[quote]SteelyD wrote:
My God, this is a depressing thread.
Not what I thought it would be.
I was hoping more for:
“If I’m going to off myself, should I do it in a way that’s easy for family/friends to clean up, or should I float myself down a river”… or something like that.
Would it be rude to borrow someone’s gun and ammo to take yourself out? Do you leave a few bucks for the ammo that you used?
I always clean the guns that I borrow-- it’s polite. how do you do that when your head is missing?
My wife would be pissed if I got blood all over her carpet.[/quote]
I think the proper etiquette in that case is to lay a tarp down beforehand or blow your head off in the back yard. If you do it inside, I think that it is only fitting to turn up the air conditioner… decomposing bodies smell up the place.
You could leave money for your friend to get his gun cleaned.
Plus, a gift certificate to the local gun shop might be in order.
Now, if it’s my own gun, I’d probably leave a few bucks to get it cleaned anyway. Plus gas money.
I’ve often thought a good way to take myself out would be to have a gig at a pool party and jump in the pool hooked up to the P/A.
Maybe take a bunch of people out with me. That might be considered rude, though, so maybe wait until everyone’s out.
Here’s a question-- if you notify someone before you take yourself out, say by hanging, do you tell them that there is a body in apartment so-and-so, or that there will be a body? I think if you say is, like it already happened, people will remain a little calmer.
Do you leave a ‘thank you’ note for whoever cleans up the mess? Maybe a gift certificate to Appleby’s or some such…
[quote]eremesu wrote:
being suicidal is not just having a bad life, what it really is about is thinking/knowing that the future is going to be the same or worse. ambrose bierce had a great quote in the devils dictionary about how everybody is so naively optimistic for their future, and they are, otherwise they would have killed themselves. and i am really glad for vicomte, that he get pleasure from keeping his mind occupied with meaningless tasks until he dies of natural causes. because that is life isnt it?[/quote]
When did I ever say it was meaningless? if you read my post, you’ll find I imply they are incredibly meaningful, hence my wanting to do them. It’s all meaningful, as it’s all we have.
[quote]eremesu wrote:
you said it is meaningful, i say it is not[/quote]
What are afraid of then? Off yourself. I’d rather be optimistic and wrong then a hypocritical coward. If your logic is so strong, and your belief so certain, you wouldn’t be making posts, you woud be dead. I’m certain that living is the right thing to do, and I do it. You are certain death is the better option, yet you cannot follow through. While we are speaking philosophically, what does this say about you? Sure, it may have no meaning, but conclusions, albeit meaningless, can still be reached and learned from. Tell me, then, why are you still alive?
If I had a “friend” like that, I would happily assists the idiot in his suicide.
What? You wanna blow your head off? You can borrow my 12ga. I’ll even throw in some 00 buckshot.
Wanna hang yourself? Looky here! Here’s some rope and there’s a tall oak tree right over there. Do I need to hang around and push the chair out from under you?
What?! Poison?! Name it!
If you can’t tell, I’m all for letting idiots out of this world.
[quote]Christine wrote:
I think the proper etiquette in that case is to lay a tarp down beforehand or blow your head off in the back yard. If you do it inside, I think that it is only fitting to turn up the air conditioner… decomposing bodies smell up the place.
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Don’t blow your head off inside. That is horrible for a family member or friend to find, much less clean up. There are services that will clean that kind of stuff, but often it is a family member who ends up doing the job. Not pleasant. Cutting one’s wrists (the proper way) while in the bath is reasonably clean. Make sure to call the authorities and let them know you are about to bleed out, so there isn’t a long delay in finding the body, and there is a phone record that you did kill yourself and there was no foul play involved. Don’t call before you make the cut.
You don’t want to leave a smell, nor do you want someone close to you to find your body. It isn’t a bad idea to do it in the woods, but I would still worry that a child might find the body. And of course, you want to make sure that all your affairs are in order, including a will, keeping in mind that insurance will not pay out for suicides. So you want to make sure that if you own property (like a house) that comes with debt, that there is money in reserve for the person who inherits it, so that they will be able to pay the mortgage while they are fixing it up for sale (or whatever they choose to do with it). Make sure you have money set aside for a funeral. Whatever you do, make sure that no one incurs a financial cost for your death beyond the emotional cost (which is inevitable).
The act in itself only has meaning to the one performing the act. It is our own selfish greed that does not let the act to simply be observed for what it is - the end of a life. By choice or otherwise it is simply the end of an existence.
It happens every second of everyday.
I would tell him I would hate to see him go but it really is not up to me. It is my posistion only to help the willing. No matter how faint that signal may be to detect. Not everyone wants help.
[quote]nephorm wrote:
Christine wrote:
I think the proper etiquette in that case is to lay a tarp down beforehand or blow your head off in the back yard. If you do it inside, I think that it is only fitting to turn up the air conditioner… decomposing bodies smell up the place.
Don’t blow your head off inside. That is horrible for a family member or friend to find, much less clean up. There are services that will clean that kind of stuff, but often it is a family member who ends up doing the job. Not pleasant. Cutting one’s wrists (the proper way) while in the bath is reasonably clean. Make sure to call the authorities and let them know you are about to bleed out, so there isn’t a long delay in finding the body, and there is a phone record that you did kill yourself and there was no foul play involved. Don’t call before you make the cut.
