Stockpiled Prescribed Test, Too Scared to Take It. Advice?

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Hey guys, TLDR at bottom.

I’m almost 32 years old. 5’ 9 210 lbs 14-15% BF, Slight visible upper abs, currently cutting a little more to 10-11% is my goal. About 2 years ago I really wanted to do a cycle so I found a place in Florida that had a real doctor and prescribed me from a compound pharmacy a full protocol. Its been sitting in a box for about 2 years so I’m hoping its even still good.

They prescribed me a normal TRT dose so I just paid for my monthly shipments and started stockpiling so I could double down on a real cycle.

At some point reading horror stories online I talked myself out of doing it, mostly because I am not ready to commit to using it for the rest of my life without even have ever experienced it. Also, I don’t want to loose my sex drive, especially long term. I’m not as worried about temporary side facts but the risk of fucking my life up forever keeps me skeptical.

I have decent genetics, I have always carried a lot of muscle and strength even when being a fat junk eating POS, drinking and not training. I do have acne even without gear face/back. Not too bad though. maybe 4 or 5 spots a month.

I am horny all the fucking time, and honestly I don’t have many symptoms of low T other than I’m moody bitch a lot but that could be my personality at this point lol.

I have been a binge drinker (not alcoholic) for most of my 20s. Partying a lot and drinking 2-3 times a week. Not as much these days. Anyways I think that always played a role in my T-Labs. In order to get the script i purposely got smashed the night before and didn’t sleep or eat as they won’t write you a script especially at that age if you are in “normal” levels. I only did this on the most recent test (19).

Here are my T-labs from the last few years. I will take another test soon. I just ordered it.

FT:
11/17 12.9 pg/ml
08/18 15.3 pg/ml Ref Range 9.3-26
05/19 14.6 pg/ml Ref Range 9.3-26

TT:
08/14 447 ng/gl
11/17 445 ng/dl
08/18 362 ng/dl Ref Range 264-916
05/19 353 ng/dl Ref Range 264-916

These are my goals:

Put on about 15-20 lbs of muscle (not in one cycle, just ultimate goal). I’d like to be 220 @ 9% BF sustainable.
Stay Healthy, Keep boner, Limit potential side effects as much as possible.
Stay as hard as possible and not be bloated and puffy walking muscle blimp.
Stay away from massive multi-compound stacks and questionable/advanced gear.

Knowing all this, and that my long term health is extremely important to me, is it worth it to run a 500/mg 8-12 week test only cycle with HCG? What are the odds I fuck myself up? It does give me comfort that it is prescription. I just want to advice from vets on what I can expect to achieve both in results and side effects so I can make an informed decision.

TL;DR

Got prescription Test and supporting gear
Been too pussy to take it cuz don’t want to risk health
I have decent genetics and think a cycle could expedite my progress
Want to get realistic expectations of results and side effects from vets
Also do you guys think my T looks genuinely low where I should be on TRT

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Did the guy who prescribe the test just keep shipping meds with no follow up blood work? Or is that blood work his and he never questioned why you were not improving numbers wise?

I’m already on TRT, from a young age due to many things. I needed it, and I’d never ever want to come off. I’d think that if you have zero symptoms of medically needing TRT then starting wouldn’t be wither best choice.

Another thing I’d think about is recovery from PCT. although your numbers aren’t great at all (assuming morning blood work and excluding the bender blood work), you’re not experiencing any of the effects of low T, which is good! Is 100% bounce back from PCT guaranteed? What if you come back only at 90%? Are you mentally prepared to possibly need TRT in the events you don’t recover?

I’m not an expert by any means, but I would think at your height this is going to be quite the task naturally…

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My initial thought is do an 8 week cycle of 400mg/wk test, followed by a HCG PCT and see if hormones goes back to your set point. My guess is all will be well. Avoid the alcohol as much as you can, as in maybe a social drink or two once a week.

Keep stock piling if you can for a second cycle after 8 weeks off. You might need that time to see where your hormones settle out.

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Could you clarify this?

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The only people who do lasting harm on their first cycle are the ones who do dumb shit and don’t bother to put in even the smallest amount of effort to research what they’re doing.

Your total testosterone levels are already pretty lousy, so running a cycle is probably going to exacerbate that. You should be prepared to be on for life. Frankly being on trt would be enough to get you to your goals if you’re disciplined enough. And your numbers absolutely qualify for trt.

As far as long term health issues, it sounds like you’re not interested in using the drugs that cause those, so that’s less of a concern. And I am baffled whenever someone worries that taking testosterone—the primary male sex hormone—will somehow make their sex drive worse. Remember being a horny teenager? That had a lot to do with having tons of testosterone. So getting your levels back up to that sort of spot is not going to cause a loss of sex drive.

