Strategies to lose fat when you're short with a lower TDEE

You are so wise. That is what I have figured out over the years (focus on process not result). It is just hard for me to hold myself to do that. My mind is like a jungle, or a web. There’s thoughts that pop up every second that lead me astray. That’s why I made my log and I’m asking questions here, because you guys seem to know what you’re doing and you can help me be more objective.

I find that my energy level/hunger level really changes depending on my calorie balance. Like I was at 1800 and immediately I stopped walking and moving as much. So it might be pointless for me to go that low anyway. I ate 2400 yesterday and I already have 4000 steps and feel great.

I guess I should just accept I have to go slow because really that’s the only thing that has worked for me since I left my early 20s.

that’s the only thing that has worked for me

This isn’t a “for me” thing: this is a “for we” thing. It applies universally, to all humans.

Montages are sexy and they sell fitness products and P90X workouts, but the truth is that slow change is sustainable and fast change is fleeting. Again: it’s Biggest Loser contestants and bodybuilders that lose fat fast, and both rebound after it is done: bodybuilders are just sometimes better able to control that rebound (but also, often, do so with the benefit of pharmacology).

For the rest of us, if we have to white knuckle to make something work, it only works until we run out of willpower (when, not if), and then we suffer the consequences. You have to, instead, find a method that works for YOU. “Compliance is the science”, ala Stan Efferding, the author of that book you said you were going to buy and read.

I find that my energy level/hunger level really changes depending on my calorie balance.

And again: this isn’t a unique to you thing. This is a human thing. The body is VERY good at preserving itself, and so, when we drastically slash calories, it drastically slashes NEAT, and we tend to be unaware of that until we employ external observation to notice it. We walk less, we sit down more, we use our hands less to talk, tap our feet less, and when you find a bodybuilder deep in prep, you’ll find that they BLINK less.

And the other mean trick the body does is it ADJUSTS to this big calorie drop because it does NOT want to starve. So it downregulates NEAT and other metabolic processes so it can adjust to this new load. So we were starving at 1800 calories and now we’re not losing weight: what do we do now man?! Eat 1400 calories and mega starve? But if we SLOWLY ramp down the food intake, when we hit a stall, we can slowly drop it again and keep from starving ourselves. This has been termed “caloric runway”: you want a LONG one to take off on with a diet.

It is just hard for me to hold myself to do that.

EDIT: Meant to comment on this, but Dan John has a great tip for this.

Get yourself an old school calendar that you hang on a wall. Get a red and a green marker. On the days you meet ALL the objectives, circle that day in green. On the days you miss an objective, X through it in red.

You will get addicted to racking up those green circles in a row.

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Thanks for the info. It makes it clearer to know it’s not just me being weak willed or whatever. I think when I was younger I was less stressed overall due to less responsibilities and less time for the world to beat me down so I could will power through a hard deficit (at least for a while). But now I don’t have the fire to do that.

I like the calendar idea. I will do that. Thanks

I remember even the great Arnold, who favorably compared his workouts to sex, writing about his version of a logbook in the “Encyclopedia”: he would put one slash for all the sets he was supposed to do, and then cross through them as he completed them (so each complete set became an X). He got “immense satisfaction” from seeing the page fill with X’s. Human beings are dopamine-addicted to task achievement; this stuff works

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I’m so upset, as I meant to post this analogy yesterday and forgot, only to find it on my facebook feed, so here it is

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I’m stealing that.

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Thanks. That is a good analogy.

Is it bad if I do zone 2 cardio after lifting? I read that it deactivates mtor so it stops muscle growth. That sounds stupid to me but I dont know.

Yup.

I’ll start doing it and see if I notice anything negative. It’s just 30 minutes of incline walking

I haven’t done zone 2 in a couple weeks and my fitness level is already noticeably decreased. So hopefully doing it after lifting is ok because I am finding it hard to motivate myself to do it on it’s own day

I can’t find the article but Dr. Lonnie Lowrie said that that happens when you do cardio BEFORE lifting.

And Thib said that cardio after lifting is better for glycogen depletion and mobilizing fatty acids in the bloodstream.

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Haha. There’s always conflicting things being said. It probably just doesn’t matter

They’re both agreeing that cardio after lifting is better.

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It is. No hope required

That would be a great anti-planet fitness gym logo.

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Right on. I’m on the treadmill now

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