Stress/Anxiety/Depression & Training

I haven’t read all the comments but if it hasn’t been mentioned before I highly encourage you to look Into adrenal fatigue. Things like muscle weakness and muscle spasms are common symptoms. Look for this book: Adrenal fatigue: the 21st stress syndrome. By dr Wilson. Just Google the book it should be easy to find. The book contains a test a list of symptoms and tons of other Information about it.

Btw the muscle spasms are likely caused by low magnesium levels. Your body burns up magnesium very quickly in periods of stress.

@Yogi: Thank you pal.

@jlutz3: You’re welcome, I am sure you will figure things out man. I believe in lifestyle changes. Walks were huge for me, no music or anything, just getting out somewhere in the woods. I also had taken up painting which helped a lot.

How have you been feeling?

TrevorLPT - thanks for checking in, brother ; update below…

So I just re-read my last post from a few weeks ago and to be honest here, I haven’t done anything I said…That was a Sunday and I had planned and starting a fresh week of working out, motivated and ready to beat this thing. Unfortunately, that next morning I didn’t sleep well and felt absolutely horrible the next morning. This of course lead to me being psyched out in my head and continue onward w/ my spiral (few beers at night, medication, anything to help me cope and sleep). No lifting, walking, healthy eating, medication, etc. Just trying to cope the best I can while working and being the best father/husband I can be → definitely not the best version of me.

I have started the behavioral therapy. I feel a bit better talking to this therapist but my symptoms haven’t relieved. I will say that I do have good days. Sometimes really good days where I forget I’m all F’d up. These will then of course be followed up by some terribly weak days. I’ve started to realize if I don’t sleep well, I feel worse the next day to where if I manage a night w/o waking, I “seem” or “think” I feel a lot better. Not sure if this is even accurate, I just can’t pin-point these symptoms/days. I still have a hard time believing this is due to stress/anxiety and at times don’t believe it. Which of course leads to my head spinning that something worse is wrong w/ me.

Got my spinal MRI done last night ; waiting for results now. My back has been fried lately, especially in the morning where the weakness is at its worst. Pretty scared to be honest but I know I need to go through this process of elimination, especially w/ me not believing the stress thing. Also have an appointment next week w/ a physician again. A different one as the last one I saw did nothing to make me feel better and just wanted to medicate me. I’m basically going to ask for every kind of blood test there is to try and figure what all this could be. The list I have so far goes like this :

  1. chronic fatigue syndrome
  2. adrenal fatigue
  3. lymes disease
  4. low T
  5. cortisol

Any other suggestions I should ask for?

To wrap this up, over the past 5 days I finally quit having a few beers at night, quit the Xanax, melatonin - everything as I want to beat this thing on its own. Finally started stretching and have begun researching meditation. Still confused but I know it’s on me at this point. I need to try and get back in the gym on my good days (even though still weak) and just take this a day at a time.

[quote]jlutz3 wrote:
TrevorLPT - thanks for checking in, brother ; update below…

Any other suggestions I should ask for?

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Lyme disease is hard to accurately test for with traditional Elisa testing, and CDC standard Western blot testing, so if you wanted an actual follow up with that I would suggest seeing a Lyme literate medical doctor aka. LLMD and trying to get testing from the lab in Palo Alto California, called IgeneX.

Adrenal fatigue can happen from many causes as a condition of deregulation of the endocrine and hormone system, sometimes also brain injuries even minor concussions can have an effect on the brain, leading to less bloodflow to the brain.

Triggering hypo perfusion of the brain and feedback of the HPA system/adrenals being wonky. Adrenal deregulation can also happen from chronic infections which Lyme and other things can cause.

Chronic Fatigue Syndrome is often a waste basket diagnosis for doctors and doesn’t help most patients find actual solutions. Real CFS/M.E. has symptoms you have not mentioned, one of the most cardinal signs is PEM, but delayed as opposed to exercise intolerance.

