and some survived after. They are identical dogs. And although we have seen larger purebred specimens of pitbull, none show the physical characteristics of a bullpit.
As for evidence; would you request that I show you evidence that two black parents were not the parents of a white child (not albino)? Short of a DNA test, the evidence is right before your very eyes. We weren’t there when the first bullypit was made, but we know neither the staff nor the abpt show any of those traits. Even larger pitbulls, look just like larger pitbulls, not bullypits. They certainly had an infusion of another breed someone, whether it be mastiff or bulldog.
Using American Bully websites as your authoratative source for the origins of the bullpit is not a good place to start. It’s marketing pixie dust. They sell these dogs, that do absolutely nothing but be “big”, for lots of money. There is marketing at work there Andrew. One need look no further than the one link you posted that had the big bold message that their dogs are not sold for illegal purposes.
It’s to appeal to the wrong kind of owner, because believe me, no one is fighting bullypits. Mike Vick didn’t get caught with a yard full of bullypits. So the cautionary claim of the website is a bit of reverse marketing in and of itself. They are appealing to the machismo element that these dogs invariably attract - I’m not accusing you of falling into that group, I don’t know you.
All that I know of dogs, which is considerable, has lead me to this irrefutable conclusion. The best dogs have a vocation. And breeding specimens are bred according to their ability to do that vocation. A vocation more often than not requires a dog to work along side man, and under some stress. The ability to perform a vocation, alongside man, under stress, produces superior animals with superior temperments.
Breeding a dog because of its color or physical traits is irrefutably the worst reason in the world to breed an animal. And lastly, you cannot know a dog’s true temperment unless it’s been stressed…lest we wouldn’t have the legions of “but he never did that ever before” dog bite reports that are so common.
The above about sums up my objections to the late popularity of the “bullpit” and other such breeds. As for having a decent discussion, your original question was answered numerous times about feed, but you seemed to have your mind made up otherwise, retorting with references to wolves, which frankly, is raw feed 101.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Thanks for schooling me. I’ve only been breeding pitbulls for 15 years. I was a former contributing author to the American Game Dog Times. I’m currently involved with a fledgling canine magazine and supplement company. I’ve also owned and hunted with those dogo argentino’s for 12 years that you liked so much. But thanks I’ll check in with the Discovery channel ASAP.
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Dude don’t get your panties in a bunch. I don’t care how long you’ve been breeding pitbulls, you asked why my dog and a wolf had in common and I told you. Did you want to argue that wolves and dogs have nothing in common, or merely state that because of your experience everything you say is unrefutable. Dogs have nearly identical DNA to wolves, your level of experience with pitbulls does not change that.[/quote]
And humans have something like greater than 99% of their DNA in common with chimps. Lots of similarities on a very basic level, lots of differences on a day-to-day basis
[quote]Kerley wrote:
you should see how badass i look when i swagga with this beastie![/quote]
Dude you dog is begging for a spiked collar! do it!! lol
I feel bad for that dog, I can’t imagine how many times he’s had to sit and watch you fap.[/quote]
probably twice a week at least seen as she sleeps at the bottom of my bed.[/quote]
Lol… I bet your mom is wondering why you always steal all the peanut butter and sleep with the dog every night. Hey I guess he’s your dog, do with him what you will but I’m against it Kerley…[/quote]
you know now that you have a pitbull all you need is a mustache and your a stereotype. [/quote]
The pictures in my profile are extremely old, I could very well have a mustache now and be deeply offended by this comment!!!
[quote]Kerley wrote:
you should see how badass i look when i swagga with this beastie![/quote]
Dude you dog is begging for a spiked collar! do it!! lol
I feel bad for that dog, I can’t imagine how many times he’s had to sit and watch you fap.[/quote]
probably twice a week at least seen as she sleeps at the bottom of my bed.[/quote]
Lol… I bet your mom is wondering why you always steal all the peanut butter and sleep with the dog every night. Hey I guess he’s your dog, do with him what you will but I’m against it Kerley…[/quote]
you know now that you have a pitbull all you need is a mustache and your a stereotype. [/quote]
The pictures in my profile are extremely old, I could very well have a mustache now and be deeply offended by this comment!!!
