Supplements for the Big Dogs

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[quote]dcb wrote:

[quote]Beast27195 wrote:

[quote]UAphenix wrote:
Clipping the ears does serve a purpose with these types of breeds. When the dogs wrestle and play, they tend to bite the ears and cause them to bleed. The point of clipping the ears is to prevent that from happening.[/quote]

With the three that I have had, that was never an issue. [/quote]

Yup, for my dog (Cane Corso) this has never been an issue as well. He has had a few playmates that he plays pretty rough with and I’ve seen the other dogs grab his ears but they’ve never bled. Really, if your dogs ears are getting ripped off, it’s gone way past the point of playing with another dog and you as an owner shouldn’t let that happen.

This notion that you should have the ears clipped to prevent that is absurd. My wife is having a baby in a couple of weeks, should I ask the doctor to remove the appendix because it may need to come out later in life? How about just going ahead and taking out the tonsils as well!

I’ve got absolutely no problem with somebody having their dogs ears clipped if it’s what you want for your dog. I’ve got close friends and family members who have gone this route and it doesn’t make me think they’re bad dog owners for a second. However, just admit that it’s a purely cosmetic surgery done 100% for the owner. In other words, own up to the reason you’re having it done.

Back to the point of the thread: I like Holistic Select for large and giant breeds. I also give him 2 eggs along with his breakfast and I always add fish oil to his dinner.

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Exactly, judging by andrews desire to look “badass” because of an animal he is walking with. I would say you hit the nail on the head. Andrew just FYI the dog would look like a badass because the dog IS a badass, you however, would not magically become a badass by walking one, I suggest squats and milk for that.

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[quote]dcb wrote:

[quote]Beast27195 wrote:

[quote]UAphenix wrote:
Clipping the ears does serve a purpose with these types of breeds. When the dogs wrestle and play, they tend to bite the ears and cause them to bleed. The point of clipping the ears is to prevent that from happening.[/quote]

With the three that I have had, that was never an issue. [/quote]

Yup, for my dog (Cane Corso) this has never been an issue as well. He has had a few playmates that he plays pretty rough with and I’ve seen the other dogs grab his ears but they’ve never bled. Really, if your dogs ears are getting ripped off, it’s gone way past the point of playing with another dog and you as an owner shouldn’t let that happen.

This notion that you should have the ears clipped to prevent that is absurd. My wife is having a baby in a couple of weeks, should I ask the doctor to remove the appendix because it may need to come out later in life? How about just going ahead and taking out the tonsils as well!

I’ve got absolutely no problem with somebody having their dogs ears clipped if it’s what you want for your dog. I’ve got close friends and family members who have gone this route and it doesn’t make me think they’re bad dog owners for a second. However, just admit that it’s a purely cosmetic surgery done 100% for the owner. In other words, own up to the reason you’re having it done.

Back to the point of the thread: I like Holistic Select for large and giant breeds. I also give him 2 eggs along with his breakfast and I always add fish oil to his dinner.

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Do you have a pic of your Cane Corso? I think I would have to name him Coach ala Coach Corso…probably have to be a fan of football to appreciate that.

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I thought this would be appropriate for this thread, I caught this little terrorist in my kitchen. He was trying to get at some steak I had cut up for steak sandwiches. The look of guilt.

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[quote]Vegita wrote:

Exactly, judging by andrews desire to look “badass” because of an animal he is walking with. I would say you hit the nail on the head. Andrew just FYI the dog would look like a badass because the dog IS a badass, you however, would not magically become a badass by walking one, I suggest squats and milk for that.

