Steriod Beginner........

[quote]conservativedog wrote:

[quote]rds63799 wrote:
seriously? This guy is a total nimrod who has been training on and off for ONE YEAR and is now looking to be spoon fed info on a steroid forum. You don’t think that laziness on that scale should be mocked?

I mean look at the info you’ve just given him. Literally 20 seconds of google could’ve told him all of that. Eat big and lift weights? Revolutionary!

Pop the titty out his mouth and flame him like he deserves.

and the idea that anyone here is flaming him because we are jealous of his body type is laughable. [/quote]

Come on bro I know that. You have to agree flame free at one post new members is the way to draw more here and bro isn’t it a worthy cause?

The answers are there for everyone to google but if you can tolerate serving pablum to some it is worth it for the time being.

I won’t be here forever and I would like to meet as many different people as I can. Hell it’s funny and sometimes really sad, you never really know who lives in your city or state and that they have a talents and information that you don’t.

You can’t argue there are guys here with guts and puddin tits that will take longer to look good then a 24 year old hard gainer who is lactose intolerant.

Now jump on the peace train and I’ll send you “The Rack All in One Gym Station” to smooth us over:

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well, I do like Cat Stevens, I’ll let you off just this once

First post, nothing was provided for me to find my post, just accidentally stumbled upon it and see nothing helpful but assumptions & a bunch of douche bags. Go fuck yourselves.

I worked very hard to get from never having any type of labor job, having no muscle, only weighing 150lbs and worked up to 175, was 180 at one time.

I’m not lazy to workout as I said. I just see no progress & have tried different workouts, low weight & more reps, heavy weight & less weights.

When I said on/off I was referring to 1.5 months I took off when I was in a car wreck and 1.5 months when I switched jobs & was working long days 6 days a week.

I can’t eat 6 meals a day because of my job but eat big meals when I do. Usually spend $15-$20/meal when I eat out.

I eat everything. Eggs, sausage,oatmeal, spaghetti, tri tip, chicken, sandwiches, PB, brown/white rice. I also add olive oil to alot of stuff for added calories.

Plus of course protein weight gainer & egg protein.

& I do all this with a fkd up stomach because of ibs/lactose which gives me horrible gas all the time & going to the bathroom all the time & whatever else the hell is wrong with me cause I’m always tired & horrible lack stamina. & my shoulder is messed up from lifting 50lb solar panels every day for whatever reason.

when you’re at a party, do people ever try and hang their coats on you?

ok ok, I’ll give you a serious response this time

[quote]to4raiden wrote:
First post, nothing was provided for me to find my post, just accidentally stumbled upon it and see nothing helpful but assumptions & a bunch of douche bags. Go fuck yourselves. [/quote]

sticks and stones. You, are a stick.

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I worked very hard to get from never having any type of labor job, having no muscle, only weighing 150lbs and worked up to 175, was 180 at one time.

I’m not lazy to workout as I said. I just see no progress & have tried different workouts, low weight & more reps, heavy weight & less weights. [/quote]

wow so you went from anorexic, to mildly bulimic. Come back when you’ve gained another 50lbs.

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When I said on/off I was referring to 1.5 months I took off when I was in a car wreck and 1.5 months when I switched jobs & was working long days 6 days a week.[/quote]

no one is impressed by your sob story. Save it for when you get on American Idol. You realise there’s people out there much worse off than you that don’t make excuses? Suck it up, princess.

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I can’t eat 6 meals a day because of my job but eat big meals when I do. Usually spend $15-$20/meal when I eat out.[/quote]

You don’t have to eat 6 meals a day, but you do have to hit your protein and calorie targets, which you don’t do. Bragging about how much you spend tells us nothing. You could be spending $20 on caviar and tofu.

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I eat everything. Eggs, sausage,oatmeal, spaghetti, tri tip, chicken, sandwiches, PB, brown/white rice. I also add olive oil to alot of stuff for added calories.[/quote]

these are all fine food choices, but you need vegetables in there. It’s not that the foods are wrong, it’s that your amount is wrong.

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Plus of course protein weight gainer & egg protein.[/quote]

well of course

again, sob story not impressing. You realise there was a thread on this site a while back about a guy who trains like a beast despite having MS? How’s that for perspective. The rumbley in your tumbley doesn’t seem so bad now does it?

