If someone ended an mdrol (superdrol) about 4 weeks ago, went straight to nolva for pct for 3 weeks after that. They have been off of nolvadex for 1 week and off of mdrol for 4 weeks…would they test positive on say march 1st?
I imagine the biggest consequence regarding a positive test for superdrol is that it would reveal the subject to be a sucker.
Sorry, couldnt help it. I can’t actually give you a straight answer because I’m clueless about the the compound’s metabolites.
Im not sure what kind of test we are talking about here.
Superdrol is legal.
Superdrol is a fast acting oral, it should clear the system within a week or less.
Superdrol isnt generally tested for in anything but athletic competitions.
A normal drug test will not detect superdrol.
I could go on, but I think you get the idea.
Unless your a professional athlete under a governing body that specifically bans superdrol, its fine to use, possess, sell, have sex with, whatever you want.
[quote]chillain wrote:
I imagine the biggest consequence regarding a positive test for superdrol is that it would reveal the subject to be a sucker.
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Lol, nah, superdol = methyldrostanolone, aka 17-methylated masteron. It’s very real stuff, if you’re suggesting that he wasted his monies.
OP, what sort of test is this? NCAA-related? If it’s a typical employment test then this is a NON-ISSUE.
Wrt SD, it should be undetectable long before March. Masteron, and I presume SD, don’t linger around like deca. It should be gone within 2 weeks of use or less. Make it 3 weeks if you err your friend is nervous.
If it is a sport-related drug test, nolva would be banned as well. I’ve never heard of a positive test for it. I believe the half-life is roughly a week or less for most of the SERMs & AI.
So, probably not going to be tested for… and even if it is, should be just fine.
[quote]whotookmyname wrote:
chillain wrote:
I imagine the biggest consequence regarding a positive test for superdrol is that it would reveal the subject to be a sucker.
Lol, nah, superdol = methyldrostanolone, aka 17-methylated masteron. It’s very real stuff, if you’re suggesting that he wasted his monies.
OP, what sort of test is this? NCAA-related? If it’s a typical employment test then this is a NON-ISSUE.
Wrt SD, it should be undetectable long before March. Masteron, and I presume SD, don’t linger around like deca. It should be gone within 2 weeks of use or less. Make it 3 weeks if you err your friend is nervous.
If it is a sport-related drug test, nolva would be banned as well. I’ve never heard of a positive test for it. I believe the half-life is roughly a week or less for most of the SERMs & AI.
So, probably not going to be tested for… and even if it is, should be just fine.
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It is a WADA based test…and it is not for employment.
Gotcha. It’ll still be ok even though they do test for SD (it’s called either “methasteron” or “methasterone” on their list).
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[quote]whotookmyname wrote:
Gotcha. It’ll still be ok even though they do test for SD (it’s called either “methasteron” or “methasterone” on their list).[/quote]
I have read that nolva has a relatively long half life…around a week…thats what I’m afraid of :(…
[quote]facko wrote:
whotookmyname wrote:
Gotcha. It’ll still be ok even though they do test for SD (it’s called either “methasteron” or “methasterone” on their list).
I have read that nolva has a relatively long half life…around a week…thats what I’m afraid of :(…[/quote]
You asked about a hypothetical March 1 test though, and said that the nolva was done with a week ago. I don’t see the problem given those facts.
[quote]whotookmyname wrote:
facko wrote:
whotookmyname wrote:
Gotcha. It’ll still be ok even though they do test for SD (it’s called either “methasteron” or “methasterone” on their list).
I have read that nolva has a relatively long half life…around a week…thats what I’m afraid of :(…
You asked about a hypothetical March 1 test though, and said that the nolva was done with a week ago. I don’t see the problem given those facts.
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Truthfully? I mean just take say one 20mg dose of nolva…remembering there is a 7 day half life …that doesn’t even reduce to 10mg for a week than another week to 5 then another week to 2.5 etc etc…now of course given the half life and the duration I used there had to be a build up of nolva…
[quote]facko wrote:
whotookmyname wrote:
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Truthfully? I mean just take say one 20mg dose of nolva…remembering there is a 7 day half life …that doesn’t even reduce to 10mg for a week than another week to 5 then another week to 2.5 etc etc…now of course given the half life and the duration I used there had to be a build up of nolva…[/quote]
I’m still confident that you’ll be fine, and you should be too. First, the anecdotal evidence… I mean, find me a single instance of an NCAA athlete getting nabbed for a SERM. Maybe if you look hard enough you can find an example… but I’ve yet to seen one.