You don’t want to leave a smell, nor do you want someone close to you to find your body. It isn’t a bad idea to do it in the woods, but I would still worry that a child might find the body. And of course, you want to make sure that all your affairs are in order, including a will, keeping in mind that insurance will not pay out for suicides. So you want to make sure that if you own property (like a house) that comes with debt, that there is money in reserve for the person who inherits it, so that they will be able to pay the mortgage while they are fixing it up for sale (or whatever they choose to do with it). Make sure you have money set aside for a funeral. Whatever you do, make sure that no one incurs a financial cost for your death beyond the emotional cost (which is inevitable).[/quote]
That is really well thought out.
I also think that it would be nice to leave a note. People like the illusion of closure. Something simple that doesn’t blame the suicide on anyone.
[quote]Christine wrote:
I also think that it would be nice to leave a note. People like the illusion of closure. Something simple that doesn’t blame the suicide on anyone. [/quote]
Suicide notes are just so morbid, not to mention cliche. They give physical and symbolic form to the death that would not be otherwise present.
I’m not sure they really provide closure, either. Suicide is already an unanswerable act, and suicide notes are an unanswerable argument; you get to make your case, but preclude others from responding to it.
[quote]dday wrote:
I’d bang his wife/girlfriend in front of him, if he still wants to pull the trigger more power to him, I got to nail his woman.[/quote]
I change my answer.
THIS is what I’d do. Not viciously attack him.
Nothing like getting sexually pwned to make you want to live for revenge.
[quote]nephorm wrote:
Christine wrote:
I also think that it would be nice to leave a note. People like the illusion of closure. Something simple that doesn’t blame the suicide on anyone.
Suicide notes are just so morbid, not to mention cliche. They give physical and symbolic form to the death that would not be otherwise present.
I’m not sure they really provide closure, either. Suicide is already an unanswerable act, and suicide notes are an unanswerable argument; you get to make your case, but preclude others from responding to it.[/quote]
What about a billboard? But something short like “Don’t worry, it wasn’t your fault”, or “…hey, I wonder if this gun is loaded…”
[quote]Otep wrote:
dday wrote:
I’d bang his wife/girlfriend in front of him, if he still wants to pull the trigger more power to him, I got to nail his woman.
I change my answer.
THIS is what I’d do. Not viciously attack him.
Nothing like getting sexually pwned to make you want to live for revenge.[/quote]
I just laughed out loud in my office after reading this. Hilarious.
If he’s so interested in the experience of life and death first he should kill somethings. A bunch of animals maybe like a deer. Ya know shoot it so it doesn’t die and then slowly slit its throat so he sees what it’s like to watch the life drain out of something.
Or maybe you should recommend doing what they did in flatliners. Bring him closer and closer to the edge of death thats an experiance because dead is dead what about the inbetweens?
Also if he offed himself I’m sure the best way to do it would be to put a tarp over his bed and od just take a bunch of pills and go to sleep. Plus all living beings animals and such shit when they die right? The tarp would help that. Maybe douse himself in cologne so he wont reek that bad.
Or just call dr kavorkian he can help. well not right now but euthanasia should be available for people that have problems and just suffer throughout life.
Also the shotgun method is a good way to go but it’s not 100%. My gf once worked in a pharmacy giving out prescriptions and she had to give pain medication to a suicide failure. Dude put a shot gun to his face and lived although he lost his mouth his nose and one eye. That’s a horrible thing to live through.
[quote]nephorm wrote:
Christine wrote:
I also think that it would be nice to leave a note. People like the illusion of closure. Something simple that doesn’t blame the suicide on anyone.
Suicide notes are just so morbid, not to mention cliche. They give physical and symbolic form to the death that would not be otherwise present.
I’m not sure they really provide closure, either. Suicide is already an unanswerable act, and suicide notes are an unanswerable argument; you get to make your case, but preclude others from responding to it.[/quote]
Although I agree with your thoughts regarding the note, I still think that proper etiquette dictates that a hand written note in your very best penmanship is in order here.
analog_kid wrote:
If someone is serious about offing themselves, you will hear about it when you find the body. Any other scenario they are just looking for sympathy. Not to say they aren’t probably calling out for help too. If someone tells you they are going to commit suicide, it’s probably because they want you to stop them.
Disagree. One of my best friends in high school had a friend who was always melodramatic and giving hints here and there of suicide. The guy blew his fucking head off with a shotgun. My friend was the one who found his body. He was never quite the same after all that.[/quote]
I suppose it’s not quite an exact science. My parent’s friend’s son also blew his head off with a shotgun. We went camping with them a few months before he did it. This was years ago(I was about 8 or 9, he was in high school), but I remember him being kind of like a practical joker, always cracking jokes, and seemed like a perfectly happy high school kid. Then one day his dad came home and found him in the bathroom with a hole in his head. I still don’t think they know why he did it. No note, his friends didn’t know anything.
[quote]Christine wrote:
Although I agree with your thoughts regarding the note, I still think that proper etiquette dictates that a hand written note in your very best penmanship is in order here. [/quote]
I don’t know… my chirography is horrendous. It would be like inflicting a double wound.
“Hey, I killed myself. Here’s a barely legible note explaining myself. Hope you brought glasses and a magnifying glass. Ta!”