Seriously though, find out what foods are fucking with your digestion and cut that shit out. We have a thread started by yours truly in the diet section of this site all about gut health, you might get some ideas from there.

Your shoulder injury can be fixed, so bitching about that is just another way you are trying to rationalise how badly you suck.

I don’t mean to be a dick (well, actually I do a little) but there’s a reason why people are giving you are hard time.

YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW TO EAT

and your training probably sucks too. I know you think you have a metabolism that makes it impossible, or that you are a hardgainer, but I’ll let you in on a little secret: we ALL thought that we were hardgainers at one point or another, then we learned how to eat and all of a sudden the gains weren’t so hard. Not easy, but not impossible.

If you don’t know how to eat and you jump on cycle, oh sure you might bloat up a little while you’re on, but when you come off all those gains will evaporate because you are not eating enough to sustain them. That’s assuming that you even get bigger at all, which is pretty unlikely.

So quit bitching about being a hardgainer and all the other excuses, and put some meat on that fork. Eat more, and if you’re still not getting bigger then eat even more. Still not getting bigger? EAT EVEN MORE.

And don’t fuck about with steroids. You’ll feel like a prized prick if you mess up your hormones for zero reward.

now go have something to eat.

OP, your picture makes it evident that you are working out and making a good effort. You are a serious ectomorph, though. These guys that say that you have to find a way to down more calories are right. You are a beginner. Focus on improving your training and eating like a hoss. Learn to do the big compound lifts, especially deadlift. You should probably stay away from back squat at your height (I’m your height) Find the ones that work and go hard.

Anyway, don’t do gear. I’m not trying to put you down. This is just blunt advice- your training is not even close to the level where gear is going to help you. You will mess up your hormones, maybe permanently, and you won’t even grow muscles. Max out your genetic potential, and then still don’t juice. It’s just not worth it.

With the right training and nutrition, you can look like a badass without the juice, even as an ectomorph. Just kidding, but I think you can get an operation where they pull out your CNS and turn you into a mesomorph. I’d go with that.

Most people are being dicks. Maybe thats uncalled for but you are full of excuses. If you can’t gain naturally steroids won’t do you any good. That is a fact whether you like it or not. You are going to have to learn to eat. If you come back here and ask about nutrition and eating advice I’m sure you will find some far less abusive help. You can and should be over 200lbs before considering AAS. Realistically 225.

Please keep in mind that the abuse happens for two reasons.

  1. So that you don’t get involved with AAS because you aren’t ready
  2. At least 90% of new posters on here think they are ready and they are not. People get frustrated. They are here to help people and 90% are wasting the time of the veterans.

RDS for instance is here to help. Whether you appreciate his tactics or not. (I’m sure you don’t, and he could left out the top model jokes and etc.) He is correct. You aren’t ready. Just because you think you are doesn’t make it so. If being rude gets the point across he did his job.

Please take the advice of the people here. They know what they are doing. We all are here to help and want everyone to succeed. Telling you to go ahead with AAS would be doing you a disservice. Get your diet straight. Learn to gain naturally then come back for steroid advice.

[quote]installglass wrote:
Most people are being dicks. Maybe thats uncalled for but you are full of excuses. If you can’t gain naturally steroids won’t do you any good. That is a fact whether you like it or not. You are going to have to learn to eat. If you come back here and ask about nutrition and eating advice I’m sure you will find some far less abusive help. You can and should be over 200lbs before considering AAS. Realistically 225.

Please keep in mind that the abuse happens for two reasons.

  1. So that you don’t get involved with AAS because you aren’t ready
  2. At least 90% of new posters on here think they are ready and they are not. People get frustrated. They are here to help people and 90% are wasting the time of the veterans.

RDS for instance is here to help. Whether you appreciate his tactics or not. (I’m sure you don’t, and he could left out the top model jokes and etc.) He is correct. You aren’t ready. Just because you think you are doesn’t make it so. If being rude gets the point across he did his job.

Please take the advice of the people here. They know what they are doing. We all are here to help and want everyone to succeed. Telling you to go ahead with AAS would be doing you a disservice. Get your diet straight. Learn to gain naturally then come back for steroid advice.[/quote]

Spot on. If you’d posted in the training or bodybuilding sections you’d have got flamed a lot less. You don’t need gear you need to get serious about everything else first.

When you’ve got your house in order and have made some good natural progress then you can CONSIDER it.

