Something's Wrong w/ my TRT

Pharma / TRT Testosterone Replacement
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All throughout the teenage years, I experienced all of the low testosterone symptoms. When I turned 18 I got my testosterone levels checked, and it was 278 with a 31 E2.

The doctor put me on 100 mg of test per week. (nothing else, just 100 mg per week)

Soon after my Testosterone issues cleared up, and my levels were 860 testosterone, and 22 E2. I felt great. Suddenly I was interested in things I use to be interested in as a kid.

I got to thinking “well if I feel great now, I wonder how I would feel if I got my testosterone to the high end of the normal perameters?”

I talked to my doctor and he said sure, and prescribed me to now take 150mg per week.

6 weeks later I started to feel really depressed, like I was before the treatment. That was my only symptom. I lost all interest in stuff that would normally interested in, that is how the depression manifested.

I talked to my doctor and he said it was only a 1 in 10,000 chance that having too much testosterone would be causing depression. he said if too much testosterone was causing problems, it would cause me to have an aggressive mood.

So he instead chose to test my E2 levels. It was now at 59. So he prescribed me 1 mg of arimidex every day (7mg per week).

Since I post here, I knew that was too much. I started out with only 1 mg per week. Nothing changed. I upped it to 1.5. Nothing changed. I upped it to 2mg, and I feel slightly less depressed, but not nearly as good as before.

Should I continue gradually upping it all the way up to 7mg per week until I find the dose that cures my depression?

I’m really not sure what to do. This depression sucks. I like the benefits of having a super high testosterone, but I want to have this depression cleared up.

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Update: I talked with my mom and she is mad that I won’t go ahead and up my dose to 7 mg a week like the doctor said.

I told her about this forum, and she claims that yall aren’t doctors and that “my metabolism is higher so I would need more arimidex than they would” That sounds like bro-science to me, but whatever. She said the doctor is not going to do a blood test anyways.

Is there anyway I can get my arimidex correctly dosed so that I can resolve this depression?

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folks smarter than me on this forum have said that even when you get your E2 levels where they should be that one’s emotional state/brain chemistry can take a while to normalize. In other words, when you get it right, you should feel a little better within days, better still within a month or so.

If it were me, I think I might try the higher dosage because maybe you’ll notice that you hit a period where you feel pretty good on your way to feeling not quite as good. Then you would have a pretty good idea that you passed the “sweet spot” and needed to scale back your dosage. or you may fax find out that higher dosage is where you need to be.

just my two cents!

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Hahaha, I’ve never heard of a mom being accused of bro-science before.

You need labs before you can do anything. PM me if you live near a LabCorp and want to do it w/o doctor orders.

[quote]jdinatale wrote:
Update: I talked with my mom and she is mad that I won’t go ahead and up my dose to 7 mg a week like the doctor said.

I told her about this forum, and she claims that yall aren’t doctors and that “my metabolism is higher so I would need more arimidex than they would” That sounds like bro-science to me, but whatever. She said the doctor is not going to do a blood test anyways.

Is there anyway I can get my arimidex correctly dosed so that I can resolve this depression?

[/quote]

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1 mg per day is what they perscribe for post-menopausal women with breast cancer in order to eliminate estrogen conversion. It sounds like your doctor does not know much about TRT protocol and the proper way to dose Adex “off label”. 2 mg per week is what I am on now, after having my E2 raise to the mid 50’s. This feels a lot better, but I won’t know for sure if the dosage is correct until my next blood draw in a month. One thing I have heard is that Adex is somewhat self-limiting and taking more will not lower E2 past a certain point, which I believe is around 20% of your baseline level prior to taking it. 1 mg per day is more than enough to put you at that point. If I were you I would stay at the 2 mg per week (try to cut the pills in half and stagger the dosing so that you are not taking a whole pill and then waiting 3-4 days) for a few weeks and see how you do on that. Your other option is to lower your Test dosage back to 100 mg.

How are you administering the test? Why does your doctor not want to do any more blood work? You should be retested every 3-4 months, at least initially. Has your doctor discussed adding HCG to your plan? If not you may not be able to father kids in the future if your nuts stop working for too long.

Edit:

Just to clarify - all men need a minimum level of Estrogen to maintain good health, and while Adex does appear to be self-limiting, a dosage of 1 mg/day could easily put your E2 in the single-digits, which would not only make you feel like shit, but could have long-term health consequences as well (such as an increased risk of osteoporosis or heart disease). So not only are your doctor and mom mis-informed as to the proper administration of TRT, they are potentially damaging your long-term health as well.

