[quote]orion wrote:
Zeb, in essence you are advocating violence against people that do not share your beliefs. State controlled, public trial, civilized violence, but violence…
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That is the wackiest comment that I have read on these boards in a long time. And that my friend is no small award as I have read every one of Prof X’s posts on this topic.
I have never advocated violence against anyone for any reason! You either know this and are lying, or you need some time off in order to regain your lost faculties.
Debating with liberals is usually like this. One accuses me of insanity because I disagree with him. And the other makes stuff up.
[quote]Diomede wrote:
I dont see why religion has to be brought into the abortion debate. Anyone with a shred of knowledge about science knows that a zygote is the first stage of human development that ends ultimately with death. Now, does consciousness happen with a zygote? Probably not, but why should that be what determines whether you can kill it.
And it is a joke to say “you shouldn’t try and force your beliefs on other people” to pro lifers. HELLO they think you’re trying to force your beliefs onto an innocent life(the baby).
It is like an overlord telling an abolitionist “you may believe all people are equal, but i dont, so don’t force your beliefs on me.” I’m sure you’ll say “no no no its different, because another person is involved with your decision(the slave),” but pro-lifers believe another life is involved when abortion is at stake.
So, please, stop with this “dont force your beliefs on me” as an attack on pro-lifers.
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That is not the same because I am pretty sure I am a human being , as where slaves, whereas a fertilized egg is probably not.
If I scratch my butt I “abort” more human live than that.
What is even more important, us “liberals” want the freedom to make our own choices, conservative christians can feel free to do whatever they want.
They, however would, without any hesitation, use violence to force us to live according to their (religious) beliefs.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
orion wrote:
Zeb, in essence you are advocating violence against people that do not share your beliefs. State controlled, public trial, civilized violence, but violence…
That is the wackiest comment that I have read on these boards in a long time. And that my friend is no small award as I have read every one of Prof X’s posts on this topic.
I have never advocated violence against anyone for any reason! You either know this and are lying, or you need some time off in order to regain your lost faculties.
Debating with liberals is usually like this. One accuses me of insanity because I disagree with him. And the other makes stuff up.
You wonder why you guys can’t win an election?
(Cue the Dean scream…LOL)
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I am lying?
What would happen if a clinic performed abortions even if it was forbidden?
What would happen to the doctors, nurses, the woman having the abortion?
Law enforcement, trial, jail time, i.e. VIOLENCE !!!
You just would not do it yourself, the Spanish Inqu…, um, US law enforcement would do the job for you.
God forbid we have a guy that is actually enthusiastic about getting to the White House, instead of a dolt that follows in daddy’s footsteps.
It is sad that that one rally sunk his campaign. America is full of retards.
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For real. I saw that one clip and still don’t see what the big deal was. It was like they had nothing else to jump on so they pulverized the man on one loud scream during a rally. For that to affect anyone’s voting patterns must mean the average IQ is on par with french toast.
[quote]nephorm wrote:
orion wrote:
What would happen if a clinic performed abortions even if it was forbidden?
What would happen to the doctors, nurses, the woman having the abortion?
Law enforcement, trial, jail time, i.e. VIOLENCE !!!
You just would not do it yourself, the Spanish Inqu…, um, US law enforcement would do the job for you.
Which can be said of anything that is against the law. You are overstating your case considerably.[/quote]
Yes that can be said of anything that is against the law. Doesn?t change the violent nature of it, which is why criminal law should be one of the last resorts.
He wants the government to enforce ideas that are either religious or are based on religious ideas, which is not exactly what the US founding fathers envisioned.
see Leviticus for a christian point of view, (day 17), but normally when theory of mind kicks in makes you a human being, able to empathise and read intention.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
You wonder why you guys can’t win an election?
(Cue the Dean scream…LOL)
Enough with the Dean scream.
God forbid we have a guy that is actually enthusiastic about getting to the White House, instead of a dolt that follows in daddy’s footsteps.
It is sad that that one rally sunk his campaign. America is full of retards.
For real. I saw that one clip and still don’t see what the big deal was. It was like they had nothing else to jump on so they pulverized the man on one loud scream during a rally. For that to affect anyone’s voting patterns must mean the average IQ is on par with french toast.[/quote]
Americans want their president to be dignified. A calm and composed individual simply comes across as a better leader than someone who flakes out and screams. When Gore walked toward Bush during their debates, I knew he was toast: Americans also don’t like someone who comes across as a bully or overly aggressive.
That Dean did not realize any of the above tells me that he did NOT do his homework. We at least hope that our presidents will be gentlemen.
The human zygote will not become a chicken. It is a human! To kill it for convenience is a despicable act.
It will also not become a human without the mother as the host. Regardless of your own personal values, why is it you care what anyone else’s values are? You may never make a decision for an abortion. I hope to never make a decision for one. That doesn’t mean that I attempt to make everyone else hold onto my personal values.[/quote]
The zygote/fetus/baby never gets to make a decision either if he/she is aborted.
Perhaps our society can do our best to give it the opportunity to live rather than have it aborted for convenience.
I don’t think we should totally eliminate abortion, there are likely some times it is the right choice. I am sure that it is not the right choice in the majority of cases.
I saw a Frontline report on what is allegedly the last abortion clinic in Mississippi.
I was sicked by the crap.
The head of the clinic was encouraging abortion, telling some patient it was “the courageous choice”. What a load of crap. Having and raising a kid is courageous. Killing it is not.
She was also bitching because by state law she cannot give an abortion the same day as the first visit. Kind of like a waiting period. Heaven forbid these people have to take two days off from work to end the life of an unborn child.
He wants the government to enforce ideas that are either religious or are based on religious ideas, which is not exactly what the US founding fathers envisioned.
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WRONG!
I want the law to protect an innocent life that cannot protect itself. Which in no way contradicts what our founding fathers wanted.
He wants the government to enforce ideas that are either religious or are based on religious ideas, which is not exactly what the US founding fathers envisioned.
WRONG!
I want the law to protect an innocent life that cannot protect itself. Which in no way contradicts what our founding fathers wanted.[/quote]
But you do want the government involved in that innocent life protection enterprise of yours?
Any suggestions how that could happen in a non-violent way?
Do you understand the VIOLENT nature of abortion?
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If the aborion is performed in the first few weeks, no, I do not understand it.
Which leads me to believe that even borderline sane people (and oh, there are so precious few of them) can have different opinions on this…
So, maybe this is something that should not be dealt with using laws and the justice system and everyone should mind his own business regarding that matter?
So, maybe this is something that should not be dealt with using laws and the justice system and everyone should mind his own business regarding that matter?[/quote]
Or, maybe those so worried about abortions could help make the lives of the children already on this planet who are abdandoned or living in poverty a little better. You would think with all of the focus on people not living yet, the ones already alive would be FIRST priority.