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Why do people keep quoting me on saying how badass or cool I would look with that dog by my side?? I said that in a friendly joking back and forth posting between Kerley and I. I also said my forearms will grow from having this dog. That also was a joke people.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Thanks for schooling me. I’ve only been breeding pitbulls for 15 years. I was a former contributing author to the American Game Dog Times. I’m currently involved with a fledgling canine magazine and supplement company. I’ve also owned and hunted with those dogo argentino’s for 12 years that you liked so much. But thanks :slight_smile: I’ll check in with the Discovery channel ASAP.
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Dude don’t get your panties in a bunch. I don’t care how long you’ve been breeding pitbulls, you asked why my dog and a wolf had in common and I told you. Did you want to argue that wolves and dogs have nothing in common, or merely state that because of your experience everything you say is unrefutable. Dogs have nearly identical DNA to wolves, your level of experience with pitbulls does not change that.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

This is untrue. It’s done solely for asthetic purposes. There is no purpose to it whatsoever. In fact, it leads to many more ear infections. I breed pitbulls by the way. Please do not refer to these “bully pits” as pitbulls. They are not. When dogs wrestle and play, they tend to bite anywhere - legs too. Should we remove the legs? The side of the face[/quote]
Who referred to these as pits?? They are obviously different then an APBT and I don’t think anyone here was arguing that they are the same dog.

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

Because unless your dog is under stress (sick or preparing for some sort of athletic event) given his life span, no supplement is likely to make any difference in his life span or quality of life. A decent feed will do him just fine. But no amoung of common sense will convince someone that is enamored with a dog’s size and muscles. You will of course want to give him creatine and all that other stuff. And at the end of the day, it won’t make a damn difference.
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I was using facts in my arguement. Please list facts if you disagree. Fact: dogs used to be almost 100% carnivorous.

Fact: Dog food only has a small percentage of protein and creatine

Fact: Dog food contains a lot of veggies.

Fact: Dogs don’t eat veggies on a regular basis in the wild

Fact: Dogs probably aren’t getting proper nutrition from standard dog food.

My question: Doesn’t it make sense to supplement them for what they are not getting.

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[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:

[quote]Vegita wrote:

Exactly, judging by andrews desire to look “badass” because of an animal he is walking with. I would say you hit the nail on the head. Andrew just FYI the dog would look like a badass because the dog IS a badass, you however, would not magically become a badass by walking one, I suggest squats and milk for that.

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Why do people keep quoting me on saying how badass or cool I would look with that dog by my side?? I said that in a friendly joking back and forth posting between Kerley and I. I also said my forearms will grow from having this dog. That also was a joke people.[/quote]

Becaue there are those of us who have a deep respect for dogs, people who portray the brotardish “I’m awsome because I have an awsome dog” are everything that is wrong with dog owners. It’s why dogs are aggressive towards humans it’s why dogs are fought for sport. It’s the same assholes who think thier watch or thier car make them a badass." We didn’t get the hint that you were just playing around, and in that case anyone who respects dogs naturally would call you out on it. If you really were just messing around, cool, I don’t think anyone is geting overly worked up about this. We just don’t like brotards around here and for a second there you came off like one. No harm no foul though. But don’t get your dogs ears clipped because you think you are protecting him, thats just not fair, keep your dog out of danger to protect him.

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[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

This is untrue. It’s done solely for asthetic purposes. There is no purpose to it whatsoever. In fact, it leads to many more ear infections. I breed pitbulls by the way. Please do not refer to these “bully pits” as pitbulls. They are not. When dogs wrestle and play, they tend to bite anywhere - legs too. Should we remove the legs? The side of the face[/quote]
Who referred to these as pits?? They are obviously different then an APBT and I don’t think anyone here was arguing that they are the same dog.

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

Because unless your dog is under stress (sick or preparing for some sort of athletic event) given his life span, no supplement is likely to make any difference in his life span or quality of life. A decent feed will do him just fine. But no amoung of common sense will convince someone that is enamored with a dog’s size and muscles. You will of course want to give him creatine and all that other stuff. And at the end of the day, it won’t make a damn difference.
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I was using facts in my arguement. Please list facts if you disagree. Fact: dogs used to be almost 100% carnivorous.

Fact: Dog food only has a small percentage of protein and creatine

Fact: Dog food contains a lot of veggies.

Fact: Dogs don’t eat veggies on a regular basis in the wild

Fact: Dogs probably aren’t getting proper nutrition from standard dog food.

My question: Doesn’t it make sense to supplement them for what they are not getting.

