I gotta say: trying to “no true Scotsman” a true Scotsman is an interesting gambit.
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I just don’t get it
I actually submitted and agreed with the initial post when I could have just doubled down.
I actually agree with Hank on a lot of things and genuinely believe we come from the same place ideologically
I appreciate the Eastern European honesty
In saying that, coming into someone’s log and challenging them to fit within their ideal of true hard work seems a bit off and sinister
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Damn, man, im sorry if it seems like that to you. I hope everyone who has read what i wrote here reads this also.
I am sorry if what i write looked like im shitting on @ChongLordUno or challenging him.
No.
Let me explain…
What i want is… is to get conditioned. And you are the guy who has the most knowledge in this field, or at least seems to have experience.
What i do from my perspective is - i have my methods, but i am not sure about em. At least - i am not sure if yours are not better. So what im doing is, instead of wasting time and being all around the place, i come the person who i believe knows the most about this, and i ask questions or i question your ideas. Not because i want to shit on you, but because you have a method, and i challenge the method to understand it.
I dont come at you as i am better. I want everyone to understand this point - i come here, and i ask stuff and i intellectually challenge you to discussions as student would a teacher.
I know you dont give a shit about me, but sadly - i give a shit about your methods, mine, and comparing them. I love a dialogue that might end with me learning new stuff, trying new stuff and being better at the end. For some reason you see me attacking you, altho all i ever did was - asked questions hoping you would say : “no, you are wrong because…[reasons]” and maybe i would find those reasons life changing for me.
Sure, if you dont want to - i understand, but at this time the most important thing is that no one here thinks i want to somehow challenge you physically. I want to discuss our opposite ideas of the same goal.
If you dont care to, its fine, then just say so and ill never post anything here again. But i would be happy if we could test a few things, discuss something and maybe come up with something cool.
So clear up todays talk :
**1)**You posted a HIIT video. My understanding is that it cant be HIIT if you finish as strong after 30mins as you did at start,. Your opinion differs, which is cool, i respect that.
**2)**Now i would like to know, if you think the WOD i posted, can also be done in the same way you did your video? Because i cant do it, so it basically means my conditioning is garbage, which is fine.
**3)**In the WOD i posted, if you do all the exercises super clean, you still have like 15 sec time left in the first round. If you move a bit faster, be a bit more sloppy you have 20 sec left. My problem is that as the rounds go ahead, the time left is less and less and you end up actually sprinting through every movement to squeeze in the movements. Thats me, thats my shit conditioning and the shit conditioning of everyone i know.
So when you claim that HIIT can be done for 30 minutes with the exact same time left in the last round as it was done in the first round… i just want you to try it and tell me - are you sure?
Because if you are, you are very well conditioned and i just need to work more.
If no, then maybe we can come up with some ideas.
I understand you might not even want to try anything outside the stuff you regulary do because it came from me and you have developed some dislike towards me because i positioned myself uncorrectly but i would really like you to just once - try that WOD and answer me - if your approach of every rep being the same on last round as it was on first, really goes through on that hell of a WOD? Because it should. Its HIIT. Its 30mins. It even has mostly same movements you do.
Again, its not a challenge. That is my goal, i would like to be able to do that, so I am looking up to you and asking - can it be done with your approach? Can you do it? Do i just need more work?
EDIT - you have to understand that in a debate “me vs you” i am rooting for you. I would love nothing more to do workouts like you do and continue to gain size. Or become more and more explosive and be able to punch as hard in the 3rd minute as i can in the 1st.
Cuz i like the stuff you do. But i need to understand it with my “logic” side of the brain. I do challenge you to a debate of some sort, but when i do it, i actually hope you win it, because that means i could be able to do what i find very cool.
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This is interesting, as I’ve tried all of these type of protocols. You both have a great training history and are both satisfied with your results, so this is more of a “devil is in the details” argument.
I think what Hank is saying is that doing a sheer number of things for a longer period of time is really a feat of endurance and not HIIT. Doing 500 burpees in a similar form is more akin to being able to sustain an impressive pace of swimming, running, rowing, etc… which is much different than going all out for a short time, followed by a recovery, and repeating.
I have recently done a dip dive into Crossfit, and the workouts that @ChongLordUno does are what are referred to (at least in my gym) as “chippers”, where you must keep a sustained effort for a longer period of time. The ultimate example of this is the Murph, but there are many others (like Cindy). These are right up my alley, too.
Then there are very short ones that involve all-out efforts. These would be things like pairing relatively heavy deadlifts or cleans with something like airdyne sprints, box jumps, muscle ups, etc… These may last something like 4-11 minutes. These are very hard, as well, but require a different type of training and mindset.
I personally agree that doing a high volume of a move is not HIIT, and it will invoke a different training response. What happens (as I read above) is that people tend to emphasis the modality that they’re better out (or become better at because they enjoy it). I would look at the two of you, and it does look like Chord is someone that emphasizes more endurance-type training while @hankthetank89 emphasizes more HIIT or shorter/power training. Both are impressive results, and it seems the disagreement is in the terms used.
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Strength is measured in time?
I appreciate your heart felt response
In your honour I did that WOD
Video will be up soon
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To be fair, the debate was centred around a video I uploaded which was in theory, a HIIT workout
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Looking forward to this
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This is amazing, man.
You trully are super well conditioned.
