But he’s a goofy ass actor. Has he done any roles that weren’t comical? I couldn’t take him seriously as Superman. [/quote]
Fraser is totally slept on as an actor. He has range and is adventurous - maybe too adventurous given some of the stupid shit he’s done (Encino Man, George of the Jungle).
But check out his work in “School Ties” (Matt Damon and Ben Affleck’s first movie, if I’m not mistaken) as well as a lot of other dramatic work - he’s been in a ton of serious ‘cinema’ type flicks aside from the comedy and blockbusters.
I don’t know man, I think he’d be awesome in the role. He’s got that cool upper-crust canadian diction that you just know would sound like boy-scout farm boy Superman.
In fact, I think he was originally the first guy they considered or something, and then he dropped out.
I must admit that I never read DC comics other than Flash, Teen Titans (which was basically an X-Men ripoff., the Miller Dark Knights, and Crisis which was dope.
I never really got into Superman because he was BORING. He has no flaws and other than Kryptonite, you can’t really fuck with him - it’s almost like what’s the point - he’s like a infinitely jacked up boy scout… yawn…
I was a huge Marvel kid growing up - why, the guys are HUMAN, much more fleshed out than any DC character (other than Batman, of course). Give me Dr. Doom over Luthor any day of the week. Give me Wolverine over Superman any day of the week.
So let’s get some shit talk going -
If Superman is so powerful let’s assume the following combats:
who wins?
Superman v. Galactus ? -GALACTUS
Superman v. the Beyonder? BEYONDER
Superman v. Thanos? THANOS
Superman v. Apocalypse? SUPERMAN
Superman v. Dr. Doom (the super powerful wizard version of Doom) ? TOSSUP
Superman v. Dark Phoenix? DARK PHOENIX
Gentlemen, we have now officially entered a whole new level of geek-dom…
This is like a cooler version of electricferret. Anyway, here’s my picks:
Superman v. Galactus ? Galactus sucks the life force from planets to survive, but I think Big Blue’s super-speed could trump that. Superman.
Superman v. the Beyonder? How would Supes even begin to fight an intangible being? Although if Dr. Doom can beat the Beyonder, so could the Kryptonian.
Superman v. Thanos? Thanos all the way, with enough left over to walk the mudhole dry.
Superman v. Apocalypse? An exciting fight, for about four seconds. Then Apocalypse morphs into a life-support device to try to save his mudhole-stomped-but-good ass.
Superman v. Dr. Doom (the super powerful wizard version of Doom) ? I can only speculate on the, regular I guess, character, so if Dr.Doom knows what he’s up against and has time to prepare, then yeah. Out of the blue? C’mon.
Superman v. Dark Phoenix? Never read anything with the Dark Phoenix, so I can’t say.
I’ve got a few:
Lobo vs. Thor
Doomsday vs. Thanos
Wolverine vs. Deathstroke
Unicron vs… Hell anyone. He ate two of my moons. Who can fuck with someone like that?
Hellboy vs. Spiderman
Sabretooth (movie version) vs. Predator
Jaws vs. Flipper
I’m sure I’ll think of a few more, but I’d like some responses to these before I post’em.
[quote]Galvatron wrote:
Superman v. the Beyonder? How would Supes even begin to fight an intangible being? Although if Dr. Doom can beat the Beyonder, so could the Kryptonian.[/quote]
I have to agree with you on all your conclusions except one. Doom outsmarted the Beyonder … for a while.
The Beyonder was the only character who had all BY (beyond) ratings in the Marvel RPG game (yeah, GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK!), so if any other Marvel character could do Supes in, then logically the Beyonder would do it with even less effort.
Marvel also had a character called Death, a Class5000 (the last rating before Beyond) in all stats. We all know Superman died at the hands of Doomsday … but he also returned, so technically he could cheat Death. (GEEEEEEEEEEEK!)
I’m trying to picture a flaming farmer. Possibly a neon green and pink set of overalls (with matching straw hat for a nice spring look), pleasantly arched eyebrows, spending just a li…ttle too much time milking the cow, throws bails of hay shaped into nice little balls…[/quote]
Now we know what occupies your mind late at night.