I’ve only seen three papers discussing detection of SERMS via GC/MS (only one since 2004) and they made no attempt to detect ultrafaint samples, as they were still focused primarily on establishig fingerprints for unique metabolites. I think that it’s a fair assumption that the test has average sensitivity at best.
7 days is at the longer estimate of tamox’s elimination half-life range. I’ve seen 5 to 6 days bandied about, too; these are generally hard to estimate due to biological differences and small sample sizes anyway. But even if it’s 7 days, from Jan 7 or so to March 1 is at slightly more than 7 weeks… 7+ half-lives.
The decay curve would be pretty drawn out after 7 weeks [(conc after 7 wks) = (conc at end of cycle)*e[1]. You might have 10mg total in your whole body. Three weeks, yeah I’d worry, four weeks… longshot, five weeks… only if you have unbelievably bad luck. Six or more weeks? No way, don’t even worry about it.
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(-ln2/half-life)(time in half lives) ↩︎
Cool decay curve equation for half lives. What does In2 mean and can you do one example plugging in a scenario?
Thanks…
[quote]whotookmyname wrote:
facko wrote:
whotookmyname wrote:
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Truthfully? I mean just take say one 20mg dose of nolva…remembering there is a 7 day half life …that doesn’t even reduce to 10mg for a week than another week to 5 then another week to 2.5 etc etc…now of course given the half life and the duration I used there had to be a build up of nolva…
I’m still confident that you’ll be fine, and you should be too. First, the anecdotal evidence… I mean, find me a single instance of an NCAA athlete getting nabbed for a SERM. Maybe if you look hard enough you can find an example… but I’ve yet to seen one.
I’ve only seen three papers discussing detection of SERMS via GC/MS (only one since 2004) and they made no attempt to detect ultrafaint samples, as they were still focused primarily on establishig fingerprints for unique metabolites. I think that it’s a fair assumption that the test has average sensitivity at best.
7 days is at the longer estimate of tamox’s elimination half-life range. I’ve seen 5 to 6 days bandied about, too; these are generally hard to estimate due to biological differences and small sample sizes anyway. But even if it’s 7 days, from Jan 7 or so to March 1 is at slightly more than 7 weeks… 7+ half-lives.
The decay curve would be pretty drawn out after 7 weeks [(conc after 7 wks) = (conc at end of cycle)*e[1]. You might have 10mg total in your whole body. Three weeks, yeah I’d worry, four weeks… longshot, five weeks… only if you have unbelievably bad luck. Six or more weeks? No way, don’t even worry about it.
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Thanks man
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[quote]Dynamo Hum wrote:
Cool decay curve equation for half lives. What does In2 mean and can you do one example plugging in a scenario?
Thanks…[/quote]
Crap, someone called me on it 
A biological half-life is based on the body’s ability to eliminate a compound, which is a function of absorption and then elimination into some various bodily pools and subsequent elimination from the body. Functions like this resolve based on natural log equations (ie. base e rather than base 10), so a constant describing a particular elimination half-life will be something like
constant = ln 2 / time (half-life) life), or K(elim)=0.693/t(1/2).
Working things out and using a rough starting value of 120 mg nolva at the end of PCT (not sure why I have that number in my head… may be brolore, may be science), we go with: Amt March 1 = 120* e^ -(0.693/7 days)(49 days)—> Amt Mar 1 = 120* 2.718^-(0.693*7)—> Amt Mar 1 = 120 * 0.00782… —> = 0.938 mg.
So assuming no dumbass mistake by me, there is actually less than one mg in the body after 7 half-lives.
This is diluted throughout the body… so when it comes to testing, one would need to consider the various pools (blood ~ 6L; urine, which is the compartment being sampled I assume; excrement, where a lot of tamox ends up :)). There would be constants associated with transfer between each of those pools… who knows what they are. The overall half-life involves all of these half-lives, but it’s just a guestimate based on observation.
Hope that helps. I’ve spent too much time in school, various chem, bio and mol gen labs and so forth, and helped people with testing, but I’m no particular authority. I definitely know when to call it quits with the math, though 
Thanks buddy. I appreciate your explanation.