Superman vs Thor

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[quote]Amiright wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
Amiright wrote:
hulk

Hulk is a bad ass, but he’s not gonna stomp Thor. Whenever Thor faces Hulk, he’s trying to calm him down or distract him until someone else can find a surefire way of turning him back into Bruce Banner. Thor is one of the few beings who holds their strength back and takes on Savage Hulk when he’s trying to kill you.

If they fought and didn’t hold anything back, I would give it to Thor. It would still be close.

Now SkyFather Thor (Current Thor) would bust his ass.

When Hulk and thor fought… everyone thought thor was killed, he barely survived(he wasn’t holding back at that point, he was dying)… and Hulk used his hammer, just took him a second to pick it up :stuck_out_tongue:

edit: although this was the movie
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What’s this? Are you talking about that lame Hulk vs. Thor cartoon? That was total writing FAIL. I can’t believe Marvel let that crap get released. They made Thor into such a puss

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[quote]drewh wrote:
Only mjolnir is magical in nature not Thor himself. Superman is much faster and much stronger than thor he is also more resistant to damage. We’ve seen superman against much more potent magical forces and he comes out on top. Plus his powers are changing all the time, newer versions have him more resistant to magic. [/quote]

So what you’re saying is that DC never gives a concrete reason for why he’s weak to Kryptonite and Magic in one issue and then resistant to it the next issue. DC just gives Superman random powers so he can keep up with other super heroes.

Thor and Superman are in the same realm of strength. Thor’s full strength has been considered incalculable and limitless! So don’t ever say Superman is stronger. I’ll give Superman the credit and say they are in the same realm of strength.

Superman can fly extremely fast, but when Thor uses his hammer, he flies at the minimum of the speed of light. So as fast as Superman flies, Thor will be right there to smack his ass down. Thor is also fast without the hammer. An Asgardian is faster than a normal human. And considering that Thor is best physical specimen in Asgard, he’ll run circles around people. There are examples of his speed without the hammer. I’ll find them.

Toughness: Thor. Superman is a pure bitch in this area. Thor has fought people bigger, stronger, and more durable without his hammer and find a way to win.

Skill: Thor. Elite warriors with centuries of battle experience. Hell, make that a millennium. Superman training for a month with Mongul Jr. doesn’t make him a bad ass.

Thor takes on more potent enemies than Superman does. Superman has enemies like Toyman and Metallo. When he does actually fight tough enemies like Darkseid, Mongul, Doomsday, or Braniac, they beat his ass. All of Thor’s enemies are on God level or extremely powerful like Juggernaut, The Wrecking Crew, and Absorbing Man. And the Incredible Hulk

Superman’s weaknesses are Magic, Red Sun, and Kyrptonite. Thor is beating his ass with Mjolnir and Superman dies

And the constant changing of powers is just bad writing and DC trying to keep up with current heroes. They’ve given Supes a force field(like Juggs and Invisible Woman), a healing factor(like wolverine), and the ability to learn languages and knowledge simply by touching or hearing it(I forgot who else can do this). Superman may use these powers in one issue, but in the next issue, he doesn’t have them.

Regular Thor beats Regular Superman to death.

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[quote]force of one wrote:
Amiright wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
Amiright wrote:
hulk

Hulk is a bad ass, but he’s not gonna stomp Thor. Whenever Thor faces Hulk, he’s trying to calm him down or distract him until someone else can find a surefire way of turning him back into Bruce Banner. Thor is one of the few beings who holds their strength back and takes on Savage Hulk when he’s trying to kill you.

If they fought and didn’t hold anything back, I would give it to Thor. It would still be close.

Now SkyFather Thor (Current Thor) would bust his ass.

When Hulk and thor fought… everyone thought thor was killed, he barely survived(he wasn’t holding back at that point, he was dying)… and Hulk used his hammer, just took him a second to pick it up :stuck_out_tongue:

edit: although this was the movie

What’s this? Are you talking about that lame Hulk vs. Thor cartoon? That was total writing FAIL. I can’t believe Marvel let that crap get released. They made Thor into such a puss[/quote]

The only reason they made Thor look like a puss is because they had to make up for the Hulk vs Wolverine debacle.

