Son of Hamas Leader Renounces Islam

[quote]Chushin wrote:
What a crock of rationalizing, convenient bullshit.[/quote]

Yeah, we know you have an aversion to rational thinking.

No. God knows what “REAL Islam is”. I just happen to read His Word in the Quran and interpret it to the best of my ability.

Also, those who disagree with me tend to step up the killing and kidnapping during the sacred month of Ramadan. The trend is inarguable from Algiers to Baghdad. Moreover, they lash at believers a shitload more than pagans. Which contradicts Dhickey’s verse directly.

[quote]lixy wrote:
Chushin wrote:
What a crock of rationalizing, convenient bullshit.

Yeah, we know you have an aversion to rational thinking.

Muslims all over the world disagree with him, but Lixy knows what REAL Islam is.

No. God knows what “REAL Islam is”. I just happen to read His Word in the Quran and interpret it to the best of my ability.

Also, those who disagree with me tend to step up the killing and kidnapping during the sacred month of Ramadan. The trend is inarguable from Algiers to Baghdad. Moreover, they lash at believers a shitload more than pagans. Which contradicts Dhickey’s verse directly.[/quote]

It’s not my verse. It’s yours.

[quote]lixy wrote:

Well, if you know what “Allah instructed” there’s probably little point to debating this with you.

The Quran isn’t a compilation of instructions. It’s a collection of stories, wisdom, descriptions, orders to the prophet, orders to Mankind, etc. There are passages that are clearly meant as general guidelines. Others, were specific bits and pieces destined to particular events. And that’s where using your brains comes into play.
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This must be your own personal definition of what the quran is. I have certainly never heard this description before. To most it is a Message from Allah to humanity. The Quran is one leg of two which form the basis of Islam. The second leg is the Sunnah of the Prophet which is even more damning. Unlike the Sunnah, the Quran is quite literally the Word of Allah, whereas the Sunnah was inspired by Allah but the wording and actions are the Prophet’s. The Sunnah better fits your description. The Quran has not been expressed using any human’s words. Its wording is letter for letter fixed by no one but Allah. Not a series of anacdotes like you suggest.

I don’t think muslims are supposed to anything. The quran, sunnah, and history tell us what many think they are to do.

[quote]lixy wrote:
It’s not exactly fresh news, Pat. The interview may be an “interesting read” to some, but it’s mostly a train-wreck.

Why should anyone care anyway? Is it because he carries some Sheikh’s genes? I, for one, couldn’t possibly care any less.

“Let there be no compulsion in religion” – Quran 2:256[/quote]

Surah 2:256, in context:

Immediately following is the famous statement that “there is no compulsion in religion” (v. 256). Islamic spokesmen in the West frequently quote it to disprove the contention that Islam spread by the sword, or even to claim that Islam is a religion of peace. According to an early Muslim, Mujahid ibn Jabr, this verse was abrogated by Qur’an 9:29, in which the Muslims are commanded to fight against the People of the Book. Others, however, according to the Islamic historian Tabari, say that 2:256 was never abrogated, but was revealed precisely in reference to the People of the Book. They are not to be forced to accept Islam, but may practice their religions as long as they pay the jizya (poll-tax) and “feel themselves subdued” (9:29).

Many see v. 256 as contradicting the Islamic imperative to wage jihad against unbelievers, but actually there is no contradiction because the aim of jihad is not the forced conversion of non-Muslims, but their subjugation within the Islamic social order. Says Asad: “All Islamic jurists (fuqahd’), without any exception, hold that forcible conversion is under all circumstances null and void, and that any attempt at coercing a non-believer to accept the faith of Islam is a grievous sin: a verdict which disposes of the widespread fallacy that Islam places before the unbelievers the alternative of ‘conversion or the sword.’” Quite so: the choice, as laid out by Muhammad himself, is conversion, subjugation as dhimmis, or the sword. Qutb accordingly denies that v. 256 contradicts the imperative to fight until “religion is for Allah” (v. 193), saying that “Islam has not used force to impose its beliefs.” Rather, jihad’s “main objective has been the establishment of a stable society in which all citizens, including followers of other religious creeds, may live in peace and security” - although not with equality of rights before the law, as 9:29 emphasizes. For Qutb, that “stable society” is the “Islamic social order,” the establishment of which is a chief objective of jihad.

In this light verses 256 and 193 go together without any trouble. Muslims must fight until “religion is for Allah,” but they don’t force anyone to accept Allah’s religion. They enforce subservience upon those who refuse to convert, such that many of them subsequently convert to Islam so as to escape the humiliating and discriminatory regulations of dhimmitude - but when they convert, they do so freely. Only at the end of the world will Jesus, the Prophet of Islam, return and Islamize the world, abolishing Christianity and thus the need for the jizya that is paid by the dhimmis. Then religion will be “for Allah,” and there will be no further need for jihad.

[quote]lixy wrote:
Chushin wrote:
What a crock of rationalizing, convenient bullshit.

Yeah, we know you have an aversion to rational thinking.

Muslims all over the world disagree with him, but Lixy knows what REAL Islam is.

No. God knows what “REAL Islam is”. I just happen to read His Word in the Quran and interpret it to the best of my ability.

Also, those who disagree with me tend to step up the killing and kidnapping during the sacred month of Ramadan. The trend is inarguable from Algiers to Baghdad. Moreover, they lash at believers a shitload more than pagans. Which contradicts Dhickey’s verse directly.[/quote]

You mean, they declare the believers apostates and then “lash at them.” There happen to be hardly any non-Muslims left “from Algiers to Baghdad” whom the mujahideen can attack. I wonder why that might be?

Lixy pwned once again.