Starve Yourself and Increase Your Life Expectancy

[quote] LoRez wrote:
I think Aubrey de Grey is onto something with his approach of “aging is a disease”, and looking at the mechanisms behind it, and trying to find ways to eliminate and reverse them.

He also has an epic beard.

A roadmap to end aging | Aubrey de Grey - YouTube [/quote]

Interesting watch. His core message was to counter aging by means of gene therapy and to effect a paradigm shift where it would be morally and socially acceptable (read: legal) to tamper with human DNA because it would be selfish of us to deny our descendants the option of living longer lives. The German guy at the end asked the right question.

Reproduction is nature’s way of circumventing death.

The airplane timeline was baloney.

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote] LoRez wrote:
I think Aubrey de Grey is onto something with his approach of “aging is a disease”, and looking at the mechanisms behind it, and trying to find ways to eliminate and reverse them.
[/quote]

Interesting watch. His core message was to counter aging by means of gene therapy and to effect a paradigm shift where it would be morally and socially acceptable (read: legal) to tamper with human DNA because it would be selfish of us to deny our descendants the option of living longer lives. The German guy at the end asked the right question.

Reproduction is nature’s way of circumventing death.

The airplane timeline was baloney. [/quote]

He’s basically narrowed it down to 7 things that cause “aging”, and is looking at them individually to slow or reverse them.

Mutations - in Chromosomes causing cancer due to nuclear mutations/epimutations:
These are changes to the nuclear DNA (nDNA), the molecule that contains our genetic information, or to proteins which bind to the nDNA. Certain mutations can lead to cancer, and, according to de Grey, non-cancerous mutations and epimutations do not contribute to aging within a normal lifespan, so cancer is the only endpoint of these types of damage that must be addressed.

Mutations - in Mitochondria:
Mitochondria are components in our cells that are important for energy production. They contain their own genetic material, and mutations to their DNA can affect a cell’s ability to function properly. Indirectly, these mutations may accelerate many aspects of aging.

Junk - inside of cells, aka intracellular aggregates:
Our cells are constantly breaking down proteins and other molecules that are no longer useful or which can be harmful. Those molecules which can’t be digested simply accumulate as junk inside our cells. Atherosclerosis, macular degeneration and all kinds of neurodegenerative diseases (such as Alzheimer’s disease) are associated with this problem.

Junk - outside of cells, aka extracellular aggregates:
Harmful junk protein can also accumulate outside of our cells. The amyloid senile plaque seen in the brains of Alzheimer’s patients is one example.

Cells - too few, aka cellular loss:
Some of the cells in our bodies cannot be replaced, or can only be replaced very slowly - more slowly than they die. This decrease in cell number causes the heart to become weaker with age, and it also causes Parkinson’s disease and impairs the immune system.

Cells - too many, aka Cell senescence:
This is a phenomenon where the cells are no longer able to divide, but also do not die and let others divide. They may also do other things that they’re not supposed to, like secreting proteins that could be harmful. Immune senescence and type 2 diabetes are caused by this.

Extracellular protein crosslinks:
Cells are held together by special linking proteins. When too many cross-links form between cells in a tissue, the tissue can lose its elasticity and cause problems including arteriosclerosis and presbyopia.

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote] LoRez wrote:
I think Aubrey de Grey is onto something with his approach of “aging is a disease”, and looking at the mechanisms behind it, and trying to find ways to eliminate and reverse them.
[/quote]

Interesting watch. His core message was to counter aging by means of gene therapy and to effect a paradigm shift where it would be morally and socially acceptable (read: legal) to tamper with human DNA because it would be selfish of us to deny our descendants the option of living longer lives. The German guy at the end asked the right question.

Reproduction is nature’s way of circumventing death.

The airplane timeline was baloney. [/quote]

He’s basically narrowed it down to 7 things that cause “aging”, and is looking at them individually to slow or reverse them.

Mutations - in Chromosomes causing cancer due to nuclear mutations/epimutations:
These are changes to the nuclear DNA (nDNA), the molecule that contains our genetic information, or to proteins which bind to the nDNA. Certain mutations can lead to cancer, and, according to de Grey, non-cancerous mutations and epimutations do not contribute to aging within a normal lifespan, so cancer is the only endpoint of these types of damage that must be addressed.

Mutations - in Mitochondria:
Mitochondria are components in our cells that are important for energy production. They contain their own genetic material, and mutations to their DNA can affect a cell’s ability to function properly. Indirectly, these mutations may accelerate many aspects of aging.