The kind where physical or mental exertion causes a severe worsening of your symptoms but also usually over a 24-48 hour window later. Lyme can mimic or be misdiagnosed as CFS very commonly, as can other things. But real CFS/M.E. is much more rare.

If someone suspects M.E./CFS in its severe form needs to go to a CFS clinic, the other test for it states unrelenting fatigue for over six months, and other vague non specific symptoms which many different hard to diagnosis things can cause.

Another possibility worth looking into is Ebstienn Bar Virus/ Mono, a very common infection, and symptoms as an adult are very disabling. And POTS (porthostatic intolerance). You mentioned getting tested for another illness with a neurologist? How did that go?

Stress, anxiety, and depression can absolutely cause everything you are mentioning but even then it is very important to look into other possibilities to be sure you stay healthy. An undiagnosed chronic infection like Lyme can be deadly.

[quote]jlutz3 wrote:
TrevorLPT - thanks for checking in, brother ; update below…

So I just re-read my last post from a few weeks ago and to be honest here, I haven’t done anything I said…That was a Sunday and I had planned and starting a fresh week of working out, motivated and ready to beat this thing. Unfortunately, that next morning I didn’t sleep well and felt absolutely horrible the next morning. This of course lead to me being psyched out in my head and continue onward w/ my spiral (few beers at night, medication, anything to help me cope and sleep). No lifting, walking, healthy eating, medication, etc. Just trying to cope the best I can while working and being the best father/husband I can be → definitely not the best version of me.

I have started the behavioral therapy. I feel a bit better talking to this therapist but my symptoms haven’t relieved. I will say that I do have good days. Sometimes really good days where I forget I’m all F’d up. These will then of course be followed up by some terribly weak days. I’ve started to realize if I don’t sleep well, I feel worse the next day to where if I manage a night w/o waking, I “seem” or “think” I feel a lot better. Not sure if this is even accurate, I just can’t pin-point these symptoms/days. I still have a hard time believing this is due to stress/anxiety and at times don’t believe it. Which of course leads to my head spinning that something worse is wrong w/ me.

Got my spinal MRI done last night ; waiting for results now. My back has been fried lately, especially in the morning where the weakness is at its worst. Pretty scared to be honest but I know I need to go through this process of elimination, especially w/ me not believing the stress thing. Also have an appointment next week w/ a physician again. A different one as the last one I saw did nothing to make me feel better and just wanted to medicate me. I’m basically going to ask for every kind of blood test there is to try and figure what all this could be. The list I have so far goes like this :

  1. chronic fatigue syndrome
  2. adrenal fatigue
  3. lymes disease
  4. low T
  5. cortisol

Any other suggestions I should ask for?

To wrap this up, over the past 5 days I finally quit having a few beers at night, quit the Xanax, melatonin - everything as I want to beat this thing on its own. Finally started stretching and have begun researching meditation. Still confused but I know it’s on me at this point. I need to try and get back in the gym on my good days (even though still weak) and just take this a day at a time.[/quote]

Do you live in or near a major city? If so, I would seek out a Functional Medicine Dr in your area over a traditional MD. It is unlikely that your MD will test for all of the conditions you listed. Functional Medicine doctors are more able and willing to deal with cases that fall outside of the definitions of an overt disease state, and to deal with things that can’t be fixed with a pill. As an example, I have spoken to MDs who don’t believe that low testosterone is problematic and who refuse to test for any sex hormone measures other than total testosterone. Try to ask a doctor like that about adrenal fatigue and you’ll be laughed out the door.

Thanks guys.

TrevorLPT - I do live near a big city, I’ll definitely have to investigate. Do you have similar experiences?

[quote]jlutz3 wrote:
Thanks guys.

TrevorLPT - I do live near a big city, I’ll definitely have to investigate. Do you have similar experiences?[/quote]

Yes. I was fortunate to find an Internist who would work with me, but it took several years and many attempts with less knowledgeable, less helpful doctors. I have also addressed several of my issues with behavior/ lifestyle modifications and (strangely) physical therapy.