TL;DR is as follows: your numbers are low, a cycle followed by pct may get you back but below baseline, trt is a much better option for you right now

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Let me ask you this, lets say I’m in the top 10% of 32 year olds of T levels. I’m using based on the range that puts you at 800-900. Are you saying starting art and getting into the upper echelon of the natural range would provide performance enhancing effect to a legitimate degree? OR would it Merlyns optimize what it theoretically genetically possible for me naturally?

Does my question make sense?

What are the ramifications of an 8-12 weeks cycle in terms of what I should expect to gain in LBM/total weight? and how much would be reasonable to expect to keep after 12 months post cycle?

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HCG PCT or during the cycle? All my research has said during.

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Ya, no doubt my long term goal is aspirational. In reality id be content with 210 sub 12% with some 10%ish levels in summertime. But long term I’dbe stoked with 220 at 9.

I have been waiting clean, sleeping well and training hard for the last 4 weeks as ive been committing myself strictly for this recomposes (12 weeks) down to that 10% range. I think this next test will tell the true story of where I’m at.

Unless you guys think it would take longer than 4 weeks of “doing well” to see maximum natural T levels to balance.

Also, my estradiol is always near the high side of “normal”. going back to my mid 20’s.

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One week after the last testosterone injection, I would started a reconstituted 10cc vial of HCG with 1cc EOD. (I don’t recall the dosage per cc. They were all the same back in the good ol’ days)

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There was very little scientific or shared experience in those days (and no internet). We always used HCG post cycle. The thought was restart our natural testosterone.

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I don’t PCT but I’m not sure if it’s a good idea to use HCG as a PCT. up until you start the Pct I think is what’s recommended. I shall tag people who will know.

@iron_yuppie @mnben87 @lordgains

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These stats don’t add up. At 14% you’d have abs. 210lbs is quite stout for 5’9”. I suggest a faceless photo for true evaluation. If you are as you say you are naturally… don’t cycle. Not unless you want to be on TRT. On a second note you’re not getting down another 5% from cycling. Not any percent. BF reduction starts in the kitchen and test alone isn’t going to give you much of a competitive edge in that department.

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I didn’t read the thread, so I’m only replying to your comment

General recommendation is to use HCG during the bridge (after cycle but before PCT) but in my opinion this is not the most effective way to use HCG.

  1. The negative feedback from HCG is mediated through T and E2. As long as those are not physiological, there won’t be a negative effect of HCG on the recovery of the HPT. Since T and E2 are usually very low during the bridge, it makes sense to use it there to kickstart the nuts.

  2. During PCT one is using SERMs, these block the E2 receptors in the H and P (this mediates the biggest part of the feedback, therefore often the mistake of AIs during PCT was made) which makes any E2 that comes from HCG therapy useless in providing negative feedback.

  3. Most guys on HCG (especially on moderate doses) don’t get E2 and T above normal range, so the amount of E2 wouldn’t be able to displace the SERM from the receptor.

In conclusion: I think HCG should be started a (few) day(s) after the last shot and then be used throughout PCT or at least into the first weeks of PCT until the nuts are completely back. HCG won’t hinder recovery during PCT. HCG as monotherapy would not be good. Always use a SERM.

Point in case: there was a guy on here 3 weeks ago or so who did PCT (he took Clomid and HCG for 6 weeks or so together) like this (prescribed by a doc) and it worked very well.

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No. If someone has that baseline then trt won’t give them much more enhancement, save for the ability to cut harder. But trt is very noticeable when going from low to the high end of normal or even slightly above. That’s a big enough jump to make a difference.

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At 5’9” you better get comfortable with A LOT of steroids.

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I started TRT at 305ng and it was the right call. So many benefits over the years following.

If I were you I’d start TRT and just see how far you get on that. Then bump it up when you want to run an actual cycle. Also, being on TRT removes all the worry about PCT

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This is what I’ve noticed to. It took a long time to look like I was on trt. Mostly dropping fat. Now I appear to be in the top echelon of guys my age, and even better than the younger guys too. I was expecting much faster changes. It took about 1.5 years to really look different.

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I was too. Saw all these guys looking radically different after 6 months. Took me a full year to get my T dose right, then nearly a year to get over my fear of e2. Now in a year of weight loss. I figure after my fall blast I’ll finally look like I’m on TRT lol

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@mnben87 @swoops39

Not to be the haha guy, but I had quite a different experience. It was like a second or for that matter, true puberty for me in 2-3 months. I looked drastically different quickly and then the results slowed after a few months but continued for about a year.

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I had some change in strength fairly quickly. The change in his fat I was took some time. Probably because I was thinking trt would melt the fat off of me. Once I dieted, I kept muscle a lot better though.

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