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Those facts are not really facts, many of the high quality grain free dogfoods have 40-60% protein. Now those numbers may apply to a lot of “grocery store” dogfood brands, but if you read through the site I posted, there are plenty of choices for really good quality dogfoods. Also wolves eat plenty of non meat in thier diets. Apples, berries, grasses etc…

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[quote]Vegita wrote:
Becaue there are those of us who have a deep respect for dogs, people who portray the brotardish “I’m awsome because I have an awsome dog” are everything that is wrong with dog owners. It’s why dogs are aggressive towards humans it’s why dogs are fought for sport. It’s the same assholes who think thier watch or thier car make them a badass." We didn’t get the hint that you were just playing around, and in that case anyone who respects dogs naturally would call you out on it. If you really were just messing around, cool, I don’t think anyone is geting overly worked up about this. We just don’t like brotards around here and for a second there you came off like one. No harm no foul though. But don’t get your dogs ears clipped because you think you are protecting him, thats just not fair, keep your dog out of danger to protect him.

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I specifically said that I plan to properly socialize my dog if you read my posts. I also made it clear that I had planned to give him proper exercise and the point of this thread was discussing proper nutrition. I don’t see how one post about looking badass negates my obvious appreciation for healthy dogs.

For all intensive purposes any posts you see being mad back and forth between kerley and I are almost always made in a joking manner. That applies to this thread as well as almost every thread kerley and I begin posting back and forth in, well almost all, I am dead serious kerley when I say you should’ve eaten the damn hat.

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Do you have a pic of your Cane Corso? I think I would have to name him Coach ala Coach Corso…probably have to be a fan of football to appreciate that.
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It took me a minute to “get” that name but I like it! If you posted that sometime in the Fall I would have picked it up a bit sooner.

I’m at work right now, but I’ll work on gettin a pic put up later today.

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[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]dcb wrote:

[quote]Beast27195 wrote:

[quote]UAphenix wrote:
Clipping the ears does serve a purpose with these types of breeds. When the dogs wrestle and play, they tend to bite the ears and cause them to bleed. The point of clipping the ears is to prevent that from happening.[/quote]

With the three that I have had, that was never an issue. [/quote]

Yup, for my dog (Cane Corso) this has never been an issue as well. He has had a few playmates that he plays pretty rough with and I’ve seen the other dogs grab his ears but they’ve never bled. Really, if your dogs ears are getting ripped off, it’s gone way past the point of playing with another dog and you as an owner shouldn’t let that happen.

This notion that you should have the ears clipped to prevent that is absurd. My wife is having a baby in a couple of weeks, should I ask the doctor to remove the appendix because it may need to come out later in life? How about just going ahead and taking out the tonsils as well!

I’ve got absolutely no problem with somebody having their dogs ears clipped if it’s what you want for your dog. I’ve got close friends and family members who have gone this route and it doesn’t make me think they’re bad dog owners for a second. However, just admit that it’s a purely cosmetic surgery done 100% for the owner. In other words, own up to the reason you’re having it done.

Back to the point of the thread: I like Holistic Select for large and giant breeds. I also give him 2 eggs along with his breakfast and I always add fish oil to his dinner.

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Exactly, judging by andrews desire to look “badass” because of an animal he is walking with. I would say you hit the nail on the head. Andrew just FYI the dog would look like a badass because the dog IS a badass, you however, would not magically become a badass by walking one, I suggest squats and milk for that.

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A-fucking-men. If I see another spike collar and chain as a leash, I think I’ll lose my breakfast. And bullypits and “badass” do not belong in the same sentence. A bullypit is like a Sports car with a 4 cylinder engine. All show, no go. The only “badass” is the gamebred american pitbull terrier. That’s a real “pit bull”.

And bullypit are NOT a cross between APBTs and Staffs. Neither of those strains show ANY of the bullypit characteristics and in fact, the Staff and APBT are basically the same breed, the Staff having split long ago from the ABPT as the show breed and being bred for color and head type. The only real practical standard for the apbt in terms of type is being “gameness”. You cannot cross an apbt with a staff and get “bullypits”.

As for ear cropping, some breed standards require it so pups will be routinely cropped but it serves no person. My Dogo Argentino is cropped and so far, 15 years with dogos, a bit more with pitbulls. Both dogos cropped. Over 50 pitbulls have come and gone in that span, none cropped. Ear infections: dogos, both. Pitbulls none.

