[quote]Nate Green wrote:
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=538999&pageNo=0
-Nate[/quote]
You beat me to it, Nate. Nice to see someone knows his classics
As someone said before: if Batman had time to plan, he’d own Superman. Straight-up, Batman’s toast. I always enjoyed the end of The Dark Knight Returns for the ass-whooping Batman lays on Superman.
[quote]harris447 wrote:
MODOK wrote:
It doesn’t matter who wins, Siver Surfer kicks BOTH their asses, simulaneously.
Dude, there would be two punchs thrown, then the Surfer would start whining about Shalla Bal or whatever’s he on about this week.
Silver Surfer: powerful, yes; self-pitying little bitch, YES.
[/quote]
Maybe he should meet Lobo. Then he’d have a very special souvenir to whine and bitch about … should he survive. Lobo gave Supes a rune for his money.
A potentially very interesting match. Especially if it took place in the “Dangerous Blood” Lobo period.
how about super vs wolverine
i know its DC vs Marvel. but still, what do you think?
in a fight to the death?
whos cooler?
who would you rather be?
who is in better shape?
[quote]thetruth24 wrote:
Batman is a sally. He has an old man alfred, build everything for him.
Ive seen Batman get hurt too many times to even think he has a chance against superman. He COULD go out and get all these special Kryptonite equipment, but like I said, all superman needs is a special lead armour. With his speed and strength, Superman would break batman in 1/2 with his pinky. nuff said.[/quote]
Batman doesn’t need time to plan, because he’s already planned for everything.
There was a storyline were Batman had planned out how to take out all the superheroes in case it was necessary. Superman, flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman, Wonder woman and so on.
He’d win hands down. The more powerful heroes aren’t used to planning for every little thing.
Brown Hornet pwns all!!!
[quote]The Mage wrote:
SWR-1240 wrote:
Mighty Mouse is unstoppable!
Underdog kicks Mighty Mouse’s ass.[/quote]
Not a chance!
Underdog is just a cartoon.
He’s not real.
Both are incredible characters - Batman/Bruce Wayne - a human driven to utmost perfection by tragic loss, dominated by insanity and a dual personality, yet grouned by a good heart. amazing. Superman/Clark Kent - irony at is very core. Clark is the kind of guy that most of us are - kind, meek, shy, from a small town… the polar opposite of Kal 'El, Superman, the last son of krypton… who on Earth is as powerful as it is possible to be… and though he is benevolent, and kind, and brilliant… I think in his heart of hearts, all he really wants to be is Clark Kent.
Fantastic.
As for who is “cooler” duh, Batman. As for who is a more interesting character, total toss up. As for who is more like me, couldn’t say. As for who would win in a fight, been covered - Batman. As for who I’d rather be, I’d rather be me.
As far as physique… well, I’ve always wondered how Kal 'El has gotten so jacked… I mean, how does an alien with incredible physical strength work out? I mean shit, you could put every 45 in the gym on an olympic barbell, and he could lift it with his DICK… what’s he do? Juggle cars? bury himself and try to swim through the earth to the other side? If you’ve already got limitless strength through some crazy solar radiation thing, how on earth do you get buff?? Shouldn’t Superman be skinnyfat?
Batman on the other hand… rich enough to buy the best 'roids, smart enough to train the best and have the finest nutrition… I’ve always thought that Batman would probably end up with the best physique there could be… especially when you account for the huge ammount of badass scars the guys gotta have.
Batman.
Superman, as superheroes go, is the world’s worst underachiever. He continually gets routed by mere mortals, despite his otherwordly abilities.
Plus Bats has a mean streak.
If the two were to fight Superman could just incinerate Batman’s ass with the laser beam eyes. So Superman wins the fight unless Batman uses krptonite.
However, Batman is more courageous and cooler b/c he does not have super powers and has the balls to go out and kick everyone’s ass that needs kicking. Sort of like me on a good bourbon night, he just lacks the coolness and supreme ability to pull the wool.
Either way, I win b/c Superman kills Batman then I pull out my kryptonite dick and Superman sucks it. He wears fucking tights with his underwear on the outside–fucking flamer!!!
[quote]BIGRAGOO wrote:
Batman is a glorified parlor magician.[/quote]
He is a NINJA! He can’t lose!
[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
I always hated Superman for that…he was a lazy bastich…he never even practiced how to fight…I always said that if he did ever really practice fighting he would be the baddest…but alas, he never did.[/quote]
Nah. It’s been stated several times that Superman has trained to make himself a better fighter. He hasn’t just relied on his powers… at least not with good writers at the helm.
As for the questions:
who would win in a fight?
Whoever the writer wants to win. Seriously. Ever since Miller wrote the dark knight, all the purile little wank-jobs have been lining up to take a shot at Superman. I don’t think it gets much more lame than that: dogpiling a fictional character.
In the end they’re just charactes. One represents the limits of human achievement, the other represents the nobility of the human spirit. I think it says a lot that some people feel a need to piss on the later while stroking to the former.
And this whole “If Batman has time to prepare” bit? It’s more like, “If Batman has time to prepare and manages to catch Superman completely by surprise on a really bad day”.
who is cooler?
Batman. Hands down. He’s an adolescent power fantasy. A lot of critics have tried to claim that Superman is an adolescent power fantasy, but that just shows they’re missing the point of the character.
