As a group of powerlifters told me one time “Cycling is for Lance Armstrong”
[quote]vette6 wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]buddaboy wrote:
I’m willing to bet most of us spend more time blasting than cruising LOL[/quote]
bahahaha. I followed the blast/cruise guidelines to a T the first 3 times, since then the blasts get longer and the cruises get shorter haha. Slippery slope![/quote]
Way, are you off at any point or just blast & crusin these days?[/quote]
Blast and cruising since last august. Don’t really plan on changing that.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]vette6 wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]buddaboy wrote:
I’m willing to bet most of us spend more time blasting than cruising LOL[/quote]
bahahaha. I followed the blast/cruise guidelines to a T the first 3 times, since then the blasts get longer and the cruises get shorter haha. Slippery slope![/quote]
Way, are you off at any point or just blast & crusin these days?[/quote]
Blast and cruising since last august. Don’t really plan on changing that.[/quote]
could someone please make a sticky for blasting and cruising for those of us who are considering it? (:
also does blasting and cruising leave you infertile?
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]vette6 wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]buddaboy wrote:
I’m willing to bet most of us spend more time blasting than cruising LOL[/quote]
bahahaha. I followed the blast/cruise guidelines to a T the first 3 times, since then the blasts get longer and the cruises get shorter haha. Slippery slope![/quote]
Way, are you off at any point or just blast & crusin these days?[/quote]
Blast and cruising since last august. Don’t really plan on changing that.[/quote]
Would doing otherwise (coming off) and resuming regular cycles still even be an option at this point? I don’t mean to hijack, but I imagine it’d be important for the OP to know as well.
google blast cruising by dante. I believe I saw the guidelines on pro muscle.
Well, I’m 6’2, weigh a little over 280 and I’m definitely not fat as I still see all 6 abs. Could I still add some muscle with just a standard cycling approach? Yah, for a little while longer probably but I would not be anywhere near as lean. It’s an option but not a route I’m interested in taking and in the end attaining the physique I desire, that of a pro BBer, is not possible without staying on year round.
Blast/cruise is pretty simple. Time off should equal time on (blast=cruise), although most of us don’t do this and I don’t think it is that detrimental.
If you are on for HRT reasons, then cruising with as low as 100 is fine. If you are trying to maximize the gains you make/keep, then cruise at 200-300… usually right in the middle at 250.
Blasts are just like any normal cycle, but can last longer and utilize more suppressive compounds without worry, because HPTA recovery doesn’t fucking matter.
Hcg should be used, but I don’t because its just not really a concern of mine. I have experimented with substitutions though after seeing some people online post about replacing it with DAA/trib… and I do seem to stay fuller and shoot bigger loads when I do that.
If you are recreational, have good natural test, ect then blast/cruise is not for you.
If you are an extremely high level competitor or you need HRT anyway, blast/cruise is the way to go.
Not sure what else would need to be said that shouldn’t already be common knowledge for individuals by the time they consider blast/cruise.
That’s actually a little different than the “real” blast/cruise protocol made my famous by Dante.
"ARIMIDEX: .50MG TO 1MG WITH 1MG BEING BETTER EITHER EVERY OTHER DAY OR EVERY DAY FOR THE LENGTH OF THE CRUISING
NOLVADEX: 20MG A DAY FOR THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE CRUISING
A TESTOST LIKE PROP USED AT 50-100MG EVERY OTHER DAY (THE BEST WAY IS TO START AT 100 AND SLOWLY WEAN DOWN THRU THE CRUISING PERIOD TO 50 EVERY OTHER DAY)
OR IF HCG IS AVAILABLE TO YOU YOU WOULD START AT 100MG EOD OF prop TESTOST AND WEAN DOWN TO 50MG BY DAY 7-ROUGHLY 100 THEN 75 AND THEN 50MG FOR THAT FIRST WEEK----AT THAT POINT YOU WOULD USE HCG AT 1000 TO 1500 IUS EVERY DAY FOR THE REST OF THE CRUISE (ANOTHER 7 TO 14 DAYS) (and yes i know the timing of hcg to clomid but in this concept this is the way to go) end @ 50 mg prop every 4 days."
Direct quote on how to cruise. Ideally he suggest blasting for 8-10 weeks and cruising for 4 weeks.
Check Dante’ post in that thread for more details on the protocol.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
That’s actually a little different than the “real” blast/cruise protocol made my famous by Dante.