I look at it like this. Thor was fighting Savage Hulk. Not Banner controlled Hulk, not “leave me alone” Hulk, not Gray Hulk. He fought the Hulk who has lost his fucking mind and doesn’t have Banner to control him. That version of Hulk is ass raping the Marvel universe. Only the Asgardians and Thor could survive/win that battle.

Also:

  1. Thor was not trying to kill Hulk
  2. Thor and the Asgardians had just got done fighting a 2 week war against Frost Giants, Trolls, and other God level monsters. So everyone is tired, including Thor.

The Hulk vs Wolverine was just a spit in the face of Hulk fans.

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Already happened in a George Perez crossover between the JLA and Avengers. Supes beat Thor, but said he was the single toughest opponent he had ever fought. After the rest of the Avengers look over from their battles and see that he beat Thor, they all jump Superman and stomp him to the ground. The villians in the story that dupe them into fighting each other are Kronos (DC) and Gamesmaster (Marvel). This is classic Supes vs classic Thor.

Look it up.

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http://members.fortunecity.com/jshayer/comics/hulk_330.htm

Issue 321 and 322 of the Hulk he took on both the East and West Coast Avengers. This included Hercules, Iron Man, Submariner, and Wonderman. They are all classified as 100+ tonners. The other Avengers were there as well like She Hulk, the Wasp, Black Knight, Captain America and a few others.

The Hulk bashed them all in.

Think I’ll go home and find those issues and read them again.

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[quote]ComixGuy wrote:
Already happened in a George Perez crossover between the JLA and Avengers. Supes beat Thor, but said he was the single toughest opponent he had ever fought. After the rest of the Avengers look over from their battles and see that he beat Thor, they all jump Superman and stomp him to the ground. The villians in the story that dupe them into fighting each other are Kronos (DC) and Gamesmaster (Marvel). This is classic Supes vs classic Thor.

Look it up. [/quote]

Well damn.

And I actually found myself agreeing with Wol on this one. I’ve never liked superman, but after seeing that I think he’s just shit. DC don’t even make an effort to hide the fact that they just make superman as powerful as necessary to beat whoever happens to be around this issue.

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I live for threads like this! I don’t think you can count crossovers like that…I mean who is in control? Like Marvel versus DC…which was a bit shit really- but more balanced in that Thor faced off against (and beat) Captain Marvel.

Bottom line, Thor is a god; Superman is vulnerable to magic because his powers operate in the realm of the physical. He is thus vulnerable to forces outside the physical sciences, and should be highly susceptible to Thor’s Asgardian(divine?) powers. In Kingdom Come, Captain Marvel gets the better of Superman (temporarily) as his powers are magical/divine in nature.

Who did win? Superman.

Who shhould win? If the writers have an ounce of integrity, it has to be Thor every time.

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:
force of one wrote:
Amiright wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
Amiright wrote:
hulk

Hulk is a bad ass, but he’s not gonna stomp Thor. Whenever Thor faces Hulk, he’s trying to calm him down or distract him until someone else can find a surefire way of turning him back into Bruce Banner. Thor is one of the few beings who holds their strength back and takes on Savage Hulk when he’s trying to kill you.

If they fought and didn’t hold anything back, I would give it to Thor. It would still be close.

Now SkyFather Thor (Current Thor) would bust his ass.

When Hulk and thor fought… everyone thought thor was killed, he barely survived(he wasn’t holding back at that point, he was dying)… and Hulk used his hammer, just took him a second to pick it up :stuck_out_tongue:

edit: although this was the movie

What’s this? Are you talking about that lame Hulk vs. Thor cartoon? That was total writing FAIL. I can’t believe Marvel let that crap get released. They made Thor into such a puss

The only reason they made Thor look like a puss is because they had to make up for the Hulk vs Wolverine debacle.

