[quote]vette6 wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
I guess his reasoning is that he believes in sending signals to the HPTA to “wake up” every 8-12 weeks so that recovery does not become impossible when you try to come off completely. He said the guys he counsels have bloodwork done to back up that this works when they blast/cruise in this fashion for a while and then come completely off; they are able to restore normal HPTA function and he believes the above method is why. [/quote]
Whoa, that’s news to me! I was always under the impression that HPTA function was shut down and unable to restart until exogenous testosterone levels were low enough for it to do so (i.e. taper protocol). Can someone send me the link to Dante’s article that’s being referred to? I’m having trouble finding it… [/quote]
Nowhere does it say that the HPTA is being restarted during the cruise.
Only says that it makes recovery easier or successful more often when the guy decides to come off completely.
Blast/cruise inherently suggests no actual recovery. Think about what ‘recovery’ actually means here.
Wouldn’t using Dbol at like 20mg ED first thing in the morning be more suitable than Prop?
Is this ‘cruise period’ more like a damage control than PCT?
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
HCG =/= nolva in terms of effect.
Nolva directly stimulates the HPTA wheras HCG just mimics LH. So perhaps now you can see why you need nolva/SERM.
BBB[/quote]
Thanks BBB
That makes sense.
Didn’t consider total HPTA function…
Might try some parts of this protocol out.
[quote]vette6 wrote:
Can someone send me the link to Dante’s article that’s being referred to? I’m having trouble finding it… [/quote]
He wrote that years ago and has made efforts to distance himself from it. Not sure if he’s got a different approach now or if he just doesn’t want to be seen as publicly espousing AAS cycles while selling protein.
I have a couple questions about the blast/cruise Dante proposed. Waylander answered my big question about “why bother with the SERMs”…I didn’t realize that it was actually possible to “prime” your HPTA to better recover when you finally do come off…From my admittedly limited knowledge on the HPTA and hormone production, this seems more like “bro science” than real life, but he says he has the bloodwork from his guys to back it up so I am willing to give the man the benefit of the doubt…
But why the need for Nolva AND Clomid concurrently during the cruise period? I can imagine that one is more effective than the other, but has harsher sides so this is an attempt to take the best of both worlds, so to speak, but can anyone confirm or deny?
Also, why the insanely high doses of hcg? I don’t see a reason to deviate from a standard 250 iu 2x/week protocol regardless if you are blasting or cruising…it seems to me that the high dose is a way to quickly wake everything back up, but it seems there are risks there that go away when you just maintain a standard dose…I would be very concerned about desensitizing my Leydig cells and damaging by boys with that high of a dose, especially without seeing the benefit over a standard dose…
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bushidobadboy wrote:
HCG =/= nolva in terms of effect.
Nolva directly stimulates the HPTA wheras HCG just mimics LH. So perhaps now you can see why you need nolva/SERM.
BBB[/quote]
Is this relevant though considering your HPTA will continue to be supressed as long as you are taking test? Or is this along the same lines mentioned earlier about “priming your HPTA” to return to normal when you finally decide to come off completely?
Interesting shit no doubt.