Junk - inside of cells, aka intracellular aggregates:
Our cells are constantly breaking down proteins and other molecules that are no longer useful or which can be harmful. Those molecules which can’t be digested simply accumulate as junk inside our cells. Atherosclerosis, macular degeneration and all kinds of neurodegenerative diseases (such as Alzheimer’s disease) are associated with this problem.

Junk - outside of cells, aka extracellular aggregates:
Harmful junk protein can also accumulate outside of our cells. The amyloid senile plaque seen in the brains of Alzheimer’s patients is one example.

Cells - too few, aka cellular loss:
Some of the cells in our bodies cannot be replaced, or can only be replaced very slowly - more slowly than they die. This decrease in cell number causes the heart to become weaker with age, and it also causes Parkinson’s disease and impairs the immune system.

Cells - too many, aka Cell senescence:
This is a phenomenon where the cells are no longer able to divide, but also do not die and let others divide. They may also do other things that they’re not supposed to, like secreting proteins that could be harmful. Immune senescence and type 2 diabetes are caused by this.

Extracellular protein crosslinks:
Cells are held together by special linking proteins. When too many cross-links form between cells in a tissue, the tissue can lose its elasticity and cause problems including arteriosclerosis and presbyopia.[/quote]

He didn’t talk about mutations at all in the vid. He did repeatedly refer to as yet undiscovered “therapies”, and since diet wasn’t a topic either, we know what those proposed therapies are. He is trying to make an ethical argument for life extension via genetics. Of course you can argue that death is a disease if you find a cure, but I never once heard him talk of of death as a disease or claiming to have found one.

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
My Asians keep running away before I can punch them efficiently. Is anyone else having this problem?[/quote]

No, but everytime I punch one, I want to punch another just an hour later.[/quote]

probably b/c they’re high in carbs[/quote]
LOL

[quote]roybot wrote:
He didn’t talk about mutations at all in the vid. He did repeatedly refer to as yet undiscovered “therapies”, and since diet wasn’t a topic either, we know what those proposed therapies are. He is trying to make an ethical argument for life extension via genetics. Of course you can argue that death is a disease if you find a cure, but I never once heard him talk of of death as a disease or claiming to have found one. [/quote]

Yeah, that video was an older TED talk of his; less of a discussion of his ideas and work – and as you said – this video was basically him making an ethical argument (and, quite likely, as a bid to get some people funding him).

However, on his slide discussing the engineering approach between geriatrics and gerontology, he shows all 7 points mentioned above. Just didn’t actually talk about them.

Somewhere along the years of hearing about this guy, he was using the line “aging is disease” or “death is a disease”. He might have moved away from that tagline over time.

Regardless, I’m all for the concepts he’s focusing on. I care less about the fact that the end result is to eliminate aging altogether, as for the fact that if he can reduce the deleterious affects of aging (and effectively let older people live lives in a younger body), I’m all for that.

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:
He didn’t talk about mutations at all in the vid. He did repeatedly refer to as yet undiscovered “therapies”, and since diet wasn’t a topic either, we know what those proposed therapies are. He is trying to make an ethical argument for life extension via genetics. Of course you can argue that death is a disease if you find a cure, but I never once heard him talk of of death as a disease or claiming to have found one. [/quote]

Yeah, that video was an older TED talk of his; less of a discussion of his ideas and work – and as you said – this video was basically him making an ethical argument (and, quite likely, as a bid to get some people funding him).

However, on his slide discussing the engineering approach between geriatrics and gerontology, he shows all 7 points mentioned above. Just didn’t actually talk about them.

Somewhere along the years of hearing about this guy, he was using the line “aging is disease” or “death is a disease”. He might have moved away from that tagline over time.

Regardless, I’m all for the concepts he’s focusing on. I care less about the fact that the end result is to eliminate aging altogether, as for the fact that if he can reduce the deleterious affects of aging (and effectively let older people live lives in a younger body), I’m all for that.[/quote]

He personally can’t reduce aging. He’s just proposing a theoretical argument that, in his mind, would make it more acceptable if such a therapy was discovered.

He totally dismisses fear of death as an excuse when everybody fears death, even he does. That why he’s looking to cure it with semantics:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
My Asians keep running away before I can punch them efficiently. Is anyone else having this problem?[/quote]

No, but everytime I punch one, I want to punch another just an hour later.[/quote]

Does punching asian women count? On a bus? What if it is an Asian guy who sound like woman. Would you be disappoint?

As far as I know there is a significant amount of legitimate, well researched data that supports the idea that systematic under eating and periodic fasting slows aging, extends life and improves almost every known marker for metabolic health, provided no malnutrition occurs. This means you would potentially live longer, but you would enjoy enhanced and extended health and vitality as well. No drug, supplement or superfood to date can touch straight up calorie restriction. Bummer. I love eatin’ shit. Lots o’ shit.