Okay not really… But I do have a goatie dammit!![/quote]
Well, dog breeders are famous for making spurious claims about the breeding or origins of their dogs. But know this; the apbt and the staff are one in the same. One went strictly performance, the other show. Neither dog regularly gets in the heavyweight range.
And neither strain shows the head, bone or anything else a bullpit shows. Your bullypits were almost certainly at one point crossed with mastiff or bulldog.[/quote] I am aware of the difference or lack there of between the 2 breeds, which is why I did not believe they didn’t have some other type of mix in them from the get go, but as I said I don’t care if they are full pit or not.
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Correct, if you were to cross an abpt with a staff, it would still be a pitbull. As I’ve said, they share a common lineage, until one was recognized by the AKC and became a show dog. There were many fighting staffs prior to this time, and some survived after.
They are identical dogs. And although we have seen larger purebred specimens of pitbull, none show the physical characteristics of a bullpit.[/quote]
The physical and tempermental characteristics are what make this dog unique and why I like them. Pits are a bit too hyper for me. Thats part of the reason I wanted a American Mastiff and never got my dogo as I wanted.
I work long days and need a dog who is okay with an hour of exercise a day and not bouncing off the fkn walls. Pits, dojos, ect… have too much energy and jump on furniture and what not. Bullies, Mastiffs are more calm and collected by nature.
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As for evidence; would you request that I show you evidence that two black parents were not the parents of a white child (not albino)? Short of a DNA test, the evidence is right before your very eyes. We weren’t there when the first bullypit was made, but we know neither the staff nor the abpt show any of those traits.
Even larger pitbulls, look just like larger pitbulls, not bullypits. They certainly had an infusion of another breed someone, whether it be mastiff or bulldog.[/quote]
Dogs come in different shapes and sizes, and by breeding the largest of the large and continuing to do so could theoretically breed a much larger dog over time.
Imagine if football players only hooked up with female basketball players and only their talles and biggest children were allowed to mate, overtime ther’d be some monstrous people being born to these families. I’m not saying thats what happened, or thats what I believed happened, I’m just saying it’s possible.
I said I googled “history of American Bully”, I didn’t say I went to bully websites to find the origin. On the contrary I was trying to find a third parties opinion.
Seems like Bully owners are saying they are 100% pit, APBT owners are saying those monsters are muts and don’t deserve to be called pits, I am content in my ignorance and know nobody may ever really know for sure how these dogs were bread except for the breeders, but I don’t care.
I don’t want to fight my dog and I don’t need a dog that is bread for fighting. Like I said and as you seem to agree, bullies make crappy fighting dogs, hence the reason I want one. Fighting dogs have traits as I stated earlier that I do not want. (hyperactive)
There are worst reasons to breed dogs then for physical traits which people have done for thousands of years. Pits were bred with bulldogs so they can have a high tolerance for pain, they were bred with aggressive dogs so that they would be willing fighters. Are these better reasons to cross breed dogs in your opinion??
People have always objected to “new breeds” of dogs. The best breeds in existance were cross bred to get where they are today. Yet when people try to cross breed now they are called backyard breeders or junkyard breeders. Many of the old school dog breeders were backyard breeders who expirimented, started over, and experimented again to get the desired traits they wanted.
My original question was how much fish oil do people give there dogs and how old do they start giving them fish oil. THis was never answered rather met with a bit of hostility which is why I began to back up my beliefs on why giving dogs supplements might be a good idea.
Well, dog breeders are famous for making spurious claims about the breeding or origins of their dogs. But know this; the apbt and the staff are one in the same. One went strictly performance, the other show. Neither dog regularly gets in the heavyweight range.
And neither strain shows the head, bone or anything else a bullpit shows. Your bullypits were almost certainly at one point crossed with mastiff or bulldog.[/quote] I am aware of the difference or lack there of between the 2 breeds, which is why I did not believe they didn’t have some other type of mix in them from the get go, but as I said I don’t care if they are full pit or not.
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Correct, if you were to cross an abpt with a staff, it would still be a pitbull. As I’ve said, they share a common lineage, until one was recognized by the AKC and became a show dog. There were many fighting staffs prior to this time, and some survived after.
They are identical dogs. And although we have seen larger purebred specimens of pitbull, none show the physical characteristics of a bullpit.[/quote]
The physical and tempermental characteristics are what make this dog unique and why I like them. Pits are a bit too hyper for me. Thats part of the reason I wanted a American Mastiff and never got my dogo as I wanted.