But in this video you proved that you are in a super good shape, but you also kind of proved that what i said after your first video is true - after that one you looked the same as you started, but you can actually see the sweat and redness in the whole head after this one. This is a real HIIT in my opinion. You must admit - the first video was pretty low intensity, wasnt it?
Anyway, well done. Whatever you do, definetly works as i havent seen anyone do this much rounds. Ever.
Now, since similar conditioning is my goal, what would you say gave you the biggest advantage in this WOD?
Like, if i would do 100 navy seals, i dont really feel it transitions well to high intensity of this, or…does it?
For me, doing lots of exercises that are similar, just pump my muscles so much, its the pain that stops my ability to push the cardio limits, thats why i kind of like these types of workouts that dont fuck 1 muscle too hard, and switching exercises works my cardio better. Like the 100 navy seals example - i wouldnt really push the cardio because chest pump would be the limiting factor. But… would you say there is a benefit for this type of conditioning to still to - lets say 1 pumps or navy seals? Cuz if you say there are benefits, imma do em.
You definetly are the best conditioned person i have ever seen and i have given this WOD to fighters and military.
In fact, like some 3 months ago me, and of the the best conditioned persons i know, who is in french legion, were talking about - who the fuck can do 30 rounds of this, haha. Imma send him this video 
You definetly know how to be conditioned.
Now i wonder if you were right about burpees being able to build muscle size also. Crazy.
I got out of bed in the night to watch this and write this… I am really excited about the amount of awesomness of this.
I dont think ill be able to sleep tonight because of how amazing this was.
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A few things…
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Do any of you actually watch other videos each other working out? Not just flip it on for a few seconds to get the gist of something, but actually watch it?
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I think anyone that trains hard and consistently is worthy of praise. That said, I’m surprised @hankthetank89 picked this challenge. Looking at it, it seems exactly the thing that high rep burpees would prepare one for. It seems analogous to me critiquing an aspect of @T3hPwnisher 's training, then challenging him to pick up something heavy a bunch of times in a short timeframe.
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I still don’t like burpees.
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First and foremost @hankthetank89 i want to thank you for your earlier response. It kind of took me by surprise and I realised that my ego got in the way.
Once I read it, I was like ‘fuck this, I’m going to show this guy’.
I’m not going to lie, it pushed me hard. The video you speak of was just an idea in my head and as I’ve alluded to, I think I got the exercise selection wrong. I thought that pushing 1 pump burpees would take me there but to be honest, they’re so easy to me that they could only get me past the 160 boom mark.
This on the other hand was more relentless. Minimal rest periods combined with the stress that was consuming me because I knew I had to do this to prove the effectiveness of my training style
In response to your questions. I think the limiting factor isn’t ‘chest pumps’. I think it’s your mental endurance and your ability to push past the pain point when in reality, you should be embracing it. That’s what got me through this one.
Within 10 minutes I was like ‘what the fuck. My HR was in the upper 160s from the offset and I thought how can I sustain this however that os what this training is all about. It’s the ability to embrace the darkness and sustain presence within it.
There are no set burpees you should do.
You need to crush well structured bodyweight routines that test your mental endurance.
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I never watch full routines. The only ones I would watch are Iron Wolf Long Cards and that’s because they have a ton of exercises
The most challenging part of that workout was the V Sits funnily enough because I never do them. I could feel my bones creak and grind getting into position
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Still doing burpees I see. You mad bastard.
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I feel like I saw you do Murph with burpees a while back, I scrolled up but didn’t see it.
Did you sub the 1.6km run for 160 burpees each way?
here
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Good times man, great work!
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Thats completely normal. I have spend years in fighting gyms and i have seen how 1 punch thrown a bit harder by mistake turns to war and a bloodbath between people who are best friends. Thats how it happens. As long as no ones takes it too serious and doesnt start an actual war because of that - its all good.
In fact, i guess this type of natural competition is what drives people like us here. Without that mentality no one of us would even want to do more of anything.
Well, then when i said that you halfassed your HI part of HIIT, i was right and i saw it in your face… but that was also the part that got you mad the most… heh.
As i said, its cool that you did 5-9-12, as it really shows in the video how a person looks, who is really pushing the HIIT.
For now my cardio baseline has gone to shit ever since i gained 22kgs of which i kept like 16. So this WOD feels horrible to me, and i completely undoable, but i really like it, because its super easy to test with… Anyone can do it anywhere.
And yea, the V-Ups suck… by adductors get demolished faster than anything else.
Do you have some simple examples in mind? For someone at current cardio level somewhere in between beginner and intermediate?
I have been sucking air ever since i gained 22kgs and kept like 15 of em, so i probably cant do any of the advanced stuff now.
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That HIIT session wasn’t half assed @hankthetank89 mate. I’ve already explained that my exercise choice was flawed due to how easy I find that movement. I still went full throttle. It’s just a shame that full throttle burpees don’t get me gassed anymore😂
You have to bear in mind as well that there are people who use the routines I put up so even though the session never had the desired HIIT effect for me, it definitely will for a shit ton of folk and that includes you mate 
Here’s a routine for you to start mate
10 1 pumps
10 squats
5 Navy Seal burpees
10 jumping jacks
10 4 count mountain climbers
After every round do
5 chin ups, 10 push ups, 15 squats
10-20 rounds
In fact I might do this one myself😂
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I cant do any pullup/chin up movement tho.just cant. Never been able to. Can bench 4 plates, cant do a pullup. But imma try all the other stuff, probably tomorrow 
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