What are your lifts?

OP, I work on transmission power lines and climb 150’ towers almost everyday and I STILL manage to eat enough. I drag my cooler up the damn tower and that’s where I eat. Whenever I get a second I stuff my face. May not have time to eat a full meal but I manage to eat something real quick. Point is you gotta eat, and your body type you have to eat even more.

[quote]to4raiden wrote:
First post, nothing was provided for me to find my post, just accidentally stumbled upon it and see nothing helpful but assumptions & a bunch of douche bags. Go fuck yourselves.

I worked very hard to get from never having any type of labor job, having no muscle, only weighing 150lbs and worked up to 175, was 180 at one time.

I’m not lazy to workout as I said. I just see no progress & have tried different workouts, low weight & more reps, heavy weight & less weights.

When I said on/off I was referring to 1.5 months I took off when I was in a car wreck and 1.5 months when I switched jobs & was working long days 6 days a week.

I can’t eat 6 meals a day because of my job but eat big meals when I do. Usually spend $15-$20/meal when I eat out.

I eat everything. Eggs, sausage,oatmeal, spaghetti, tri tip, chicken, sandwiches, PB, brown/white rice. I also add olive oil to alot of stuff for added calories.

Plus of course protein weight gainer & egg protein.

& I do all this with a fkd up stomach because of ibs/lactose which gives me horrible gas all the time & going to the bathroom all the time & whatever else the hell is wrong with me cause I’m always tired & horrible lack stamina. & my shoulder is messed up from lifting 50lb solar panels every day for whatever reason.

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Keep eating but don’t make yourself sick overeating.

Buy some branch chained amino acids BCAA’s and mix in water several times a day. This will keep muscles fed without making your stomach turn sour. Take it first thing in morning and keep a ziplock bag of it in your pockets to add to water while on the job. Your job sounds like it keeps you hopping, but this is a way to keep muscle.

Muscle building is a way of life measured in years and in decades, so you have started that journey. We applaud you. I didn’t find this forum until four years ago and only started paying attention this year. Look at how much further you are going to be ahead of me and others.

Patience is one the toughest lessons in life but be that and you will have added gem to your life’s lessons. You expecting to die in a couple of years? No. So be patient, keep training and appreciate the day your metabolism slows and calories begin to flow where they should and muscle will be kept. A lot of guys your age are what’s known as hard gainers.

Dude I feel for you. You may have a body type that will take years before your metabolism slows enough to keep weight. Don’t despair. You are fortunate in many more ways than you appreciate.

There are guys eating and everything turns to excess stored fat and your body type is much more sought after than fat and dumpy. Everyone has their own cross to bear. That’s life and it’s unfair but what are we gonna do? Don’t give up. Don;t cry. I imagine you look a lot better in clothing than the short dumpy people. No offense to short dumpies.

Don’t respond in negative manner no matter what. People will give you a break. keep your chin up and buy some BCAA’s. If you think you have a rough time of it read this:
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-06-06/lifestyle/39775858_1_kevin-smith-richmond-contestants

P.S. This is the steroid section of tnation, it’s a very small part. Read as much on other forums, even the powerful women and over thirty-five forums have advice that I had never seen before. T replacement was my favorite and endless shared medical information by some top notch people is laying there for you and anyone else.

[quote]BUDs wrote:
OP, I work on transmission power lines and climb 150’ towers almost everyday and I STILL manage to eat enough. I drag my cooler up the damn tower and that’s where I eat. Whenever I get a second I stuff my face. May not have time to eat a full meal but I manage to eat something real quick. Point is you gotta eat, and your body type you have to eat even more.[/quote]

Ever had any close calls falling off?

BUDs how did you get into that line of work?

[quote]BUDs wrote:
OP, I work on transmission power lines and climb 150’ towers almost everyday and I STILL manage to eat enough. I drag my cooler up the damn tower and that’s where I eat. Whenever I get a second I stuff my face. May not have time to eat a full meal but I manage to eat something real quick. Point is you gotta eat, and your body type you have to eat even more.[/quote]
Fuck me that’s high

[quote]to4raiden wrote:
24 yrs old

6’,7"

175lbs

IBS/Lactose

CURRENT WEIGHT GOAL 200LBS

Been working out on/off for the past year learning my body & exercises.

