I plan to begin a cycle of test and anadrol shortly. I have high cholesterol due to hereditary, havoc, and a poor diet(a dozen whole eggs per day for about 2 yrs) since then I have cleaned up my diet trmedously, eating only egg beaters and whites, as well as more chicken and less steak, and only 93% lean beef. As well as taking crestor. I take 5mg per day, and my cholesterol levels are normal currently. When I go on my cycle, should I avoid the crestor, keep taking the 5mg per day, or raise it?
I would get bloodwork done once a month or month and a half and make your decision based upon the results.
You may be perfectly fine, you may not, but you’re not going to know without the bloodwork.
Older guys with increased cholesterol who go on TRT often have cholesterol drop to safe levels. High cholesterol is thus [also] a symptom of low testosterone. This is also seen in young men who have testicular failure, so not simply an aging effect
KSman, can you go into more detail about high cholesterol in young men as related to testicular failure?
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
KSman, can you go into more detail about high cholesterol in young men as related to testicular failure?[/quote]
Nervous? Lol
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
KSman, can you go into more detail about high cholesterol in young men as related to testicular failure?
Nervous? Lol[/quote]
Thanks for your mature and well thought out contribution. It really added to the discussion.
Actually Im not nervous. Absolutely nothing wrong with my boys. Non-lifestyle related high cholesterol is something that I have been interested in for a while. Everyone on my mother’s side of my family has it. We don’t know anything about it beyond the fact that it is hereditary.
Simply wanted to pick KSman’s brain about it since he tends to be right on the money most of the time. Learning can be a good thing, you should try it sometime.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
KSman, can you go into more detail about high cholesterol in young men as related to testicular failure?[/quote]
The point was that TRT lowers lipids in older men. But this effect is also seen in young guys who have lost their testicles or some other bad outcome. They have the same T-lipid effects and responses to TRT. So the relationship is not aging related but fundamental.
Is is almost like a feedback system creates more cholesterol in an attempt to create more steroid hormones.
With low T, one also gets endothelial dysfunction, so the higher amounts of cholesterol can easily infiltrate the arterial walls and lead to heart disease and high blood pressure.
[quote]KSman wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
KSman, can you go into more detail about high cholesterol in young men as related to testicular failure?
The point was that TRT lowers lipids in older men. But this effect is also seen in young guys who have lost their testicles or some other bad outcome. They have the same T-lipid effects and responses to TRT. So the relationship is not aging related but fundamental.
Is is almost like a feedback system creates more cholesterol in an attempt to create more steroid hormones.
With low T, one also gets endothelial dysfunction, so the higher amounts of cholesterol can easily infiltrate the arterial walls and lead to heart disease and high blood pressure.[/quote]
So it is quite possible that an individual with naturally low levels of T could actually see a decrease in blood lipid levels by going “on”…whereas the normal user will generally see some rise in blood lipids?
Im just thinking out loud here, but could this possibly be because of the fact that using shuts down your natural production, so therefore, those who have more natural production to shut down will see greater increases in blood lipid levels because of their usage?
I hope Im making sense here…like I said…thinking out loud.
It’s worth pointing out the clear distinction here between TRT and alkylated oral AAS, with the former often having beneficial effects but the latter negatively affecting lipoprotein levels, HDL in particular.
Also OP, I don’t believe there’s any established link between those egg yolks and your serum cholesterol. In terms of dietary factors, I suspect your carb intake is much more responsible for elevated triglycerides and cholesterol numbers.
[quote]chillain wrote:
It’s worth pointing out the clear distinction here between TRT and alkylated oral AAS, with the former often having beneficial effects but the latter negatively affecting lipoprotein levels, HDL in particular.
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Of course, I was referring to test…particularly test run at higher than TRT levels. I havent heard anything good about orals yet, health wise, haha.
Im definitely a newb when it comes to this stuff, so I hope you guys dont mind me being curious.
No doubt, I was just adding some general info to the thread.
And Strong, keep right on thinking out loud and asking questions. I’m also anticipating KSman spelling things out a little further for us.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
So it is quite possible that an individual with naturally low levels of T could actually see a decrease in blood lipid levels by going “on”…whereas the normal user will generally see some rise in blood lipids?
Im just thinking out loud here, but could this possibly be because of the fact that using shuts down your natural production, so therefore, those who have more natural production to shut down will see greater increases in blood lipid levels because of their usage?
I hope Im making sense here…like I said…thinking out loud.[/quote]
TRT doses of injected testosterone esters or transdermal T will not increase cholesterol. You are replacing T to the levels of a virile young man… and they as a group do not have elevated lipids.
Someone with normal T [your normal user] will not be on TRT.
I have not seen that sane gear dosing of test esters creates lipid problems. Abusive amounts of AI, creating very low amounts of E, are known to increase lipids.
Orals can cause liver problems. Cholesterol is made and reprocessed in the liver. Stressing the liver also can increase E by reducing E clearance. Many drugs, Rx and OTC, alcohol etc, can lead to increased amounts of E.
If one has liver problems, then its a different situation.
No simple answers… you need to do your own research and reading.