Starting Daily Anastrozole. I Don't Care What You Say

[ncsugrad2002]

Figured. Just had to ask.

Wonder why mine has increased. Here’s what my history looks like for prolactin. Really sucks I don’t have any data from before I was having any issues

“Normal” is 4-15.2

[dbossa]

That IS high. Ever had a MRI done to rule out a prolactinoma?

[ncsugrad2002]

I have not. I am considering it though. Is there anything they can really do for it if they do find something or is it more like cool this is what’s causing it, stay on TRT like I’m already doing?

I’d pretty much have brain surgery at this point to be able to like a normal person where it’s not a big deal. I guess the prolactin number at least could explain the decreased sensitivity and increased refractory period. TRT has helped and there have been periods where I felt normal, but I don’t think I’m 100% normal and even when I’ve been close it comes and goes.

I have a lab req for one more prolactin test the doc wanted me to get before maybe doing mri. Though at this point it appears the trend is already pretty clear.

I ordered some p5p earlier today, so I have that and caber on hand but would rather stay away from the latter if possible.

[dbossa]

There are things that can be done. Really depends what they find, where it’s located, how big it is, etc. Always good to look into what it is and what the options are.

[vonko1988]

Im using caber for a year. My advice is is if you wanna start it, start with 0.125mg twice a week(quarter of a tablet) and retest prolactin after two weeks

Im using 0.250mg twice a week to maintain my prolactin below upper range, but I have pituitary issues that likely contributed a lot to my testosterone deficiency

[ncsugrad2002]

I might start even lower than that but yeah def need to start low if I ever decide to try it again. I looked back at my notes and I wasn’t super consistent when I tried it a long time ago but I was roughly taking 0.5mg/week and that was too much, prolactin was below the low “normal”, hate to do that again. I felt better when I stopped taking it that time but I don’t know if it was just too much for me or what. My prolactin was also like half what it is now so there’s that too.

[vonko1988]

For 2 months after starting the drug I had unpleasant side effects I guess related to the dopamine rush. After that I stopped feeling the drug at all

[equel]

Oh ya plenty, just google it, many studies amongs rats and also humans. Dont listen too much on danny, he is getting crazier every day now.

[dbossa]

How are studies in rats relevant when we have 80+ years of research in humans?

[Gossamer]

@equel

Oh ya plenty, just google it, many studies amongs rats and also humans. Dont listen too much on danny, he is getting crazier every day now.

[sarcasm] Yes, don’t listen to @dbossa who backs everything he claims, with evidence. Listen to @equel who doesn’t back anything he says.[/sarcasm]

[equel]

This thread is really funny seeing this dude with his estrogen Rage. Saved for future laughs.

[tareload]

@dbossa

Please provide these studies that indicate arimidex being beneficial to health.

Okay it was letrozole not anastrozole. Was already provided above.

Starting Daily Anastrozole. I Don't Care What You Say

Yep Could the same outcome potentially have been achieved using HCG monotherapy with less downsides being a benefit over letrozole?

Never ending revolving door.

[kazuya_mishima1]

Anytime the anti AI E2 loving brigade try to play this supposed neutral and open minded game, I dig up old posts just like this to remind myself what dogmatic biased nut cases they are. It also shows things come full circle, and the push back they are getting now a days is due to this sort of crap for years on this forum ruining plenty of people TRT experience.

They plagued the community for way too long and were just as bad as KSman. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

And you know it was a plague when you got rookies who haven’t been on TRT for a year rehashing the same old drivel trying to teach others.

[crashnet]

The more I re-read old posts of KSMan, the more I think he was right more often than not.

[roscoe88]

Same.

The guy was very passionate about TRT and liked E2 at about 22. He got WAY WAY more flack than he deserved and was run out of here unfortunitely.

[tareload]

@roscoe88

was run out of here unfortunitely.

Really?

I thought he just moved on which was smart:

A Blast from the Past

With ever increasing traffic here and my age, just turned 70, moving into a new home doing reno and fixing old and selling the old house… After 10 years here I simply could not carry on. Some individuals offering hostility was not helpful, or perhaps it actually was. The death of my father, vital to 101 years, did seem to be punctuation. Meanwhile the new house has a very large gym with 1/2" rubber flooring I am stronger now then ever in youth. T and hGH takes me past my genetics. I will not…

His thyroid take and Wilson’s Syndrome stuff/iodine stuff was frightening. Put in a lot of effort here as I would expect from a diligent engineer. A lot of well meaning people on here.

[Robroy]

They are on reddit too. Same reasoning, same stupid arguments, same ad hominems.

[kazuya_mishima1]

Yup and you ask them how long they been on TRT… 2 months…

[disciplined_trt]

@dixiewrecked, any update on your low dose AI use? Did you discontinue?

I think the exchange below is very telling. Notice how Danny completely ignores @unreal24278 's point about dosages of Adex used to treat women with breast cancer in those studies?

@unreal24278

It should be noted the dosages of AI’s used to treat breast cancer supercede dosages used by bodybuilders to lower estrogen.

With anastrazole for breast cancer you’re looking at around 1mg/day. Aromatase inhibitors have risks, there’s no denying that. But you can’t really compare AI use in a TRT/AAS context with the protocals used in patients who have ER positive breast cancer. With ER positive breast cancer you’re trying to wipe out estrogen, the same can’t be said for bodybuilders (aside from pre-contest).

Estrogen is important for maintaining/optimising bone mineral density (as are androgens to an extent), glucose/lipid metabolism, NO production etc. But similarly to testosterone a therapeutic window exists, you can have too much (and it’ll almost always be correlated with an excess of testosterone). That being said, those with hepatic dysfunction, klinefelter’s syndrome, aromatase excess syndrome etc may legitimately require an AI (T/E ratio might be skewed)

@dbossa

Agreed about Klinefters and aromatase excess syndrome. For the latter I’ve seen a single case out of thousands. There is one case of Klinefters in our FB group of over 5000 members. This is an EXCEPTIONAL circumstance that doesn’t apply to 99.99% of men on TRT. We are talking about a true, clinical, underlying condition. Not just some typical guy with an androgen deficiency. Apples and oranges

[kazuya_mishima1]

He preached very dogmatically like Danny, and then decided to call it quits and runout when simply questioned. He was the opposite side of the same coin in my opinion. That 1mg arimidex per 100mg of T was just insane to tell everyone to do, then the whole tsh and iodine thing.