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Actually, the beyonder’s only the manifestation of the conscious ‘entity’ created from molecule man’s explosion. There are in fact various beyonders whose power go far and beyond that of the beyonder.

http://www.marveldirectory.com/alienraces/beyonders.htm

And btw, he was never truly defeated by Dr. Doom, though he was killed by molecule man while in a mortal, underpowered, infant state.
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/b/beyonder.htm

And no, I’ve never read comic books (at least not regularly, every once in a while I’ll get curious and pick up one at borders). I just came across that site by accident one day and like reading. :slight_smile:

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[quote]OARSMAN wrote:
Professor X wrote:

230lbs may be huge for someone who is 5’8", but is skinny for someone who is 6’5". The usual consideration is 5-10lbs for every inch in body height for comparisons.

Prof. you have a funny definition of “skinny”. 6’5 and a lean 230 is far from skinny.

6’5 at 200 is skinny. 6’5 at a lean 230 and the girlies are giving you second looks all over the place.

Out of curiosity what, in your opinion, is an acceptable weight for someone of my height, which happens to be in between 6’4 and 6’5 ?
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Acceptable? Was I even talking about “acceptable”? I was talking about the difference between being considered BIG and being considered much more average. Someone 6’5" and 230lbs, while having a larger frame than most people is not “bodybuilder big” and we aren’t even talking about contest condition. Some guy weighing 230lbs with 10% body fat at 6’5" is only carrying 207lbs of lean body mass. It isn’t rail thin by any means but it isn’t considered “extremely muscular” for someone that tall. Sorry if that disappoints you, but it is reality.

The picture attached to this is of Quentin Richardson, currently #23 of the New York Knicks. He weighs about 230-235lbs according to his stats page at a height of 6’6" (just one inch taller than we are discussing). He looks BIG to you in terms of bodybuilding? That must have ruined your world when I wrote that, huh?

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Let’s look at Rashad McCants, #1 of the Minnesota Timberwolves who is your height of 6’4". His stats list him at 207lbs. He is nowhere near “big” or “muscular”. In fact, at that height, he would probably have to gain another 30-40lbs to register as “built”. If you add 10lbs for another inch in height, that would mean at 6’5" and nearly 220lbs, he would still look lanky.

Someone who is 6’5" is tall as shit. There might be quite a few more taller people walking around now than decades previous, but that doesn’t change the fact that the taller you are, the smaller you look at high weights.

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Oarsman, This is Derek Anderson, currently #8 of the Houston Rockets. He weighs 220lbs at a height of 6’5". You believe that with just 10 more pounds he would suddenly be HUGE? He is skinny. You are probably smaller than you think you look simply because people respond to all tall guys as if they are gigantic. It doesn’t mean you look muscular. It just means you are towering over most people.

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Paul Pierce, #34 of the Boston Celtics. He is 6’6" and 230lbs. This is “muscular”? But one inch shorter will make him big? Please.

6’5" and 230lbs would make you look like a basketball player. It would not make you look very muscular much beyond average for someone who isn’t a couch potato. Therefore, when I wrote that someone who is 6’5" is “skinny” at 230lbs, that was what I was referring to.

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I’m I the only one on here who remembers when patricia was always the first one to have the scoop on comic book movies?

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OK correct me if I?m wrong. I know Supes powers have changed over the years, however in 1940 when his character was created he was just stronger than the average man, well a lot stronger, such as he had difficulty lifting a car and throwing it, he could not fly in fact he had to jump tall buildings in a single bound and ran faster than a locomotive (Later became bullet), bullets would ?hurt? him and push him back. He became stronger later, in the following years. I believe the new movie was to go back to the 40s idea of Superman, so I wonder how true it will be to the Superman of old?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
OARSMAN wrote:
Professor X wrote:

230lbs may be huge for someone who is 5’8", but is skinny for someone who is 6’5". The usual consideration is 5-10lbs for every inch in body height for comparisons.

Prof. you have a funny definition of “skinny”. 6’5 and a lean 230 is far from skinny.

6’5 at 200 is skinny. 6’5 at a lean 230 and the girlies are giving you second looks all over the place.

Out of curiosity what, in your opinion, is an acceptable weight for someone of my height, which happens to be in between 6’4 and 6’5 ?

Acceptable? Was I even talking about “acceptable”? I was talking about the difference between being considered BIG and being considered much more average. Someone 6’5" and 230lbs, while having a larger frame than most people is not “bodybuilder big” and we aren’t even talking about contest condition. Some guy weighing 230lbs with 10% body fat at 6’5" is only carrying 207lbs of lean body mass. It isn’t rail thin by any means but it isn’t considered “extremely muscular” for someone that tall. Sorry if that disappoints you, but it is reality.

The picture attached to this is of Quentin Richardson, currently #23 of the New York Knicks. He weighs about 230-235lbs according to his stats page at a height of 6’6" (just one inch taller than we are discussing). He looks BIG to you in terms of bodybuilding? That must have ruined your world when I wrote that, huh?[/quote]

Hey Professor - first, I wasn’t attacking you.