I work long days and need a dog who is okay with an hour of exercise a day and not bouncing off the fkn walls. Pits, dojos, ect… have too much energy and jump on furniture and what not. Bullies, Mastiffs are more calm and collected by nature.
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As for evidence; would you request that I show you evidence that two black parents were not the parents of a white child (not albino)? Short of a DNA test, the evidence is right before your very eyes. We weren’t there when the first bullypit was made, but we know neither the staff nor the abpt show any of those traits.
Even larger pitbulls, look just like larger pitbulls, not bullypits. They certainly had an infusion of another breed someone, whether it be mastiff or bulldog.[/quote]
Dogs come in different shapes and sizes, and by breeding the largest of the large and continuing to do so could theoretically breed a much larger dog over time.
Imagine if football players only hooked up with female basketball players and only their talles and biggest children were allowed to mate, overtime ther’d be some monstrous people being born to these families. I’m not saying thats what happened, or thats what I believed happened, I’m just saying it’s possible.
I said I googled “history of American Bully”, I didn’t say I went to bully websites to find the origin. On the contrary I was trying to find a third parties opinion.
Seems like Bully owners are saying they are 100% pit, APBT owners are saying those monsters are muts and don’t deserve to be called pits, I am content in my ignorance and know nobody may ever really know for sure how these dogs were bread except for the breeders, but I don’t care.
I don’t want to fight my dog and I don’t need a dog that is bread for fighting. Like I said and as you seem to agree, bullies make crappy fighting dogs, hence the reason I want one. Fighting dogs have traits as I stated earlier that I do not want. (hyperactive)
There are worst reasons to breed dogs then for physical traits which people have done for thousands of years. Pits were bred with bulldogs so they can have a high tolerance for pain, they were bred with aggressive dogs so that they would be willing fighters. Are these better reasons to cross breed dogs in your opinion??
People have always objected to “new breeds” of dogs. The best breeds in existance were cross bred to get where they are today. Yet when people try to cross breed now they are called backyard breeders or junkyard breeders. Many of the old school dog breeders were backyard breeders who expirimented, started over, and experimented again to get the desired traits they wanted.
My original question was how much fish oil do people give there dogs and how old do they start giving them fish oil. THis was never answered rather met with a bit of hostility which is why I began to back up my beliefs on why giving dogs supplements might be a good idea.[/quote]
Honestly, the more you write, the more you prove the less you know about dogs. I don’t feel like exhaustively debating with you about your limited understanding of dogs. Neither pits nor dogs as a breed are “hyper”. Maybe the one’s you met. But by no means are either “hyper” as a breed. I also own and hunt with patterdale terriers. They could fairly be characterized, along with other terrier breeds, as “hyper”.
You could breed the largest of the large apbts and no, you could not get the characteristics of the bullypit. I have said this already. The don’t carry many of the traits of the bullypit. I assure you, the bullypit is a mixed breed. I have owned larger pitbulls in the 70lb range, they look no different than their 40lb counterparts. I know a breeder or two personally with breeding programs for larger apbt - and they look nothing, ever, like bullypits.
Fighting dogs are neither aggressive (to humans) or “hyper” as you put it. This is a patent fallacy. And we were not discussing fighting dogs. But as long as you put that out there, the simple fact is that fighting dogs are some of the calmest gentlest dogs around people. On the other hand, you will still need to socialize your bullypit around other dogs, with varying success and you have no guarantees of it’s temperment toward humans. You could literally walk up to a chain space or kennel and steal a fighting dog; I doubt that very much with a bullypit.
There is no better reason to cross dogs than for utility, no matter what the utility. As terrible as the vocation of fighting is, it produced one of the finest breeds to ever look thru a collar. Pitbulls are versatile and as I said earlier, can do anything. I use them to hunt as catch dogs for wild boar. I have owned over 50 pitbulls in my time and I have never owned a dog that would bite a human…ever.
Hate the deed, not the breed as the saying goes. But without that deed, we wouldn’t have the wonderful breed, and your bullyshit breeders wouldn’t have had a breed to cross those mastiffs or bulldogs with so that they could charge the gullible $1500 or more for a pup that does nothing except wear a spiked collar.