My weight fluctuates 170-175lbs but can’t gain weight because I have a super fast metabolism.

I eat a decent amount, usually spend like $500/mo on food.

Not trying to be lazy but am stuck & ain’t going anywhere.

Buddy of mine sold me some stuff, supposed to be good stuff, read alot of reviews & don’t see any problems but also don’t know much about it.

Any comments or have any suggestions on stuff to try?[/quote]

So since everyone left it out… whats your work out routine? Whats your diet like for the past week. Third if you do not understand anything about steroids it might be smart to look into it more and research.

[quote]conservativedog wrote:

[quote]BUDs wrote:
OP, I work on transmission power lines and climb 150’ towers almost everyday and I STILL manage to eat enough. I drag my cooler up the damn tower and that’s where I eat. Whenever I get a second I stuff my face. May not have time to eat a full meal but I manage to eat something real quick. Point is you gotta eat, and your body type you have to eat even more.[/quote]

Ever had any close calls falling off?

BUDs how did you get into that line of work?
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Ya once, but my harness caught me. I was getting ready to walk out onto one of the arms and lost my footing and drop about 6’ until my lanyard on my harness caught me, never had such a eerie, sick feeling. Even though I was strapped in, that sudden free fall and being up that high it’s indescribable feeling. You don’t see a whole lot of free climbing anymore because OSHA and company policies but some guys still do it. Ill free climb to a certain point then strap in.

I was an electrician for awhile and one of the jobs I was on I started talking to one of the guys that work for dwp and he told me about it. So I put my name on a list, got all my certs, then went to a climbing school and once I got out I applied every place I could. That whole process took about 2 years. Then I landed a job for a company and the work was way the fuck out in Arizona in the middle of nowhere, did that for about year and a half until I landed my dream job for the company I really wanted (I won’t say) I don’t know how I did, but I did and now I’m back in Southern California and have been working for this company for about 5 years now.

I will agree with what has been posted here. Work on your nutrition and eating enough. You clearly are not eating enough even though you think you are. My eyes were truly opened when I got with a Team Universe competitor for many years and he showed me how to eat. I thought I was going to explode the first couple of weeks.

I am 5’11 and was 235 lbs before I ever touched gear. You really should hold off like people have said until you can gain weight without it. Gear is not going to magically make you gain weight without eating enough calories/ protein. It is simple physics.

[quote]BUDs wrote:

Ya once, but my harness caught me. I was getting ready to walk out onto one of the arms and lost my footing and drop about 6’ until my lanyard on my harness caught me, never had such a eerie, sick feeling. Even though I was strapped in, that sudden free fall and being up that high it’s indescribable feeling. You don’t see a whole lot of free climbing anymore because OSHA and company policies but some guys still do it. Ill free climb to a certain point then strap in.
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Well damn what do you do for excitement? That’s a story BUDs.

How hard is it to right yourself and does circulation get cut off in legs when full weight is supported in safety harness?

[quote]conservativedog wrote:

[quote]BUDs wrote:

Ya once, but my harness caught me. I was getting ready to walk out onto one of the arms and lost my footing and drop about 6’ until my lanyard on my harness caught me, never had such a eerie, sick feeling. Even though I was strapped in, that sudden free fall and being up that high it’s indescribable feeling. You don’t see a whole lot of free climbing anymore because OSHA and company policies but some guys still do it. Ill free climb to a certain point then strap in.
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Well damn what do you do for excitement? That’s a story BUDs.

How hard is it to right yourself and does circulation get off in legs when full weight is supported in safety harness? [/quote]

Well when your hanging there your right side up, but it’s hard to pull yourself up because the safety line is behind you. After the guys on my crew got a quick chuckle, they drop a hook ladder down and I climb up.

I was only hanging for a few minutes so I didn’t lose circulation but I could see it happening if you were hanging there for awhile.

There may be a lot of people on here being dicks but im sorry, if your looking to workout, gain muscle and just become a stronger version of yourself overall, you need to start with your mind first it sounds like. It doesn’t matter how much money you spend on food or what kind of job you have ITS NOT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO BUT WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO.

Pack meals… watch Kai green on Youtube thats basic to advanced body building and muscle gaining MUSTS!!!
Your skinny PERIOD!!! You need to eat and take shakes and then when your not doing anything… EAT AND DRINK A SHAKE AGAIN! You have a lot to work on still yet before your even in the league of starting to think about steroids. Working out is a lifestyle and if you can’t understand that you don’t know what it is to really workout yet. Everyone is simply saying your not ready for the juice and i’d agree.