Actually, it does not matter to me what you consider “BIG” or “skinny”, that’s your personal opinion and I have no beef with that. I was just trying to point out that not everyone shares that same criteria.

I for example, have absolutely no interest in weighing 280 lbs. again - been there, done that. Highly overrated. I feel much better right now at 230-235 than at a bulked up 285, where it’s just a lot of ‘dead weight’ - your clothes don’t fit right and you are just carrying around a lot of excessive muscle for the sake of having muscle. Since I have no intention of competing in bodybuilding, what’s the point? Scaring people? I’m taller than pretty much 98% of the population, so people as a rule never really fucked with me in the first place. and to further defuse any argument (my current b.f. is around 10-11% and at 280 I was around 15-16% eating over 5500 cals a day to maintain - it just wasn’t as cool as I thought it would be.

BTW, sports teams lie all the time about the weights of their players.

For example, Dolphin DE Jason Taylor is listed at 6’6" and 260 - I’ve seen the guy in person - B.S. - he’s 240 tops.

Same thing with Julius Peppers - I saw that dude on South Beach - that guy is nowhere near 285. He is just freakishly strong and fast. He plays like a 285 pounder.

They write that crap to make them seem bigger than they are.

Name your sport and there are tons of guys you can name with inflated stats - Charles Barkley, basically every NFL O lineman, you name it…

As to Shaq: right now, he weighs a lot more than 325 - he’s more like 340-350 at least. Pat Riley 's wet dream would be to get him down to 320 come playoff time. Despite what you may think, - Shaq IS a huge mofo.

One more question: was Arnold, who competed at 230 measuring close to 6’2" not ‘bodybuilder big’ according to your criteria? I don’t think that 5-10 lbs. per inch is very accurate, then. That would be equivalent of a 6’5" Arnold weighing in at about 260 (like Ferrigno did 1975)- so following your logic, doesn’t that illustrate how distorted modern bodybuilding has become where a guy my height has to topple the scale at close to 300 lbs. ripped in order to be competitive ? I mean how fucked up is that?

I don’t know man, just thinking out loud.

take care,

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[quote]OARSMAN wrote:
BTW, sports teams lie all the time about the weights of their players. [/quote]

So, you think all of the pics posted and stats were all lies by the NBA? Either way, you asked about my perception of “big” and clearly, the average 230lbs “in shape athlete” at 6’5" is NOT very big and wouldn’t be considered very muscular to too many people aside from possibly those who never lifted a weight before.

[quote]One more question: was Arnold, who competed at 230 measuring close to 6’2" not ‘bodybuilder big’ according to your criteria? I don’t think that 5-10 lbs. per inch is very accurate, then. That would be equivalent of a 6’5" Arnold weighing in at about 260 (like Ferrigno did 1975)- so following your logic, doesn’t that illustrate how distorted modern bodybuilding has become where a guy my height has to topple the scale at close to 300 lbs. ripped in order to be competitive ? I mean how fucked up is that?

I don’t know man, just thinking out loud.

take care, [/quote]

Arnold was in CONTEST SHAPE, and just like the pics that Da Freak posted on this site, how you look dieted down is a world of difference than the weight one would normally walk around daily at. If Arnold was 235lbs drained of water and carb depleted, it means he was potentially MUCH bigger in the off season and was probably walking around close to 250lbs just a week or two after a contest.

Bottom line, someone is not very muscular walking around at 230lbs at 6’5" because being that tall spreads the weight out thinly. I showed examples. It is now up to you to show examples of all of the HUGE people walking around on a daily basis weighing 230lbs at 6’5".

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theres no comparison. galactus could create a herald to smoke superman if he wanted. or he could just turn supers brain to jello by looking at him.//

#2–come on. the beyonder turned out to be cosmic cube that gained intelligence. he could turn superman in to a peanut.

#3-- thanos is an immortal. he once fought tyrant a being with the equivalent power of galactus and couldnt be killed. he definately was defeated but not killed. now if were talking about somthing outside of might vs. might thanos would definately win. the dudes destroyed the marvel universe like 5 times. then reversed it.

#4 i dont know too much about apocolypse other then he is one of those plot type storyline guys that isnt immortal but hes been alive over 10,000 years. cant give a definate answer.

#5- dr doom would lose a fist fight but would win if he had time to plot.

#6- the phoenix eats entire solar systems to survive including the sun. id have to give supes the disadvantage.

[quote]OARSMAN wrote:
Fellas,

I must admit that I never read DC comics other than Flash, Teen Titans (which was basically an X-Men ripoff., the Miller Dark Knights, and Crisis which was dope.

I never really got into Superman because he was BORING. He has no flaws and other than Kryptonite, you can’t really fuck with him - it’s almost like what’s the point - he’s like a infinitely jacked up boy scout… yawn…

I was a huge Marvel kid growing up - why, the guys are HUMAN, much more fleshed out than any DC character (other than Batman, of course). Give me Dr. Doom over Luthor any day of the week. Give me Wolverine over Superman any day of the week.

So let’s get some shit talk going -

If Superman is so powerful let’s assume the following combats:

who wins?

Superman v. Galactus ?

Superman v. the Beyonder?

Superman v. Thanos?