Batman was created (kind of) by Bob Kane, who did a really good job of hiring people to flesh out Batman, and then passed their work off as his without giving them any credit or adequate financial compensation. He was designed specifically as a marketing gimmick, shamelessly stealing from other, more creative endeavors to capitalize on popular elements in pulp and cinematic heroes. Hell, even Robin was brought in as a marketing gimmick, once they figured out they’d get better youth readership if they put in a kid sidekick, allowing boys to dream of grand adventure with an unstoppable and ultra-cool fantasy father figure. It worked. Sales shot through the roof overnight.
Anyway: Batman’s all about the image. Cool car, all the little gizmos, he gets the chicks – and most importantly, he dwells in his cave all day, all angsty about the bad things that have happened to him, brooding on revenge. He then dresses all in black, goes out only at night, is ultra-tough, uber-smart, and – poor misunderstood soul he is – beats up all the bad guys, always staying one step ahead of them 'cause he’s just so damned clever.
The ultimate teenage power fantasy.
Superman? He’s got god-like power, but prefers the simple life of a farmer’s son who’s made good in the big city. Probably still dreams about that farm back home. Dresses up and saves lives when he has to because… well, really, who wouldn’t? What even moderately ethical person wouldn’t fly up in the sky and save that plane full of people if they could?
Superman’s not a power fantasy. He’s the fantasy of altruism. He’s the fantasy that arises from the sentiment of seeing two planes crash into the World Trade Centre on 9/11, leading millions of people to look on in shock and horror and murmur to themselves; “If only somebody could have stopped this.”
Batman’s definitely cooler. Hands down. My preference is Superman.
who would you rather be?
The S.
who has a better phisique?
Depends on what you like in a physique, I’d guess. Whenever I’ve drawn the characters, I give thought to what they are and what function they serve. I draw Superman bigger and blockier – more like Shuster’s original concept for him. John Grimek at his biggest.
He’s from a race that’s genetically engineered for perfection, maintaining peak condition with minimal effort. Throw in on top of it that his powers developed slowly, so he had a youth of doing heavy farm chores and eating the solid, down-home cooking of his mother… and you’ve got one big mofo. Big, blocky farmboy.
And yes, he apparently has a super weightset at the Fortress of Solitude. Silly, but fun. 
Batman I draw thinner, but sill very powerful in appearance. He’s not about building maximum size like a bodybuilder – more like proportionate strength, like a gymnast, with as much speed as he can manage. He doesn’t stop bullets with his chest, he gets the Hell out of the way.
The problem with most of these questions is that they’re phrased to create absolutist answers from subjective questions. Most of this stuff is completely opinion driven.
Well, amazon.com has the second season of the Justice League on sale and it is the best season they have released. The character development for both of these characters is pretty impressive and the story lines aren’t childish at all. On the show, Batman is usually the brains…even though Clark shows that even if he loses his powers, there is a lot more to him.
I don’t think Batman could out plan Superman.
Superman has had experience with great planners. Look at Superman rouges gallery. Lex and Brainiac. Both as smart as Batman and they cannot out plan Superman. Batman would set up a plan, it wouldn’t work out. Superman is always overcoming great planners.
Batman is the worlds greatest detective, not an assassin. His main villains are crazy homicidal maniacs. Joker and Penguin. His skills are about tracking and beating psychopaths with human powers.
See, the only thing Batman has going for him is Superman is always holding back. I was watching JLU S5E13 where Superman is fighting Darkseid. It looks like Superman is having a hard time, but all he does is realize he doesn’t have to pull his punches on this guy. It ends.
If Batman ever took it to the place where Superman decides it’s time not to hold back… Batman is done.
Oh, Batman is a lot cooler than Superman.
I’d rather be the Superman, X-ray vision alone is worth it.
Superman is build like a Body Builder, Batman’s a MMA fighter.
[quote]Northcott wrote:
[Superman] represents the nobility of the human spirit.[/quote]
Are up kidding me? Superman is a dick! 
http://www.superdickery.com/dick/1.html
[quote]The Mage wrote:
SWR-1240 wrote:
Mighty Mouse is unstoppable!
Underdog kicks Mighty Mouse’s ass.[/quote]
Pfft, they are all owned: by Super Chicken! (and Fred)
Piss on Mighty Mouse. Danger Mouse is the shit!!!
[quote]sugarfree wrote:
Superman is always overcoming great planners.[/quote]
- In every instance good shall triumph over evil and the criminal punished for his misdeeds.
(Standards of the Comics Code Authority,
Code For Editorial Matter, General Standards Part A)
Don’t take this seriously. Look at the following:
-
All characters shall be depicted in dress reasonably acceptable to society.
-
Females shall be drawn realistically without exaggeration of any physical qualities.
Yeah, right…
(Source: Seanbaby.com - Comics Code Authority Transcription)
[quote]SWR-1240 wrote:
The Mage wrote:
SWR-1240 wrote:
Mighty Mouse is unstoppable!
Underdog kicks Mighty Mouse’s ass.
Not a chance!
Underdog is just a cartoon.
He’s not real.[/quote]
You win! The neighbors are probably wondering something like, “What is that idiot next door cackling about?!”
Huge out loud laugh on that one.