I look at it like this. Thor was fighting Savage Hulk. Not Banner controlled Hulk, not “leave me alone” Hulk, not Gray Hulk. He fought the Hulk who has lost his fucking mind and doesn’t have Banner to control him. That version of Hulk is ass raping the Marvel universe. Only the Asgardians and Thor could survive/win that battle.

Also:

  1. Thor was not trying to kill Hulk
  2. Thor and the Asgardians had just got done fighting a 2 week war against Frost Giants, Trolls, and other God level monsters. So everyone is tired, including Thor.

The Hulk vs Wolverine was just a spit in the face of Hulk fans.[/quote]

Matching Wolverine against the Hulk is just plain dumb. It’s like a tick fighting a human.

At least in the episode of ‘Wolverine and the X-Men’, where Hulk and Wolverine fought, the Hulk just slammed and threw him around the whole time. It a hell of a lot more realistic than the other fights they’ve had.

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The only real way to answer the question is to ask yourselves who is more popular. Superman will win every time in any crossover because the Superman fanboys out number Thor’s by 6 - 1. The writers will give in to public pressure and Superman wins again as he always does (except when he faces pimp daddy Batman).

Also there is no way old school Thor is beating old school Hulk, don’t kid yourselves. Also Isn’t the current RedHulk capable of Ripping apart Galaxies or some shit? He still owns current Thor’s ass as far as I’m concerned.

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[quote]Pootie Tang wrote:
The only real way to answer the question is to ask yourselves who is more popular. Superman will win every time in any crossover because the Superman fanboys out number Thor’s by 6 - 1. The writers will give in to public pressure and Superman wins again as he always does (except when he faces pimp daddy Batman).

Also there is no way old school Thor is beating old school Hulk, don’t kid yourselves. Also Isn’t the current RedHulk capable of Ripping apart Galaxies or some shit? He still owns current Thor’s ass as far as I’m concerned.[/quote]

Red Hulk does not get stronger as he get more angry, he just emits more heat…kink of lame in my opinion. This being the case the ‘original’ hulk would most likely be tougher.

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[quote]vikingrob wrote:
Pootie Tang wrote:
The only real way to answer the question is to ask yourselves who is more popular. Superman will win every time in any crossover because the Superman fanboys out number Thor’s by 6 - 1. The writers will give in to public pressure and Superman wins again as he always does (except when he faces pimp daddy Batman).

Also there is no way old school Thor is beating old school Hulk, don’t kid yourselves. Also Isn’t the current RedHulk capable of Ripping apart Galaxies or some shit? He still owns current Thor’s ass as far as I’m concerned.

Red Hulk does not get stronger as he get more angry, he just emits more heat…kink of lame in my opinion. This being the case the ‘original’ hulk would most likely be tougher.[/quote]

Just seeing a copy of Red Hulk makes me rage, ironically enough. Just leave Hulk to Pak and Loeb can sod off to doing sub-par batman again. /rant

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All I can say is no one has a Thor tattoo. While he is a badass by mortal standards, he…Well, I can’t insult him enough.

Superman will take anyone, including a Thor/Santa Clause/Easter Bunny/Techno Viking hybrid.

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[quote]ComixGuy wrote:
Already happened in a George Perez crossover between the JLA and Avengers. Supes beat Thor, but said he was the single toughest opponent he had ever fought. After the rest of the Avengers look over from their battles and see that he beat Thor, they all jump Superman and stomp him to the ground. The villians in the story that dupe them into fighting each other are Kronos (DC) and Gamesmaster (Marvel). This is classic Supes vs classic Thor.

Look it up. [/quote]

So why is it that Superman is weak against magic and kryptonite, but when he’s about to get smashed by one of the most powerful mystical items in the Marvel Universe(Mjolnir), Superman grabs it flat side and holds it. Superman is vulnerable to Magic just like any normal human being. So he would have taken that hit like any normal human being. He should have died.