Superman has really evolved over the years. While some things have been answered, there has always been a problem with writers changing how powerful he was. First he can survive an atomic explosion without a scratch, but is tossed back by a much smaller object.
The biggest weakness Superman really had was that he was so powerful that writers had a problem creating situations he couldn’t defeat. And if you thought about it most of those situations they came up with were still defeatable by him. Although this is one of the reasons they come up with Kryptonite.
One comic book I read actually tried to explain why nobody knew that Clark Kent was Superman. They even had him wondering why his stupid disguise was working. Then he found out that his glasses, made out of broken glass from his spaceship, was actually hypnotizing everyone to see him as a weaker, dumpier, older, balding man. (And he was happy about this.)
Also I know at one time his suit was supposed to have been made out of a Krypton blanket sent with him to Earth. His Mother unraveled it, and sewed it up into his suit, with help from Clark by having him use heat vision to break the thread when needed.
Now the movies have a little problem with converting comics to film. First they need to decide whether they are going to try to make the world more like a comic book, or they need to turn superheroes into more realistic characters.
This superman movie I believe they are going for the former. To do that latter they would have to change the costume even more then they did. The only reason anyone accepts the costume today is because we grew up with it. If somebody showed up today wearing that thing, and nobody was familiar with the costume, people would talk about how powerful he was, but, “what’s with the gay suit?”
[quote]The Mage wrote:
Superman has really evolved over the years. While some things have been answered, there has always been a problem with writers changing how powerful he was. First he can survive an atomic explosion without a scratch, but is tossed back by a much smaller object.
The biggest weakness Superman really had was that he was so powerful that writers had a problem creating situations he couldn’t defeat. And if you thought about it most of those situations they came up with were still defeatable by him. Although this is one of the reasons they come up with Kryptonite.
One comic book I read actually tried to explain why nobody knew that Clark Kent was Superman. They even had him wondering why his stupid disguise was working. Then he found out that his glasses, made out of broken glass from his spaceship, was actually hypnotizing everyone to see him as a weaker, dumpier, older, balding man. (And he was happy about this.)
Also I know at one time his suit was supposed to have been made out of a Krypton blanket sent with him to Earth. His Mother unraveled it, and sewed it up into his suit, with help from Clark by having him use heat vision to break the thread when needed.
Now the movies have a little problem with converting comics to film. First they need to decide whether they are going to try to make the world more like a comic book, or they need to turn superheroes into more realistic characters.
This superman movie I believe they are going for the former. To do that latter they would have to change the costume even more then they did. The only reason anyone accepts the costume today is because we grew up with it. If somebody showed up today wearing that thing, and nobody was familiar with the costume, people would talk about how powerful he was, but, “what’s with the gay suit?”[/quote]
“whats with they gay suit?”
Hey…I thought gay bashing on this site and in general was archaic?..
I thought the “not that there’s anything wrong with that” mantra ruled??!
BTW: I do agree with your statement!
“whats with they gay suit?”
Hey…I thought gay bashing on this site and in general was archaic?..
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Oops, I’m sorry.
“What’s with the nontraditional outfit which implies a state of lifestyle choice to which the average person in our multicultural population is unfamiliar with, as long as you don’t find this statement offensive to which I would rescind the question and beg your forgiveness with my deepest apologies?”
[quote]superpimp wrote:
I just read the new Wizard with 26 pages of stuff on Routh and the new Superman film he’s 6’5" and 250 he really isn’t that light but he’s pretty tall, also they had a padded suit that he was wearing but because of what he bulked up to they took much of the padding out.
If anyone wants to see Superman unleash his full potential see the Girl From Krypton in the Batman Superman book where he fights Darksied also the In the Name of Gog story line where Gog injects him with liquid kryptonite and several villians lean he is recurperating at Star Labs he tells them he’s too weak to pull his punches, and they all leave with their tails between their legs.
Kryptonite hurts him because his world was dying from a radiation from years of abuse, the radiation hurts humans as well Luther was diagnosed with acancer and had his hand amputated when he wore the kryptonite ring. [/quote]
I’m sorry, I refuse to believe he weighs 250. Magazines print this sort of shit all the time; did you know Tiger Woods bench presses 350 lbs?