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[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Thanks for schooling me. I’ve only been breeding pitbulls for 15 years. I was a former contributing author to the American Game Dog Times. I’m currently involved with a fledgling canine magazine and supplement company. I’ve also owned and hunted with those dogo argentino’s for 12 years that you liked so much. But thanks :slight_smile: I’ll check in with the Discovery channel ASAP.
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Dude don’t get your panties in a bunch. I don’t care how long you’ve been breeding pitbulls, you asked why my dog and a wolf had in common and I told you. Did you want to argue that wolves and dogs have nothing in common, or merely state that because of your experience everything you say is unrefutable. Dogs have nearly identical DNA to wolves, your level of experience with pitbulls does not change that.[/quote]

You’re missing my larger point. This is not a wolf v. domestic dog discussion. Domestic dogs have gotten by just fine by the so called inferior commercial feeds. Not one feed, not one supplement, has had an appreciable proven benefit to life span. And you’re talking to a guy that’s getting ready to sell dog supplements. Domestic dogs have survived on less than the crap feeds that are out there today with no problems. Turn the clock back 50 years or so and they were getting table scraps and other stuff. And since that time, there has been no change in dog’s life span. In fact, as our nation has gotten fatter, our dog’s have gotten fatter. The biggest threat to your dog’s and everyone’s health is his weight. Keep is weight down, exercise him, feed him reasonably, and your dog will be fine. Period. End of Story. The rest is marketing pixie dust.

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[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:

[quote]Vegita wrote:

Exactly, judging by andrews desire to look “badass” because of an animal he is walking with. I would say you hit the nail on the head. Andrew just FYI the dog would look like a badass because the dog IS a badass, you however, would not magically become a badass by walking one, I suggest squats and milk for that.

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Why do people keep quoting me on saying how badass or cool I would look with that dog by my side?? I said that in a friendly joking back and forth posting between Kerley and I. I also said my forearms will grow from having this dog. That also was a joke people.[/quote]

Becaue there are those of us who have a deep respect for dogs, people who portray the brotardish “I’m awsome because I have an awsome dog” are everything that is wrong with dog owners. It’s why dogs are aggressive towards humans it’s why dogs are fought for sport. It’s the same assholes who think thier watch or thier car make them a badass." We didn’t get the hint that you were just playing around, and in that case anyone who respects dogs naturally would call you out on it. If you really were just messing around, cool, I don’t think anyone is geting overly worked up about this. We just don’t like brotards around here and for a second there you came off like one. No harm no foul though. But don’t get your dogs ears clipped because you think you are protecting him, thats just not fair, keep your dog out of danger to protect him.

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To add, %99.9 of the pitbulls I see here are owned by young dudes in low rental housing. We call them dealer dogs lol. FTR I like pitbulls and I’m not a hater, it’s just that most of the owners around here are of the variety V described. There is also a muzzle law here after too many attacks on children.

Good luck on the new pup Andrew. I can’t get another dog for awhile and I’m very jealous :frowning:

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fed low protein as a pup til about 16 months of age. Eats a shitload of grain free commercial dog food. RAW is a great alternative, although expensive and difficult to maintain. This dog requires no supplementation nor do any of my other dogs. He has no joint hip problems nor do his mother/father. 3 yrs old 156 lbs AKC Champion.

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[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

This is untrue. It’s done solely for asthetic purposes. There is no purpose to it whatsoever. In fact, it leads to many more ear infections. I breed pitbulls by the way. Please do not refer to these “bully pits” as pitbulls. They are not. When dogs wrestle and play, they tend to bite anywhere - legs too. Should we remove the legs? The side of the face[/quote]
Who referred to these as pits?? They are obviously different then an APBT and I don’t think anyone here was arguing that they are the same dog.

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

Because unless your dog is under stress (sick or preparing for some sort of athletic event) given his life span, no supplement is likely to make any difference in his life span or quality of life. A decent feed will do him just fine. But no amoung of common sense will convince someone that is enamored with a dog’s size and muscles. You will of course want to give him creatine and all that other stuff. And at the end of the day, it won’t make a damn difference.
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I was using facts in my arguement. Please list facts if you disagree. Fact: dogs used to be almost 100% carnivorous.

