@dixiewrecked @Madagascarspirit @swoops39
I just got my lab results for testosteron:
testosterone
11.2 nmol/l Reference 8.64 - 29.00
What does this mean ?
Could you please confirm your HCG dosing schedule
Was the blood taken in the morning?
How often do you mix your HCG?
What age are you?
Youāre taking HCG right? No breaks before the blood test? If so it would suggest a low response
I mixed the last HCG bottle about 1 month ago
I used HCG the last 2 months during TRT @ 350iu EOD.
I stopped Test and continue HCG only for 2.5 week 350iu EOD and then 2 weeks increased it to 500iu EOD (so 4.5 weeks hcg only total)
I could maybe sometime missed a dose and had 1 more day between
last 2 doses before bloodwork there was also 1 extra day between dose because it was the last bottle and 400iu
Bloodwork was done in the morning
These were my results for HCG only for 4 weeks.
I was mixing a new bottle every week 2000 IU per bottle. It seems HCG becomes less potent after a while. I used to mix it monthly but noticed it didnāt work as well hence the switch. I was also taking 300IU daily and only went to 500IU in the last week.
I donāt think you were taking enough HCG and that it had also lost some of its potency. The missed dose at the end would have affected your results too.
The test levels are low but i think you are committed to this now and can move to a SERM.
Ok thanks for advice
So I have nolvadex aswell as Clomid here.
Would u recommend starting nolvadex at like 20mg ED or is 10mg ED enough ?
Could it have any benefits to take a low dose Clomid together at the same time ?
Thereās mixed opinions on this. The body building community have typically used Nolvadex for 4 weeks with a dosing schedule of 40/40/20/20. This seems to be effective for many. Thatās what I chose to do as I wanted to feel as though I had gave a restart my best shot and not under-dosed. Iāve added a further 2 weeks of Nolvadex tapering down as Iām keen to avoid e2 rebound.
I donāt think you need to clomid personally.
What I would say is continue taking HCG for another week after you start Nolvadex so itās already started working when you come off. My hormones dipped in week two and it wasnāt great. Numb dick etc. Low e2 is horrible. I recovered in week 3 so it only lasted a week which wasnāt too bad. I feel I could have reduced this crash by starting SERM before coming off HCG as itās been shown that LH and FSH increase even while on TRT with SERMs.
1,000 iu HCG weekly. Can split doses
Just a update,
I am following yours advice and also @dixiewrecked for the detailed plan he wrote.
I am now a little over 2 weeks completely without hcg and on 20mg nolvadex and 12.5mg clomid
I donāt feel any real differences yet between when on Testosteron + HCG , only HCG and now.
Maybe it will still come.
In about 6 days I will do the bloodwork like @dixiewrecked told me ,
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Sounds positive. Stick with, get the blood work and take it from there. Good luck
Awesome man. @cmx I am eager to hear how it turns out. Hoping the best for you.
@Madagascarspirit @dixiewrecked
I was some time away so it is some time ago but this are the lab results after a little over 4 weeks pct (was harder to make lab test appointment due to corona)
LH 4.4 IU/L (reference 1.7 - 8.6)
FSH 3.4 IU/L (reference 1.5 - 12.4)
testosteron 26.7 nmol/l (reference 8.64 - 29)
What can you say about these results ?
Did you get e2 and SHBG? Those 3 numbers are good but only tell part of the tale.
How do you feel?
Right after your SERM? Could be the meds still in your system and propping your numbers up. Youād want to get labs a few weeks after stopping them
Good job on the bloodwork. No. Need to test SHBG or e2 because the serm will throw those off. You just wanted to see if your brain and balls are working which it appears they are.
Swoops and Madagascar are rightā¦ Next step is bloodwork a few weeks after stopping the serm. A more comprehensive panel. I think Iād continue the serm a couple more weeks to try to get your FSH and LH a little higher before stopping.