[quote]cap’nsalty wrote:
I’m sorry, I refuse to believe he weighs 250. Magazines print this sort of shit all the time; did you know Tiger Woods bench presses 350 lbs?[/quote]
250lbs at 6’5" isn’t that big. That is equal to somewhere around 180lbs for someone who is 5’10". They probably weighed him with his winter jacket on, but it isn’t that far off in weight. Isn’t Shaquille O’neal just over 300lbs? He isn’t exactly He-Man either even though he trains and is “big” to the average person.
Comparing relative weights and heights, Shaq is 7’1" and 325lbs according to his stats page. That would put him roughly the equivilent difference between this new Superman and someone of more average height around 5’10".
From this pic, even though Shaq lifts weights regularly, he would have put on about 30 more pounds to truly look “impressively muscular”.
“whats with they gay suit?”
Hey…I thought gay bashing on this site and in general was archaic?..
Oops, I’m sorry.
“What’s with the nontraditional outfit which implies a state of lifestyle choice to which the average person in our multicultural population is unfamiliar with, as long as you don’t find this statement offensive to which I would rescind the question and beg your forgiveness with my deepest apologies?”
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Hey Mage…you “may” have missed my point. I was being a little sarcastic. In this society, any comment on “certain issues” is considered “hate speech” or “bashing”. I don’t follow this line of reasoning however.
Whats appropriate now it seems is to have NO opinion on anything and to keep comments to yourself, lest you be labeled a homphobe, judgemental or mean spirited. Political correctness has infected society and has taken over.
Yep, MILKTOAST man is the order of the day!
I congratulate you for saying something “truthful” (gasp!) and edgy!
Did anyone read the Marvel vs. DC series that was released about 10 years ago? They did a survey about which similar characters would win if paired up. For example, the Green Lantern v. the Silver Surfer, Batman v. Captain America, Wolverine v. Lobo, (I can’t belive I remember these), Robin v. Jubilee, Sperman v. The Hulk…
It was eight or ten issues that spawned a brief “amalgam” run of mixed characters (Captain Silver Bat-Lantern kinda thing)…
“I shall now return to my own store, where I give the insults instead of recieving them.”
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
cap’nsalty wrote:
Does it strike anyone else as strange that going on recent movies, Batman has more muscle than Superman does?
not really because batman is cool and superman is super gay. …
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Im afraid to tell you they are both gay. I mean for good sake, batman has a camp partner called “Robin,” and Superman speaks for itself.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
250lbs at 6’5" isn’t that big. That is equal to somewhere around 180lbs for someone who is 5’10". They probably weighed him with his winter jacket on, but it isn’t that far off in weight. Isn’t Shaquille O’neal just over 300lbs? He isn’t exactly He-Man either even though he trains and is “big” to the average person.[/quote]
Good points, but Brandon Routh is not 6’5" but he could still be 250lbs. Christopher Reeve was and still is the tallest actor to play Superman at a solid 6’4".
[quote]Xen Nova wrote:
I was going to say that shaq shit is a dumbass notion but you’re right viewing pictures and shit yea he doesn’t look “Big” per say.
but trust me…stood by him
massive.
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I have stood “beneath” him as well and it must take at least 6,000cals a day just to keep his body moving. I think he wears a size 26 shoe. The point is, the taller you are, the smaller you look at the same weight. 230lbs may be huge for someone who is 5’8", but is skinny for someone who is 6’5". The usual consideration is 5-10lbs for every inch in body height for comparisons.
230lbs may be huge for someone who is 5’8", but is skinny for someone who is 6’5". The usual consideration is 5-10lbs for every inch in body height for comparisons. [/quote]
Prof. you have a funny definition of “skinny”. 6’5 and a lean 230 is far from skinny.
6’5 at 200 is skinny. 6’5 at a lean 230 and the girlies are giving you second looks all over the place.
Out of curiosity what, in your opinion, is an acceptable weight for someone of my height, which happens to be in between 6’4 and 6’5 ?