Thanks man.
Do you by any chance have an email or any other way we could link? I’d be interested to hear your story and how you made it out. If you’d like to share here that’s fine too.

Thanks again.

I wish my “story” were more interesting, but this is basically it:

I’ve felt physically lousy since early adolescence. Throughout my teen years, this was accompanied by severe depression so the physical symptoms were written off by everyone, including myself. Fast forward to my early 20s: after a period of personal growth I started to deal with my negative emotions in healthier ways and little by little got to the point where I no longer viewed myself as depressed. In fact, I started to think of myself as (by and large) mentally and emotionally healthy. Despite all of this, I still had a ton of physical symptoms including extreme fatigue, physical weakness, confusion, mental fog, training and diet results disproportionate to the work that I put in, etc. After a few years of having every doctor I saw write these things off as either (a) not real issues or (b) symptoms of depressions or an anxiety disorder, I started doing my own research. Things were getting worse and I knew I had to do something about it.

First I went through a sleep study and was told, essentially, that “you wake up a lot and don’t sleep well, but that’s not a disease so there’s nothing we can do for you.” Fine. Then I ordered a sex-hormone blood panel from a private lab and found some strange values on hormones that doctors had either refused or neglected to test me on previously. So I took these results and about 20 pages printed off of the mayo clinic website about various tests I wanted ordered and made an appointment with a NEW doctor, assuming that I’d basically have to force him to order everything I wanted. To my surprise, this new doctor was remarkably competent and came back with a list of blood tests that he wanted ordered, which matched almost exactly the list which I came in assuming I’d have to fight for. From that test, we identified three primary issues: hypothyroidism, high SHBG, and low free testosterone. (As a side note, my total testosterone came back high-normal due to the high SHBG. In the past, the only hormone test I could convince doctors to order was total testosterone, which always came back normal. This, of course, was a false normal reading, and what they should have been looking at was free testosterone. Idiots.)

Based on this set of tests, my doc put me on thyroid hormone. I felt immediately better. Over the course of about 6 months we dialed in the dose and it made an even bigger difference in how I felt. However, some of my symptoms persisted. My doctor was weary about jumping in to treatment for my low testosterone due to my age and the fact that I had just started taking a moderate dose of another hormone. We agreed to leave that value alone and revisit it later. In the mean time, I started exploring other ways to make myself feel better and came across some very interesting information about the role of the nervous system in the stress response and how chronic, low level stress can cause a sympathetic shift in the nervous system which can effect pretty much every single system and function of your body. I started addressing this issue with many of the techniques I outlined in my initial post to you. My sleep improved, my resting heart rate dropped about 15 BPM, and I felt noticeably better overall.

Now, I hesitate to even mention this part because I realize that it sounds like new age, voodoo nonsense, but it is all based on recognized science that makes sense when someone can explain it well. Unfortunately, I’m not that person. But anyway, a huge part in the above improvement in sleep quality, resting heart rate, and Heart Rate Variability (HRV), came about after I started working with a physical therapist on what I thought were some regular, unrelated orthopedic issues. What I found out, however, was that my body had become locked into a twisted position as a result of, among other things, improper breathing mechanics. And by “twisted,” I mean that my feet literally did not point in the same direction, my pelvis was abducted and oriented to the right, my right rib cage was a different shape than my left, etc. This twisted position made it even harder for me to breath properly, which held me in a chronic state of sympathetic dominance. Working on this problem not only made it so I could squat and deadlift again, got rid of a huge amount of knee and back pain that I had, and fixed the fact that I had been “pigeon toed” since I was a toddler, but caused a marked improvement in my quality of life. I have since started studying this pattern and the science behind it and now see it EVERYWHERE that I look. The number of people walking around with this problem who don’t even realize it is staggering.

