From what I understand yes it will rise just like test but is no harm as the receptors that are creating the negatives are blocked. Physio actually used it rather than an AI with him and his patients from what I understand. That way no negatives from the e2 but still had some of the positives like lubricating the joints. If you had symptoms though that is neither here nor there. Carry on.
@sa22c I see what you mean by high E2 symptoms now I’ve been having them for the past 3 days I’m just waiting for labs to come back to confirm. If it is high I’m gonna use DIM
Why would you not use SERM with HCG? Tamoxifen does not suppress LH and its encouraged to be used with HCG to keep it from desensitizing you to natural LH. You can start tamoxifen while blasting your HCG at the end of your cycle and carry it through to the end of your PCT.
No reason to take any type of SERM with HCG it is counterproductive. HCG mimics the LH signal, so although it stimulates the leydig cells in the testes it is suppressive to the pituitary, regarding LH.
So HCG is partially suppressive. So you are taking a SERM to stimulate the pituitary and you are taking HCG which suppresses the pituitary. It doesn’t make sense.
BTW desensitization from HCG is a myth, it does not occur clinically
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Appreciate all your input on this thread.
I had to secure some nolva prior to coming off test as my doctor wanted me to go cold turkey and wouldn’t prescribe it to me. I had my last shot a week ago and am considering increasing the HCG now to get the boys working and then testing my levels in 4 weeks to see where I’m at. If I get a decent result I was planning to then jump on the nolva for a six week taper. What are you thoughts? Have I missed something?
Yeah brother. I’m on about 0.25mgs of anastrozole E2D or E3D. I never had to use it so much on TRT. Without it I’d be a mess. It’s all about a good balance of T to E. Just gotta be careful not to lower Estrodial too much or you won’t feel well at all. Just use the hard stuff bro. DIM will wreak havoc on ya restart IMO. It’s a misguided drug imo. I’ll be getting bloods in about 10 days too roughly 
, Hope you’re doing well.
These are my labs after 10 days of 40mg of Nolva. I expected better outcomes with number because when I was on climid for one week I was in about the 700 level range. But its been almost 2 weeks on 40mg of Nolva and im still pretty low. I don’t know what’s going on. So I will say this my errection have been was better sense starting Nolva and me libido has been a lot better. I been able to have sex 3 times in one day for the first time in years. Here is my major problem that im facing though. Im having crazy nite sweats and I am EXTREMELY tired all the freakin time and I don’t know why because I defiantly sleep more then 8hr every nite
Hopefully @increasemyt can chime in for me
I forgot to say that’s 40mg everyday
Give it a few more weeks. I’m no expert but nolva will gradually continue to raise your TT the longer you’re on it. It will eventually get to a point of course where that is it, but it wouldn’t be after 2 weeks.
E2 is fairly low, but still within “range”. That’s on no DIM?
Thats good, but low e2 can cause night sweats.
Bro tbh I went through all this a couple of weeks ago. I had crazy night sweats, I couldn’t tolerate cold weather at all. I thought it was that flu but could also be body just transitioning from exogenous test to normal functionality.
I’m always up n down atm. Feel hectic, then have a weird anxiety I’ve never had before, etc etc. Night sweats gone for me, energy is OK but I crash early n have been sleeping straight after work some days. Don’t expect too much too early.
My libido is good. Always has been, even with low T before TRT. Don’t stress on numbers. Keep going and see how you feel in coming weeks.
Nolva so far for me is good, itchyness has disapated, seem to farting all day and night, so its keeping me a bit blocked up, but yeah I’m doing OK. Hope you feel better with more time
I mite switch over to clomid. If that is possible in a middle of a restart.
Fair enough brother. You do as you feel. I’m not dissing ya. But I think you’re jumping the gun a bit too early. You’re gunna end up back on shots before you know it lol.
I’m getting bloods in 6 days. That will be just under 4 weeks on nolva and 5 and a half weeks off of test. So we can compare if you’d like and see where my TT levels are to yours.
Nolva doesn’t do it for some, you may be one of those. Try hack it out for 1 more week and see how you feel. Obtain clomid during that time and switch if you want. They work very similar anyway.
I feel for me, Nolva will have my TT higher then it was before starting TRT. That’s what I’m feeling anyway. See if I’m correct or not soon enough.
With the high e2 symptoms you said you’ve been feeling. It’s interesting your levels are low. So could be other hormones at play but to me that says it’s just directly from the Nolva “the feelings”.
My e2 was raised somewhat just as I got off TRT. Bloods results were on 1 post I created. So I’m keen to compare my own e2 readings when I draw in 6 days. See if my anastrozole dosing has got me where I need to be over the past few weeks. Feels that way atm. Not going to take anymore for a couple of days. Its been 3 days already wout any anastrozole.
Yea I mite be jumping the gun. I’ll try it for one more week and see what happens. I just know with in the first week with clomid I was up pretty fast. I’m definitely going to do what I can to stay away from the shots. I have a appointment tommorw to talk about my options if Nolva is not going to work for me.
But yea I defiantly want to compare labs so make sure when you get the chance if you can post them.
Ive been of Test for 7 weeks and on Nolve for just about two weeks now. I honestly think Im one of those people the Nolva just does not work on.
Im gonna see what the process is for me to switch to climid I don’t know If I have to wait for the Nolva to be completely out of my system first.
I think what I thought was high E2 symptoms was intact Low E2 symptoms.
I see your labs but all I see is FSH and LH
@increasemyt I emailed you
Just start clomid if you feel nolva ain’t doing it and you’ve had experience with clomid before. No need to wait for nolva to clear.
You were on hcg for the first few weeks. Gotta give the SERM at least 6 weeks to see where ya at with it imo. Then after is the real test, once the serm is stopped. That’s my concern for myself. I feel I won’t pump as much test as I am on nolva when I stop. Mind you haven’t got blood on PCT/RESTART yet. Time will tell.
I feel like shit today tbh, real skittish n not myself but you can’t look into to much yet, until all SERM is done and see how you fare after. I know you’re concerned with ya TT results already n you feeling Nolva not doing it for you. But wait a bit more.
My E2 labs are there, (OEST2), that’s estradiol. There’s my starting date 17 sep. And labs in between, and last on 15th July 2019
Do you have any bloodwork lately of e2? I’m keen to know what yours was like 7 weeks ago. So you’ve taken nothing to lower estradiol in the past 2 months?
Yea it seems like the restart failed. You should consider going back to HCG mono therapy. Really make sure this part is done thoroughly because we believe it is the most important part.
Your TT levels are not great but they are not terrible, the low estradiol, LH and FSH values are concerning though.
How long were you on TRT or AAS for? Sorry I forget.
Edit: duh 2 years. Sorry just getting back in the swing with back to school for the kids.
We have seen it take 6 months of HCG for someone who has been on TRT for years.
Jeeze. If my LH was 3.9 on Nolva or after my restart and can hold that level on its own, I’d to be stoked. That would me a success to me. Mine was 2.0 before starting TRT.
Why would his estradiol be so low you think? 2 weeks into a restart of Nolva at 40mgs a day. And coming off 5 weeks of hCG therapy. Do you think Nolva is having an effect on him? The medication doesn’t work for everyone 100% of the time.
His E2 is low because he is not making enough T, so his body is not converting it to E2.
Free T is super low, and although TT is not terrible, all his other levels are suboptimal. If just his TT was low I would say maybe there is a chance.
Also this is right after the Nolva right? He should have much higher levels on Nolva.
Most times when a restart fails it is because the testes are not re-sensitized.