-You need to workout steady no matter if you stop seeing gains on the scale or in the gym. If your plateauing a lot of time its your workout program. You should always be doing new shit and challenging your body or it will never grow past a certain point… If you don’t want to be normal you have to train like an animal…SIMPLE.

-You need to be able to increase you intake of calories by at least 1500-2000 when you go on the juice and with your excuses again you wouldn’t be ready to make that commitment.
-And one of the last ones I will touch on is that you obviously have no clue on nutritional values of anything because you seem to think that by adding more olive oil gives you more calories…

You have a lot to learn before you even attempt the juice and my suggestion to you would be to go find a good training partner or a good trainer who is hard on you and train and eat steady for a good year and do your research along the way.

You need to remember that just because you take the “juice” doesn’t mean your going to look like Kai Greene or Arnold in a month Or put on that 60 lbs of muscle you want with out balls to the wall GOOD OL HARD WORK AND DEDICATION TO YOURSELF. One of the best videos i’ve seen that would explain the decision to use steroids to an amateur like you is here (Dave Tate on Human Potential - YouTube)

Im not trying to be a dick, seriously, just want you to remember that your body is your machine that gets you through this life. Why risk its health in the long run just because you are impatient. You are still young and may not feel it yet or for a while, but bad decisions ALWAYS catch up to you. Its just a matter of when…

?Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet.? ― Aristotle

Good luck to you bud. Work hard and prove everyone wrong, come back and lets all discuss your next step. Just never give up

[quote]BUDs wrote:

[quote]conservativedog wrote:

[quote]BUDs wrote:

Ya once, but my harness caught me. I was getting ready to walk out onto one of the arms and lost my footing and drop about 6’ until my lanyard on my harness caught me, never had such a eerie, sick feeling. Even though I was strapped in, that sudden free fall and being up that high it’s indescribable feeling. You don’t see a whole lot of free climbing anymore because OSHA and company policies but some guys still do it. Ill free climb to a certain point then strap in.
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Well damn what do you do for excitement? That’s a story BUDs.

How hard is it to right yourself and does circulation get off in legs when full weight is supported in safety harness? [/quote]

Well when your hanging there your right side up, but it’s hard to pull yourself up because the safety line is behind you. After the guys on my crew got a quick chuckle, they drop a hook ladder down and I climb up.

I was only hanging for a few minutes so I didn’t lose circulation but I could see it happening if you were hanging there for awhile.[/quote]

Respect BUD. I am a lineman in hawaii and I do the same job just that we still free climb down here and we do it on 150+ ft wooden poles sometimes on the edge of 2000ft cliffs. its a crazy job but oh so exciting for the mind.
I agree I sometimes have to take a helicopter into the mountains and we stay there all day working on the poles, Ill always have my cooler with my 3 meals packed. NO MATTER WHAT. its become a routine and it should be(IF YOUR SERIOUS ABOUT YOUR GAINZ!) haha.

I don’t know if its just me but the whole climbing and hanging off of poles and towers aspect has really got me in touch with my body and made me really want to get in shape and understand myself more because of the fact that you work so close between live wires and at ridiculous heights that you want to always be in control in those situations. I feel my training is the reason i excel at this job. it really saves my ass a lot of times.

Awesome a fellow lineman

I couldn’t agree more, I couldn’t imagine being out of shape and doing this job. Having to hold yourself in awkward positions or being in your hooks for 10 plus hours while being on a backside of a leaner haha it pays to be in shape. But I couldn’t imagine doing anything else, everyday is a rush, I can truly say I love going to work.

I worked for a company for a bit that allowed us to free climb, but the company I’m with now won’t allow it past a certain point. I bet you have some amazing views on top of those poles in Hawaii. I did the helicopter once, had us suspended about 50’ below the helicopter and drop me and another guy in to clear some brush for a pole going in, since I was new and it was my first time, on the way back they dunked me into the lake that was on the way back haha had to work the rest of the day soaking wet

Diet aside I think it’s possible your training may be off too. Are you actually doing mass building, compound exercises like squats, dead lifts, dips, bench, chin ups?

Or are you one of those guys who goes to the power rack and does bicep curls?