There’s more I could say here but I’ll try to wrap it up. As of right now I still don’t feel as good as I think I should, but I feel a whole hell of a lot better than I did a year ago, and for the 12 or so years prior to that. I had a visit with my doc yesterday where we talked about revisiting the free testosterone issue, and I got my blood work for that done this morning. Based on those results, I may have the last piece of this puzzle figured out. So yeah, that’s my story. I hope it helps you in some way.

Has anyone else had any experience with Lymes disease?

[quote]jlutz3 wrote:
Has anyone else had any experience with Lymes disease?[/quote]

I have pretty much read every, and anything on the topic of Lyme disease. If you feel you might be dealing with it your next step would be to schedule an appointment with a lyme literate medical doctor close to your area. They would be able to run the more sensitive tests, and give you ideas on treatment options. If you wanted to use an herbal route you could try something like the Buhner, or Cowden Protocol, again most LLMD’s will also have a knowledge on these protocols and could tell you about the pros and cons of different treatment plans offered. Good luck.

[quote]jlutz3 wrote:
Has anyone else had any experience with Lymes disease?[/quote]

I have pretty much read every, and anything on the topic of Lyme disease. If you feel you might be dealing with it your next step would be to schedule an appointment with a lyme literate medical doctor close to your area. They would be able to run the more sensitive tests, and give you ideas on treatment options. If you wanted to use an herbal route you could try something like the Buhner, or Cowden Protocol, again most LLMD’s will also have a knowledge on these protocols and could tell you about the pros and cons of different treatment plans offered. Good luck.

Update here…

So here I am, 7 months later and still have the weakness. It has even progressed and still no answer or resolutions. I have concentrated on eliminating all stressors in my life and think ive been successful here. I’m to the point of barely being able to walk up a flight of stairs and I’ve fallen a few times to where I am unable to get up by myself without using my hands or prop of some sort. However, I still have days where I am strong, not full strength but I’m able to pick up my 40 lb daughter or walk up stairs w/ ease without using the hand rail…weird.

I went to see a different PCP for a 2nd opinion. This doctor was actually a DO instead of a MD. This doctor diagnosed me with adrenal fatigue. He put me on hydrocortisone, DHEA, pregnenalone and Drenatrophin. 3 months later no progress and weakness has increased. The DO is now stumped and sent me back to neuro. I’ve seen this neuro twice before and she’s the one who diagnosed me w stress/anxiety. I saw her again today - she did some physical exams and I even actually fell when she asked me to do an air/body weight squats. I couldn’t do any, on my way back up my legs just completely gave out and I fell. She has now ordered me to get an EMG but she assured me it’s not muscular dystrophy. I asked her why she thinks that cuz I’ve been pretty freaked out researching all weekend. She said the fact that I have good days and bad days is a good indicator that it’s not MD. She mentioned with MD, this would not be the case. So we will do an EMG and she also referred me to an endocrinologist and infectious disease.

I’ve already been tested for Lymes and mysteania gravis. Both came back negative. I’m also in the process of getting tested for Lymes by Igenix out of CA. I am mad, stressed and frustrated by my state and have had no doctors be able to help me thus far. I will continue to update this log. But is there anything else out there I should be looking at or has anyone had any similar experiences? I feel like I’m chasing my tail here and I’m progressing worse.

Thanks all.

Wow sorry to hear, sounds like a real puzzle.
Next step would maybe be email an MD at somewhere like Yale-Newhaven hospital that takes on exotic cases.
One positive is that your therapists sound like they are genuinely trying to help. Stay strong!

Hey friend, sounds like you went thru hell at work and now its taking a toll. Stay strong, try not to preoccupy your head with all the things you find on the internet. Just wanna send some positive vibes, ull get well for sure.

Multiple Sclerosis.

My mom had the exact same symptoms “Good days and bad days”, slowly progressing weakness, fatigue, loss of muscle coordination, random tremors. It took her about 10 years before she figured out what it was. The defining moment was when my mom was teaching at a local university. She inexplicably fell down a flight of stairs. She was ok from that, but I seem to remember that is when things got bad.