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weekly shots will give you a rollcoaster ride. are you still on the 150 per week? your body will compensate and increase aromatase the higher you are above your optimal point. maybe back down to 100mg a week broken into shots E3D.

plus if you are this young and on HRT you should also have all of your other hormones and vitamins checked per the blood test sticky.

are you taking the arimidex in one weekly dose or are you breaking it up?

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why don’t you just go back to 100mg/ week. Your test was in the 800’s! Depression could be caused from a million different things. Do you have a girlfriend? Maybe with all that newfound testosterone you need a ‘release’!

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I take my testosterone like this: 75mg Sunday Night, and 75mg Thursday morning. So that’s basically every 3.5 days.

I take my arimidex like this: .5mg on Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday

I’m thinking the depression might because by something else, because its the ONLY symptom that I am experiencing. It might very well be that lack of a girlfriend, I have never had one or been on a date.

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Thanks guys.

I take 75mg every 3.5 days, so 150mg per week. That’s 75mg Sunday night and 75mg Thursday morning.

I then take .5mg of Arimidex on Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday.

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Women make you more depressed IMO

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[quote]3djedi wrote:
why don’t you just go back to 100mg/ week. Your test was in the 800’s! Depression could be caused from a million different things. Do you have a girlfriend? Maybe with all that newfound testosterone you need a ‘release’![/quote]

X2. No doctor in his right mind should have allowed you to increase yout Test dosage when you were already in the high-normal range. With testosterone and TRT, the right amount is good, but more is not better. If you do this you will still need the Adex, just not as much. You will need to get retested in a periodic basis.

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[quote]pcdude wrote:

[quote]3djedi wrote:
why don’t you just go back to 100mg/ week. Your test was in the 800’s! Depression could be caused from a million different things. Do you have a girlfriend? Maybe with all that newfound testosterone you need a ‘release’![/quote]

X2. No doctor in his right mind should have allowed you to increase yout Test dosage when you were already in the high-normal range. With testosterone and TRT, the right amount is good, but more is not better. If you do this you will still need the Adex, just not as much. You will need to get retested in a periodic basis.[/quote]

The doctor told me that there is nothing inherently wrong with Anabolic steroid level doses of testosterone. He told me that millions of athletes use high doses of Testosterone, and they don’t drop over dead.

So when I asked if I could get to the high range, he goes “Sure, would you like to get to the high range?”

He did a little math on the paper, and decided to give me 150mg per week. It was as easy as that.

Does the doctor have a point? Are there downsides to too high testosterone on TRT?

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[quote]JLWilson wrote:
Women make you more depressed IMO[/quote]

LOL!! Wait til you get married! :wink:

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[quote]jdinatale wrote:
I take my testosterone like this: 75mg Sunday Night, and 75mg Thursday morning. So that’s basically every 3.5 days.

I take my arimidex like this: .5mg on Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday

I’m thinking the depression might because by something else, because its the ONLY symptom that I am experiencing. It might very well be that lack of a girlfriend, I have never had one or been on a date.[/quote]

Yeah, I think you should concentrate on girls. Are you really shy? Maybe you could try an online dating service like match dot com and start off slow talking on the net and then phone. It’s fun! Just don’t pick girls you have no chance of getting. Otherwise you’ll just end up more depressed than you are right now! :wink: Good luck!

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You’re 18 and about to go to college. Don’t get all caught up in relationships; aim for one night stands. You are a testosterone machine right now, and whether you know it or not, women are attracted to you just for having higher levels of testosterone. They’re young and naive and you’ll find are easily manipulated. Once they get older they start looking for long term relationships. I’d avoid those right now. Join a fraternity; they get more play than the football players. You seriously need to have sex with 15 different girls by the end of your freshman year. I’m 24 and I wish i’d banged more girls

Once you get older and have hit the century mark in slaying women, you go to church and meet a nice girl. You can ignore my advice and do as Jedi said and do eHarmony, but you’ll realistically find some nerdy girl that’s ugly and is probably playing WoW with her other online bf. Shell be nice but really weird and you will find gives you ED.

Getting women isn’t that hard. Women are attracted to men. So be a man. Don’t be a whiny pussy or an emotional pillar. That’s the friend zone and they will never be attracted to you. Read Tucker Max and a book called “The Game”.