"ARIMIDEX: .50MG TO 1MG WITH 1MG BEING BETTER EITHER EVERY OTHER DAY OR EVERY DAY FOR THE LENGTH OF THE CRUISING
NOLVADEX: 20MG A DAY FOR THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE CRUISING
A TESTOST LIKE PROP USED AT 50-100MG EVERY OTHER DAY (THE BEST WAY IS TO START AT 100 AND SLOWLY WEAN DOWN THRU THE CRUISING PERIOD TO 50 EVERY OTHER DAY)
OR IF HCG IS AVAILABLE TO YOU YOU WOULD START AT 100MG EOD OF prop TESTOST AND WEAN DOWN TO 50MG BY DAY 7-ROUGHLY 100 THEN 75 AND THEN 50MG FOR THAT FIRST WEEK----AT THAT POINT YOU WOULD USE HCG AT 1000 TO 1500 IUS EVERY DAY FOR THE REST OF THE CRUISE (ANOTHER 7 TO 14 DAYS) (and yes i know the timing of hcg to clomid but in this concept this is the way to go) end @ 50 mg prop every 4 days."
Direct quote on how to cruise. Ideally he suggest blasting for 8-10 weeks and cruising for 4 weeks.
Check Dante’ post in that thread for more details on the protocol.
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Do you ‘know’ anyone who has run his blast and cruise protocol?
[quote]BigSkwatta wrote:
Blast/cruise is pretty simple. Time off should equal time on (blast=cruise), although most of us don’t do this and I don’t think it is that detrimental.
If you are on for HRT reasons, then cruising with as low as 100 is fine. If you are trying to maximize the gains you make/keep, then cruise at 200-300… usually right in the middle at 250.
Blasts are just like any normal cycle, but can last longer and utilize more suppressive compounds without worry, because HPTA recovery doesn’t fucking matter.
Hcg should be used, but I don’t because its just not really a concern of mine. I have experimented with substitutions though after seeing some people online post about replacing it with DAA/trib… and I do seem to stay fuller and shoot bigger loads when I do that.
If you are recreational, have good natural test, ect then blast/cruise is not for you.
If you are an extremely high level competitor or you need HRT anyway, blast/cruise is the way to go.
Not sure what else would need to be said that shouldn’t already be common knowledge for individuals by the time they consider blast/cruise.
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I would try and work 250IU HCG a week in if possible you may negatively affect your ability to pro create if you don’t.
And yah, HCG is a must when doing this.
Budda I know plenty of people who blast/cruise. It works and it works well. More time on=leaner and more muscular, that’s just a given.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
And yah, HCG is a must when doing this.
Budda I know plenty of people who blast/cruise. It works and it works well. More time on=leaner and more muscular, that’s just a given.[/quote]
I agree 100%, sorry I meant that specific blast cruise protocol you mentioned in your post.
[quote]buddaboy wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
And yah, HCG is a must when doing this.
Budda I know plenty of people who blast/cruise. It works and it works well. More time on=leaner and more muscular, that’s just a given.[/quote]
I agree 100%, sorry I meant that specific blast cruise protocol you mentioned in your post.[/quote]
Yah, I like the cruise protocol. Although he even says you can extend blasts to 12 weeks if you are still gaining. I think 8 weeks is too short so I like that option.
Is the idea of cruising with the prop like that to try and minimize suppression during the cruise phase?
It’s there is a kind of PCT at the end of each cruise if I’m not mistaken and I’m sure with the use of GHRP-6 most if not all gains plus a little more (depending on what you blast with) could be preserved from the blast.
Do you use all that HCG as well? I don’t think I’ve ever seen that much recommended anywhere before.
Anyway I’ll fuck off and read then whole article LOL
I have never seen anyone set up a protocol like that. Almost everyone I know basically does TRT for awhile with cyp or enanthate, then goes back on. Hcg is normally used.
I can’t find the article. I found something on AF boards, but not sure its the same dude, or if he changed anything in the copy and paste. Either way, looks odd.
What I found listed
Second of all to clarify a cruise is basically this
"
CLOMID:
DAY ONE 6 TABS
DAY TWO 5 TABS
DAY THREE 4 TABS
DAY FOUR 3 TABS
DAY FIVE THROUGH DAY FOURTEEN 2 TABS A DAY
ARIMIDEX: .50MG TO 1MG WITH 1MG BEING BETTER EITHER EVERY OTHER DAY OR EVERY DAY FOR THE LENGTH OF THE CRUISING
NOLVADEX: 20MG A DAY FOR THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE CRUISING
A TESTOST LIKE PROP USED AT 50-100MG EVERY OTHER DAY (THE BEST WAY IS TO START AT 100 AND SLOWLY WEAN DOWN THRU THE CRUISING PERIOD TO 50 EVERY OTHER DAY)
OR IF HCG IS AVAILABLE TO YOU YOU WOULD START AT 100MG EOD OF prop TESTOST AND WEAN DOWN TO 50MG BY DAY 7-ROUGHLY 100 THEN 75 AND THEN 50MG FOR THAT FIRST WEEK----AT THAT POINT YOU WOULD USE HCG AT 1000 TO 1500 IUS EVERY DAY FOR THE REST OF THE CRUISE (ANOTHER 7 TO 14 DAYS) (and yes i know the timing of hcg to clomid but in this concept this is the way to go)"
Why use prop instead of enanthate or cyp?