Fact: Dog food only has a small percentage of protein and creatine

Fact: Dog food contains a lot of veggies.

Fact: Dogs don’t eat veggies on a regular basis in the wild

Fact: Dogs probably aren’t getting proper nutrition from standard dog food.

My question: Doesn’t it make sense to supplement them for what they are not getting.

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I’ll answer your questions.

  1. Incorrect. You can buy commercially produced feed ranging from 10% protein all the way up to 40% - which is too high by the way. Rabbits, et als, the so called “natural” food of the dog fall somewhere around 18%. And by the way, I’m riffing here, not looking up source material for exactness. The take home message - you can buy a commercially available feed with the protein/fat content you desire;

  2. Not all dog food contains “veggies”. However, when a wild carnivore makes a kill, they will eat the partially digested contents of the kills stomach and that’s where they get their “veggies” and such. Notwithstanding, they will still munch on berries and such in the wild. And although dogs metabolize protein and fats for energy, they can use carbs - just not as efficiently as fat.

No dog food literally contains “veggies” such as they are complete with their shells, fiber and such. They are processed and can easily be broken down by your dog and used for nutrition. Take home message - if you don’t want “veggies” in your dog food, don’t buy dog food with “veggies”. Sounds to me like you’re taken with the raw food movement. Well I got news for you, it’s not new, I’ve been reading and studying it for at least 10 years now, and I’m don’t feel strongly one way or another about it;

  1. Agreed. But see above;

  2. Incorrect. Most commercially available feeds are AAFCO approved. AAFCO promulgates nutritional standards much like the human alphabet counterpart. Does it mean it’s perfect? No. Does it mean a dog’s nutrtional needs are not being met? Unlikely. Again, marketing pixie dust. You’re far more likely to miss a dog’s nutrtional needs by any effort the amateur pet owners makes to feed raw - hence the supplements for the raw diet in the marketplace now.

Is commercial feed the best? No. But neither is raw. The question is, does it matter for an animal that will only live about 12 years anyway? Answer: No. Not appreciably. Most of your dog’s health problems in his tenure with you will be either genetic or weight related. Period;

  1. I answered your question earlier. Unless your dog is under stress or being treated for a specific condition (hip dysplasia for instance; there are supplements available that MAY ease his pain - I have a scientist working on a formulation now), supplement are of limited value over a 12 year life span. Dogs under stress (sick, competing in a an athletic endeavor), yes, supplement. The average pet, feed him a good commercial feed, exercise him, keep him lean, and you’ll be just fine.
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[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

Because unless your dog is under stress (sick or preparing for some sort of athletic event) given his life span, no supplement is likely to make any difference in his life span or quality of life. A decent feed will do him just fine. But no amoung of common sense will convince someone that is enamored with a dog’s size and muscles. You will of course want to give him creatine and all that other stuff. And at the end of the day, it won’t make a damn difference.
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I was using facts in my arguement. Please list facts if you disagree. Fact: dogs used to be almost 100% carnivorous.

Fact: Dog food only has a small percentage of protein and creatine

Fact: Dog food contains a lot of veggies.

Fact: Dogs don’t eat veggies on a regular basis in the wild

Fact: Dogs probably aren’t getting proper nutrition from standard dog food.

My question: Doesn’t it make sense to supplement them for what they are not getting.
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Wolves and other carnivores eat the digested stomach contents (vegetable material) in their kill. They will even eat the organs and not the muscle meat of the kill.

The coyotes around here eat berries, seeds, and other plant stuff as well as rabbits and rats.

The whole “in the wild” argument is pointless as well. Animals in the wild do not live NEARLY as long as a domesticated indoor pet. If the commercial food was so horribly deficient, how would that be? Life in the wild is tough; food can be scarce. Animals in the wild are NOT always getting all the calories or nutrients they need. I don’t know how “in the wild” has been romanticized into a nutritionally superior life. It is not.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

A-fucking-men. If I see another spike collar and chain as a leash, I think I’ll lose my breakfast. And bullypits and “badass” do not belong in the same sentence. A bullypit is like a Sports car with a 4 cylinder engine. All show, no go. The only “badass” is the gamebred american pitbull terrier. That’s a real “pit bull”.