If George Perez actually used the weakness to magic trait that Superman has, the Hammer would have smashed through him and broke Supes in half.

Also, at the end of the crossover, you have Superman holding Wonder Woman’s Lasso, Thor’s Hammer, and Captain America’s shield. It shouldn’t have been called “JLA vs Avengers”, it should have been called “Fuck comic book history, Superman will win regardless if it makes sense or not”

A pure one on one brawl: Thor wins. Better fighter, same stats as his opponent, and a Hammer plays into the opponents WEAKNESS to magic.

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[quote]RTJenforcer wrote:
I live for threads like this! I don’t think you can count crossovers like that…I mean who is in control? Like Marvel versus DC…which was a bit shit really- but more balanced in that Thor faced off against (and beat) Captain Marvel.

Bottom line, Thor is a god; Superman is vulnerable to magic because his powers operate in the realm of the physical. He is thus vulnerable to forces outside the physical sciences, and should be highly susceptible to Thor’s Asgardian(divine?) powers. In Kingdom Come, Captain Marvel gets the better of Superman (temporarily) as his powers are magical/divine in nature.

Who did win? Superman.

Who shhould win? If the writers have an ounce of integrity, it has to be Thor every time.[/quote]

I’m adding you to my friends list once the HUBs start working. I’m gonna have to make room. I’m gonna have to kick some people off my list.

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[quote]Pootie Tang wrote:
The only real way to answer the question is to ask yourselves who is more popular. Superman will win every time in any crossover because the Superman fanboys out number Thor’s by 6 - 1. The writers will give in to public pressure and Superman wins again as he always does (except when he faces pimp daddy Batman).

Also there is no way old school Thor is beating old school Hulk, don’t kid yourselves. Also Isn’t the current RedHulk capable of Ripping apart Galaxies or some shit? He still owns current Thor’s ass as far as I’m concerned.[/quote]

I will kick you in the dick if you insult Thor again.

When Thor lost his mind, he took on Thanos and Silver Surfer combined. He damn near won. If Thor ever got to a point where he was like “Fuck it, Hulk needs to die”. I think he would kill the Hulk. But the problem with that is that everyone who’s around them will die in the process.

Current Thor Beat Rulk’s ASS! Thor came down and didn’t think Rulk was much of a fight. Rulk hit him a few times and knocked him into space. When Thor came back down, he said “You fucked with the wrong one” and beat Rulk’s ass!

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[quote]Mad HORSE wrote:
All I can say is no one has a Thor tattoo. While he is a badass by mortal standards, he…Well, I can’t insult him enough.

Superman will take anyone, including a Thor/Santa Clause/Easter Bunny/Techno Viking hybrid.[/quote]

Fuck Big Blue and his faggy S curl. Thor will fuck Lois Lane, Lana Lane, and Wonder Woman all at the same time. And he’ll still have enough time to beat Supes to death.

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Mjolnir!

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force of one, wolbarret, you guys seem to know your comic book superheroes, is there a place online or a link where i can read up on these things? Anybody else have a link or something similar that is accessible?

As for who would win, i cannot comment, due to my lack of knowledge on the subject matter, also i am a little partial to superman. /hijack, carry on.

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[quote]Heracles_rocks wrote:
force of one, wolbarret, you guys seem to know your comic book superheroes, is there a place online or a link where i can read up on these things? Anybody else have a link or something similar that is accessible?

As for who would win, i cannot comment, due to my lack of knowledge on the subject matter, also i am a little partial to superman. /hijack, carry on. [/quote]

Wikipedia, or read some comics :stuck_out_tongue: Marvel digital collection thingy is awesome.

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[quote]Heracles_rocks wrote:
force of one, wolbarret, you guys seem to know your comic book superheroes, is there a place online or a link where i can read up on these things? Anybody else have a link or something similar that is accessible?

As for who would win, i cannot comment, due to my lack of knowledge on the subject matter, also i am a little partial to superman. /hijack, carry on. [/quote]

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