Why use nolvadex when you are being suppressed anyway, and have the HCG to stimulate testicles anyway.
That much adex would crash my E2… I was fine with .2mg ED with a little over a gram of test and some dbol.
Why clomid for 14 days? Curious for same reasons as nolva inclusion.
Even if he is right, and it does help restore the HPTA some, why does it matter if you are using Hcg to keep your testicles producing all the other shit aside from test? And why would it matter if you are just going to shut it down again anyway…
Not dissing this at all, it obviously worked for you. You are 280 and lean, I am 265-270 and semi-lean… (but I am a powerlifter, I don’t care about lean for myself haha)…
I am just curious as to some
“Your saying any amount of exog test in the body renders arimidex clomid HCG and nolvadex completely useless? Why do doctors use some or all of those with HRT therapies or gels? Why do people use HCG mid cycle? How many lifters (75% at least) think they are off cycle but still have exogenous compounds floating around in their bloodstream due to the steroid being hydrolized slowly in scar tissue or fat or their miscalculations on duration of said steroid. Those same lifters are using clomid hcg and nolvadex as soon as their cycles end and have done so for years with success–so i dont think very small amounts of testost in the body render ancillary meds useless. I singled you out because I saw you on this board at least 3 times in past posts saying the only usefull thing that comes out of my mouth is about stretching—your entitled to your opinion and Im giving you my opinion.”
This is his reasoning, but it seems sort of flawed to me…
Also, does he suggest using hcg all the time? Or just on cruises? Doesn’t make sense for only cruises to me…
I guess his reasoning is that he believes in sending signals to the HPTA to “wake up” every 8-12 weeks so that recovery does not become impossible when you try to come off completely. He said the guys he counsels have bloodwork done to back up that this works when they blast/cruise in this fashion for a while and then come completely off; they are able to restore normal HPTA function and he believes the above method is why.
Yes, HCG at all times. That is just an excerpt from a really long post haha, he goes into depth on the blasting as well amongst other things. Try typing that quote in google and finding his entire post, whether you agree with his methods or not it’s still a great read.
I’m curious though, you said when you cruise you go the same duration as your blast. What’s the reason behind this? Since you are staying suppressed why do you want to be on HRT levels of test for 8+ weeks and not use a dose that will make you grow?
With 11-28 day cruises you give your androgen receptors a break and this “break” compensates for diminishing returns of staying at the same dose for long periods of time (it stops working) and then you hop back on again and continue to grow at an accelerated rate, typically using the same dose for 2 or 3 blasts then bumping up just a little.
Good point. And to be honest, I had not thought critically about cruise length. I just kind of did what I was told with the time on=time off… I guess that doesn’t apply when you aren’t recovering anyway.
I will incorporate hcg at some point, when I have the ability to hide it.
I also seem to keep gaining even on my cruises. Even on this one at 150mg… I am still hitting PRs weekly and gaining mass.
I have been cruising a few weeks. I will probably kick it back up next week. One reason is cost. I can’t afford to run a lot of shit almost all the time.
I have been just cruising till its time to get ready for a meet. Last meet was mostly for fun. So I just did a short 4 week blast with orals, raised test, added prop as well for a quick hit.
Worked very well (btw, I found that 20mg dbol+50mg anadrol seems, for me at least, to be better than twice the dose of either alone)
This next meet is bigger so I will take more time to prepare, and will start as soon as all my shit comes in. I am really just waiting on mast, but I will probably up the test and start EQ when I planned to regardless.
So if I have this right thats test Prop @100mg EOD working down to 50mg EOD plus 1mg adex EOD, clomid ED working through the schedule and nolvadex at 20mg ED plus HCG ED starting from day 7 of test at 50mg EOD at 1000IU ED for the rest of the cruise, at which point only adex would be used right?
I like the idea of a kind of PCT cruise, especially as I was looking into the possibility of working abroad in particular countries where being on self administered HRT could cause me problems. I consider myself to be on HRT now but the thought of being able to come off and recover should the need arise is quite comforting.
I shall try this once I’ve had the protocol approved by the forum ‘vets’ and report my findings back to you guys…
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
I guess his reasoning is that he believes in sending signals to the HPTA to “wake up” every 8-12 weeks so that recovery does not become impossible when you try to come off completely. He said the guys he counsels have bloodwork done to back up that this works when they blast/cruise in this fashion for a while and then come completely off; they are able to restore normal HPTA function and he believes the above method is why. [/quote]
Whoa, that’s news to me! I was always under the impression that HPTA function was shut down and unable to restart until exogenous testosterone levels were low enough for it to do so (i.e. taper protocol). Can someone send me the link to Dante’s article that’s being referred to? I’m having trouble finding it…