Superman v. Apocalypse?

Superman v. Dr. Doom (the super powerful wizard version of Doom) ?

Superman v. Dark Phoenix?

Gentlemen, we have now officially entered a whole new level of geek-dom…

peace [/quote]

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[quote]dmanor wrote:
OK correct me if I?m wrong. I know Supes powers have changed over the years, however in 1940 when his character was created he was just stronger than the average man, well a lot stronger, such as he had difficulty lifting a car and throwing it, he could not fly in fact he had to jump tall buildings in a single bound and ran faster than a locomotive (Later became bullet), bullets would ?hurt? him and push him back. He became stronger later, in the following years. I believe the new movie was to go back to the 40s idea of Superman, so I wonder how true it will be to the Superman of old?[/quote]

My understanding is that this is a sequel of sorts. In terms of movie continuity, they’re saying that the first two movies happened (pretend the third & fourth movie never existed) and this upcoming movie is what comes up after the second movie. In terms of powers, I don’t know how powerful they’ll make him exactly, but the standard Superman powers apply (strength, flight, invulnerability, heat vision, x-ray vision, hearing, etc.) You’re right that when Superman was first written he couldn’t fly, but he’ll be flying in this movie. He does so in the teaser trailer.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
OARSMAN wrote:
BTW, sports teams lie all the time about the weights of their players.

So, you think all of the pics posted and stats were all lies by the NBA? [/quote]

sure, why not? that pic does not say how much they weigh. just like people take arnold at his word when he said he weighed 230 in contest shape with 21" arms and a 57" chest. Like Poliquin pointed out in an article long ago - at those measurements it isn’t even physically possible.

As to the other stuff, it’s all in the definition you ascribe. We obviously have different definitions of ‘skinny’. so let’s just leave it at that. For the record, I never said I was HUGE at 230.

peace

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Theres only one superhero/comic type guy T-Nation readers should be concerned about : LOBO!!! He’s built like a fucking tank but just as important is his attitude, he is truly BAD-ASS!! He cant die cos niether Heaven or Hell want him.

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Gunter Schlierkamp would make a great Superman. He’s tall-ish, well built and has the ‘look’.

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on the subway to work today, i saw a bloke who looked so much like the evil dude in superman 2, the one with the beard, but not the big tough one, they one that talked…i kept looking at him thinking…"he is going to try and kill superman’

i love superman

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[quote]superpimp wrote:
I can’t believe they are doing this after really bad The Batman cartoon now we get metro superman

Holy crap! Superman is a lightbulb!!!

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But guys, let’s not forget one thing: Superman wears Chuck Norris pyjamas.

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[quote]BIGRAGOO wrote:
Eric at RIT wrote:
BIGRAGOO wrote:
JackAss wrote:
Mike O’hearn is perfect for the role.
However, hollywood is full of pussy boys that won’t give jacked up dudes a shot.

Here is O’Hearn playing Superman

He represents a better Superman for sure.

Yeah, he looks good in the part… But even from this short trailer you can see the earlier point about big guys vs. good actors… He looks good, but his performance is bad, real bad, and it couldn’t carry a feature film… especially when you consider how little dramatic material was covered…

ps… batman is cool, but superman is much cooler…

Well, i know that he probably wasn’t much of an actor, but hell Arnold learned to be decent.[/quote]

I don’t know if that’s the case or whether the roles he came to play didn’t require him to be decent. Could be the same here. They don’t necessarily need a very good actor for it to be a good movie. Depends how they want to make it.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
OARSMAN wrote:
Professor X wrote:

230lbs may be huge for someone who is 5’8", but is skinny for someone who is 6’5". The usual consideration is 5-10lbs for every inch in body height for comparisons.

Prof. you have a funny definition of “skinny”. 6’5 and a lean 230 is far from skinny.

6’5 at 200 is skinny. 6’5 at a lean 230 and the girlies are giving you second looks all over the place.

Out of curiosity what, in your opinion, is an acceptable weight for someone of my height, which happens to be in between 6’4 and 6’5 ?

Acceptable? Was I even talking about “acceptable”? I was talking about the difference between being considered BIG and being considered much more average. Someone 6’5" and 230lbs, while having a larger frame than most people is not “bodybuilder big” and we aren’t even talking about contest condition. Some guy weighing 230lbs with 10% body fat at 6’5" is only carrying 207lbs of lean body mass. It isn’t rail thin by any means but it isn’t considered “extremely muscular” for someone that tall. Sorry if that disappoints you, but it is reality.

The picture attached to this is of Quentin Richardson, currently #23 of the New York Knicks. He weighs about 230-235lbs according to his stats page at a height of 6’6" (just one inch taller than we are discussing). He looks BIG to you in terms of bodybuilding? That must have ruined your world when I wrote that, huh?[/quote]

I would agree with this. Doesn’t mean everyone would want to be that size for various reasons. But 6’5, 230 is really not bodybuilder big to me at all.

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[quote]Miserere wrote:
But guys, let’s not forget one thing: Superman wears Chuck Norris pyjamas.[/quote]

Chuck Norris should play Superman. But only if he gets to keep his Texas Walker hat on while shooting scenes.