And bullypit are NOT a cross between APBTs and Staffs. Neither of those strains show ANY of the bullypit characteristics and in fact, the Staff and APBT are basically the same breed, the Staff having split long ago from the ABPT as the show breed and being bred for color and head type. The only real practical standard for the apbt in terms of type is being “gameness”. You cannot cross an apbt with a staff and get “bullypits”.
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You can argue with how bullies are created all you want, as I stated my buddy breeds them and has over 8 himself and has sold more than I care to count. I originally believed they were crossed with bulldogs, but any information I look up points to the contrary that they were crosses between the 2 different types of terriers. If someone were to PROVE that this wasn’t true I would not argue because I agree they look nothing like either terrier.

However saying you’ll throw up if you see this or that and too many idiots raise pits and what not then stating that a bully is not as “badass” as a pit is contradictory. Either you appreciate the dog for what it is, or you try and associate the dog with somehow being badass and “a true pit”. Once again nobody here is claiming the bully is a “true pit” nor am I arguing that a bully can compete with a pits gameness, for the record so everyone knows, bullies have slow side to side movement due to their broad shoulders and don’t have the stamina of pits due to their large size.

So a fighting pit would easily kill a bully. But who gives a flying fuk, i’m not fighting my dogs nor do I respect those that do. Bullies are great pullers which I have stated that is what I plan to have him doing. I very much look forward to taking my dog to the park and pulling with him and getting our cardio together. If I hear one more pit advocate talk about true pits and how bullies arent true pits I think I’ll lose my breakfast.

Pits a mangie muts that were cross bread to create the ultimate fighting dog, because of this there is a large following for pits among the low class population for fighting dogs and they have given pits an even worse name. However I’m not low class, I couldn’t give a shit about fighting dogs, nor do I care to call my dog a pit (a name that is looked down apon by most people).

My dog is a bully, not bread for fighting nor would he make a good fighter. He will be strong and a great puller, end of story.

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

I’ll answer your questions.

  1. Not all dog food contains “veggies”. However, when a wild carnivore makes a kill, they will eat the partially digested contents of the kills stomach and that’s where they get their “veggies” and such. Notwithstanding, they will still munch on berries and such in the wild. And although dogs metabolize protein and fats for energy, they can use carbs - just not as efficiently as fat.

Is commercial feed the best? No. But neither is raw. The question is, does it matter for an animal that will only live about 12 years anyway? Answer: No. Not appreciably. Most of your dog’s health problems in his tenure with you will be either genetic or weight related. Period;
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I’m aware that dogs can metabolize veggies which is why I stated they don’t REGULARLY eat them. As in dogs will regularly hunt meat, rarely do they look for apples. Will they eat apples and whatnot on occasion, sur, no disagreement there.

To be clear I’m definitely not with the raw food movement, my arguements were that dog food may be lacking in nutrition, not that they don’t contain any. I’m not trying to move away from dog food at all, I think throwing them some raw meat every now and then doesn’t hurt but as was stated wild animals don’t tend to live as long. There are many factors that contribute to that however not just diet. Even looking at house cats, if your cat is an indoor cat he will live longer generally then if he is both indoor and outdoor. So diet isn’t the only determining factor of the length of an animals life and I very much am aware of that.

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[quote]yonkeyschnitzel wrote:
fed low protein as a pup til about 16 months of age. Eats a shitload of grain free commercial dog food. RAW is a great alternative, although expensive and difficult to maintain. This dog requires no supplementation nor do any of my other dogs. He has no joint hip problems nor do his mother/father. 3 yrs old 156 lbs AKC Champion.[/quote]

Wow, he doesn’t look 156, thats a NICE dog! How tall is he??

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[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:
They are crosses between American Pitbull Terriers and American Staffordshire Terriers.

A mastiff and pit mix would be pretty badass I’m sure. I love bullmastiff’s, and I’m guessing a pit/ mastiff mix would look very similar to a bullmastiff.[/quote]

Mastiff and pit mix is cane corso. Yes they are badass.

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i’ve never seen an all black cane corso like that… They almost look like Dogos to me except well bigger.

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Andrew, do you have apicture of your dog?