I would think that periodic fasts would be of the greatest value to people who want to maintain a level of muscularity and athletic performance. IMO it is possible various IF protocols may allow people to take advantage of this without needing to starve themselves until they look like Christian Bale in The Machinist. We were built for feast AND famine. It’s reasonable to me that they both serve a purpose.

[quote]batman730 wrote:
I love eatin’ shit. Lots o’ shit.

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I just went to a new burger joint with 90+ burgers on the menu.

I opted for something called the “Elvis Burger”, which was a half-pound patty smeared with peanut butter and covered in fried bananas. They also arbitrarily threw bacon on it.

This life extension thing is not going to work out for me. I could hear my mitochondria and telomeres groan in agony with every bite of that awesome mess.

I sometimes do some reading over on the forums at “Longecity” ( life-extension, health, nootropics, etc) and they seem to be a bit worried with this new study that has come out that has failed to show the benefits of caloric restriction. Apparently, the major study done on apes that supports caloric restriction had some flaws that were corrected in this second study and now that they have corrected those flaws, they have failed to find the same benefits as before.

Basically, the apes in the first study that were not restricted were able to eat freely, that is, as much as they wanted to, whereas, in the second study the apes not on caloric restriction were given a diet to maintain a normal BW. Also, the composition of the diet was changed in the second study.

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
My Asians keep running away before I can punch them efficiently. Is anyone else having this problem?[/quote]

No, but everytime I punch one, I want to punch another just an hour later.[/quote]

probably b/c they’re high in carbs[/quote]

Running like Tom Cruise.

[quote]roybot wrote:
He personally can’t reduce aging. He’s just proposing a theoretical argument that, in his mind, would make it more acceptable if such a therapy was discovered.

He totally dismisses fear of death as an excuse when everybody fears death, even he does. That why he’s looking to cure it with semantics:
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Website seems to have a bit of doublespeak, but from what I can tell, he actually IS working on the research, or at least directing it… not just arguing for it.

Work is being done at:

  • SENS Foundation Research Center in Mountain View, California
  • University of Texas - Houston (why does everything come back to houston anyway?)
  • Department of Immunobiology at University of Arizona
  • Buck Institute
  • SUNY at Plattsburg
  • Arizona State University
  • French National Institute of Health and Medical Research
  • Cambridge University
  • Institut de la Vision at Pierre and Marie Curie University, Paris

It’s not just talk.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
My Asians keep running away before I can punch them efficiently. Is anyone else having this problem?[/quote]

You got to pick the right Asians

[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:
I love eatin’ shit. Lots o’ shit.

[/quote]

I just went to a new burger joint with 90+ burgers on the menu.

I opted for something called the “Elvis Burger”, which was a half-pound patty smeared with peanut butter and covered in fried bananas. They also arbitrarily threw bacon on it.

This life extension thing is not going to work out for me. I could hear my mitochondria and telomeres groan in agony with every bite of that awesome mess.[/quote]

Outstanding. Totally worth dying early for. Serious.

Of course, the argument could be made that if you fast between eating awesome things from time to time, you will live longer and thus have the chance to eat more awesome things. Not sure if I’d be willing to risk it though.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
My Asians keep running away before I can punch them efficiently. Is anyone else having this problem?[/quote]

You got to pick the right Asians[/quote]

That guy is not Asian.

[quote]maverick88 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
My Asians keep running away before I can punch them efficiently. Is anyone else having this problem?[/quote]

You got to pick the right Asians[/quote]

That guy is not Asian.[/quote]

He does Sumo, therefore he is Asian.

Stereotypes.

Its whats for breakfast.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]maverick88 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
My Asians keep running away before I can punch them efficiently. Is anyone else having this problem?[/quote]

You got to pick the right Asians[/quote]

That guy is not Asian.[/quote]

He does Sumo, therefore he is Asian.

Stereotypes.

Its whats for breakfast. [/quote]

Thank you. That post made me want to slap an Asian.

I just for some reason get this undertone of Asain hatred with this thread.

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
I just for some reason get this undertone of Asain hatred with this thread.[/quote]

Well, apparently I hate Asians and women, dont get me started on Asian women, so I have already covered 3/4 of humanity.

Btw, if you can hear a dog whistle, you are a dog.

Just not an Asian dog, someone would have eaten your ears already.

Next, Latin Americans, onward and upward.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
I just for some reason get this undertone of Asain hatred with this thread.[/quote]

Well, apparently I hate Asians and women, dont get me started on Asian women, so I have already covered 3/4 of humanity.

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I’m so sorry for your loss