Diagnosed with gyno almost 6 years ago. I’d love to get it removed but currently don’t have the cash. Anyway, I really want to try some juice again. Is this NOT at all advisable or do I just need to take EXTRA precautions? Looking to do a mild cycle… posssibly just some anavar to get back what I’ve lost through all my injuries. Thanks
How did you get the initial gyno? If from AAS did you take any precautions last time?
Assuming you took precautions with a proper cycle last time and still got it, I would say don’t consider it. Unless of course you don’t care.
I have a buddy who used Nolva multiple times in his cycle to prevent gyno, but that didn’t do much for him.
Adex on the other hand, worked wonders.
That’s what I’d recommend.
i thought that anavar didnt aromatize, or didnt aromatize that much, like winstrol? and doesnt most gyno go away after your done with gear? not advice, just asking questions.
[quote]Dylanj wrote:
i thought that anavar didnt aromatize, or didnt aromatize that much, like winstrol? and doesnt most gyno go away after your done with gear? not advice, just asking questions.[/quote]
I may be wrong here, but as far as I understand it, non-aromatising steroids run solo can still indirectly cause gyno.
They will all supress your natural T, thereby supressing E. If E is supressed, your body creates more E receptors to deal with the dwindling blood conc.
This is not a problem during the cycle, but when you come off cycle initially, your E comes back to normal levels but now you have a ton of receptors to bind to - enhancing the effect.
I’ve found that I had to run nolva to prevent this rebound effect for much longer after a no-test cycle than after a test-as-a-base cycle.
I might be talking bollocks here, and if so I hope one of the experts will tell me so.
[quote]LillGuy001 wrote:
How did you get the initial gyno? If from AAS did you take any precautions last time?[/quote]
I was taking pro-hormones not steroids. I smoked pot about 4 times that year and I’ve heard it can help to cause gyno. Maybe a combo of the 2, I don’t know. I’m 39 and haven’t done steroids in 18 years. I’ve been getting a few injuries and I’m sick of the 1 step up 2 steps back deal and I’m looking for something like anavar to get me back to where I used to be and more without the long rehab phase again. I alreday have clomid and tamoxifen but they are 2 years old. Is there a shelf life on this stuff? Anyways maybe this new info I provided will help with some of the answers you guys are giving to me. Thanks and please chime in with any relative info.
Is it gyno that subsided but you know it’s there waiting or is it active right now or do you have permanent breast tissue growth?
[quote]Pretzel Logic wrote:
Is it gyno that subsided but you know it’s there waiting or is it active right now or do you have permanent breast tissue growth? [/quote]
It is there. It started with ichy nipples at work and the next day I recognized the lump under my nipple. I had a mammogram, bloodwork, X-rays,ultrasound and even ultrasound to my testicles. I saw Dr. Nadler about 4 years ago and he confirmed the diagnosis. In fact no one but him noticed the lump in my left chest.
Originally I was diagnosed with uni-lateral gyno. So it is permanent - until I get the cash to have it removed. Anyway back to the original question. Should I not even attempt the partaking of some juice or what special precautions can I use so as to not aggrevate the problem? By the way, thanks for the reply. I really appreciate the feedback on this thread thus far!
This is going to sound weird as hell, but like Pretzel asked, is it still active? Now to the weird part, a cheap and easy way to find out is if your nipples are over-sensitive or hurt like hell if you rub them. You should be able to feel the tissue, but is it really tender?
Assuming you have tenderness in your nipples, I would first recommend running 4 weeks of Nolva dosed at 70mg 60mg 50mg 30mg and potentially a little Adex to drop the estrogen levels before hitting a cycle.
Assuming it is not active however, when you do run a cycle, make it short and sweet-- meaning 8 weeks or less.
Seeing how 8 weeks is not that long, you need to get your money’s worth, meaning higher doses with highly anabolic compounds-- like good ole test enanthate. Let’s assume you were originally going run 500mg a week for 12 weeks, try 800-900mg a week for 6-8 weeks followed by a taper after a generous stasis period.
During cycle though, THIS IS IMPORTANT, run Adex for sure. I don’t want to recommend an exact dosage because different have different ways of reacting to it…
By no means is my advice to be considered the be all and end all, just throwing my two cents in and hoping I can help you out.
If it means anything to you, a buddy of mine had pretty bad gyno that was still active and he followed the dosing protocol I laid out above, followed by 8 weeks of test at 800mg and had excellent results. For his Class II he ran 100mg of drol from wks 5-8…
He had no sides other than a bit of acne and simply used Prisoner’s taper at his cycle’s end.
And finally this long post has come to an end… hopefully I helped you out somehow.
i developed gyno at about 12-never went away but fortunately with ok pecs its not so obvious.that being said,im hesitant to use test as i dont want to exacerbate the problem.i dont mean to hijack this post,but how come only a handfull of 70-80’s pro builders had gyno and they mostly had hair,im assuming thwey new f/a about pct,;did they just use way smaller dosages than whats currently excepted?
[quote]mntnbiker wrote:
i developed gyno at about 12-never went away but fortunately with ok pecs its not so obvious.that being said,im hesitant to use test as i dont want to exacerbate the problem.i dont mean to hijack this post,but how come only a handfull of 70-80’s pro builders had gyno and they mostly had hair,im assuming thwey new f/a about pct,;did they just use way smaller dosages than whats currently excepted?[/quote]
How old are you now? Like I said to the OP, assuming it’s not currently active (read my last post to determine this and follow the bit of dosing protocol or whatever you wish to call it that I outlined) then you should be alright.
Something else, I forgot to mention for the OP, perhaps check out some mast at the end of your cycle for its hardening and anti-e effects…
In regard to your question about those “Golden Age” BBers. Many others have said it before me here, but they simply did not use the staggering amounts of drugs you see present today. To be perfectly honest, I bet many here use more AAS and associated compounds than some of those guys did.
Unlike today’s BBers, those in the 70’s and 80’s viewed AAS as a sort of finishing act to their physique-- diet and training were the backbone of it and AAS were only used around contest time. Danny Padilla, I believe, said this himself regarding AAS use “just a little deca and some dbol…”
Hopefully that clear something up.
I’d say go for it, but be vigilant. If it’s there and it’s not going anywhere but your nipples are ok now, take the var and watch closely. You can always take the nolvadex or clomid and even stop altogether and it will be out of your system fast. I doubt you’ll have any problems though, unless you take like 100mg a day, then, anything can happen.
Sounds as if your speaking about it as if its formed and no longer having issues with sensitivity.
If thats the case I wouldnt hesitate to start a cycle. Just be sure to run adex and have some nolva on hand.
I also like the idea of the dose that world laid for an 8wk cycle with a stasis and taper period.
Its pretty likely that the prohormones that you used before were the culprit of your problem.
I read where patients taking tamoxifen at 20+ a day for two months,60% no longer had a lump.Since you already have it why not try.Mine went away,but on my last(TEST) cycle Ive run into some problems .Anastrozole may be of help during your cycle,but after is where things get sensitive.
anast. is no good for post cycle ,your left with clomid
as a front load for 2 weeks, then back to the tamoxifen for 3 or 4 weeks, many people end up with tits, months after the cycles over. Ask your doc about tamoxifen treatment.Give up on the as until youve dealt with the
gyno.