If you think he can do more than that, I’d challenge you to raise your dog on creatine and raw meat, throw supplements at him left and right and train him to be a weight pull dog.
And then I’ll grab one of my 40lb pitbulls off the chain,one that looks thru a normal nylon collar (not a spiked one lol), one that would never bite you or anyone,and I’ll put a few months of weight pull training in and we will outpull you pound for pound. In other words, ANYTHING you can think of to do with that dog, we can do better
And by the way, that picture you posted is disgusting. You talk about responsible ownership - so exactly what kind of message does the spiked collar nonsense send and exactly what kind of owner does that appeal to? The apbt is the finest canine athlete in the world…if the bullypit is indeed the “bodybuilder” of the canine world as you put it, he’s surely the couch potato as well.
The more I talk to you the more I realize how full of shit you are man. First you make the arguement that my statement about apbt being more hyper then bullies is bullshit, then at the end of your post you accuse bullies of being couch potatoes. Either apbt are more hyper then bullies or they’re not. You seem to agree that Bullies are lazier dogs which I stated is perfect for me.
Then you use your strawmen to make your arguement. I never stated that apbt are more prone to biting people so I don’t know wtf you’re talking with the punish the deed not the breed.
Your statement that apbt are the best dogs to look thru a collar is laughable and at that I’m done arguing with you.
Its obvious that to you pitbulls are the end all be all in the dog world. There’s dogs that I love and dogs that I don’t care for at all. I personally can’t stand chihuahuas but if someone posted a thread about their new chihuahua I wouldn’t go in there exclaiming that dogos are the best dog and chihuahuas are garbage. I don’t give a shit about your opinions on bullies.
You obviously are against bullies and came here with an agenda and I enabled you to spout your bullshit by arguing with you, which I’m done doing.
Lmao @ pitbulls are the best at EVERYTHING. Why bother having other breeds, we should all own pits.
According to discovery channel lastnight an obedient dog lives longer, a hyper aggressive dog does not live as long. It always goes back to nature and what it’s role in the pack is. It never mentioned diet…food for thought.
[quote]Kerley wrote:
you should see how badass i look when i swagga with this beastie![/quote]
Dude you dog is begging for a spiked collar! do it!! lol
I feel bad for that dog, I can’t imagine how many times he’s had to sit and watch you fap.[/quote]
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I don’t feel like exhaustively debating with you [/quote]
Really??
I am only scanning the damn books the two of you are writing so maybe ya’lls expretise has got oversighted.
Anyways, like I said I has a red nose pit bull. It was as much of pitbull as you can get.
My thinking of the breakdowns are:
English Bulldogs = bullies
Pit Bulls or APBT
Stafford Terrior possibly APBT too
Dogo
Mastiff
I could be comepletely wrong but this is how I looked at it. I have never heard a bully used for anything ofhter than english/british bulldogs.
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There are breeders (Razors edge, gottiline, ect…) that have been breeding “larger pitbulls” for years now. They have claimed their pits are 100% pit and that they have been taking the biggest pits they can find and bred them to create their pits. They could be and are possibly just saying this as a lie so that their dogs don’t lose value among the pit community, but they already have. Other breeders have begun breeding “bullies” and do so by crossing pits with bulldogs and mastiffs carelessly and the results aren’t good. I’ve seen pictures of some “bullies” that don’t come from the more popular breeders and they look like mutants and can barely walk. The popular bloodlines are trying to push to get their pits recognized as a new breed and to get AKC recognition as a new breed. However doing so is difficult with all the half ass breeding that is going on, so they have a lot of cleaning up to do and are trying to limit other breeders from carelessly breeding pits with different dogs to get the “bully look”. Hardcore pitbull breeders believe pits are the greatest dogs in the world and don’t believe pits should be cross bred, so if you go to pit forums you will see a lot of arguing back and forth regarding bullies and there place in the pit world. For casual dog people like me and others, we don’t give a shit about which dog is better. We like what we like.
Bullies are MUCH more expensive tho, they sell between 1 and 2 grand, which is a hell of a lot of money for a dog that isn’t registered. I honestly would never pay that for a bully, I got my boy for free, some old favors paid off. =)
I’ll check in with the Discovery channel ASAP.