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[quote]jdinatale wrote:

[quote]pcdude wrote:

[quote]3djedi wrote:
why don’t you just go back to 100mg/ week. Your test was in the 800’s! Depression could be caused from a million different things. Do you have a girlfriend? Maybe with all that newfound testosterone you need a ‘release’![/quote]

X2. No doctor in his right mind should have allowed you to increase yout Test dosage when you were already in the high-normal range. With testosterone and TRT, the right amount is good, but more is not better. If you do this you will still need the Adex, just not as much. You will need to get retested in a periodic basis.[/quote]

The doctor told me that there is nothing inherently wrong with Anabolic steroid level doses of testosterone. He told me that millions of athletes use high doses of Testosterone, and they don’t drop over dead.

So when I asked if I could get to the high range, he goes “Sure, would you like to get to the high range?”

He did a little math on the paper, and decided to give me 150mg per week. It was as easy as that.

Does the doctor have a point? Are there downsides to too high testosterone on TRT?[/quote]

This is just plain wrong. What the doctor did not tell you is that these athletes stay on the testosterone cycles a MAXIMUM of 12 weeks typically, at which point they stop altogether and go on a post-cycle therapy to try to return their bodies to a normal state. The reasons for this are twofold: First is that the sides of AAS levels of test can become worse over time. These include gyno (this is where you grow tits like a girl), acute acne outbreaks, mood swings, loss of hair, and others. Secondly, it is hard on the body to stay at these levels for too long. Now it is true that bodybuilders and other athletes use levels that are even higher than the doctor advised, there is still cause for concern here.

The biggest risk of staying at higher than normal levels for too long is that there are absolutely no long-term studies to assess the effects of ultra-high levels of testosterone on men over a lifetime. What we do know is the effects of low testosterone on men over time, and the health risks associated with that. That is why the goal of TRT should be to restore levels to the normal range, not a super-human level. Are you willing to be a science project?

What your doctor SHOULD have done was to run complete thyroid and hormone tests on you to find out the root cause of your low test. For a 40 year old man, it is usually not an issue - test levels normally decrease in men over time, but for an 18 year old guy, there is typically a secondary cause for the condition, and finding and treating the cause is a whole lot better than subjecting a young guy like you to a lifetime of sticking himself in the ass and all the other issues that go along with it. Too many doctors are just too quick to treat the symptoms, and not treat the cause. At this point, unfortunately, you have been on the test for so long, your body has already shut down your LH production and assessing anything would be difficult.

Run, don’t walk from this doctor. Find another one who cares enough to put you on a treatment plan that is right for you.

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[quote]pcdude wrote:

[quote]jdinatale wrote:

[quote]pcdude wrote:

[quote]3djedi wrote:
why don’t you just go back to 100mg/ week. Your test was in the 800’s! Depression could be caused from a million different things. Do you have a girlfriend? Maybe with all that newfound testosterone you need a ‘release’![/quote]

X2. No doctor in his right mind should have allowed you to increase yout Test dosage when you were already in the high-normal range. With testosterone and TRT, the right amount is good, but more is not better. If you do this you will still need the Adex, just not as much. You will need to get retested in a periodic basis.[/quote]

The doctor told me that there is nothing inherently wrong with Anabolic steroid level doses of testosterone. He told me that millions of athletes use high doses of Testosterone, and they don’t drop over dead.

So when I asked if I could get to the high range, he goes “Sure, would you like to get to the high range?”

He did a little math on the paper, and decided to give me 150mg per week. It was as easy as that.

Does the doctor have a point? Are there downsides to too high testosterone on TRT?[/quote]

This is just plain wrong. What the doctor did not tell you is that these athletes stay on the testosterone cycles a MAXIMUM of 12 weeks typically, at which point they stop altogether and go on a post-cycle therapy to try to return their bodies to a normal state. The reasons for this are twofold: First is that the sides of AAS levels of test can become worse over time. These include gyno (this is where you grow tits like a girl), acute acne outbreaks, mood swings, loss of hair, and others. Secondly, it is hard on the body to stay at these levels for too long. Now it is true that bodybuilders and other athletes use levels that are even higher than the doctor advised, there is still cause for concern here.

The biggest risk of staying at higher than normal levels for too long is that there are absolutely no long-term studies to assess the effects of ultra-high levels of testosterone on men over a lifetime. What we do know is the effects of low testosterone on men over time, and the health risks associated with that. That is why the goal of TRT should be to restore levels to the normal range, not a super-human level. Are you willing to be a science project?

What your doctor SHOULD have done was to run complete thyroid and hormone tests on you to find out the root cause of your low test. For a 40 year old man, it is usually not an issue - test levels normally decrease in men over time, but for an 18 year old guy, there is typically a secondary cause for the condition, and finding and treating the cause is a whole lot better than subjecting a young guy like you to a lifetime of sticking himself in the ass and all the other issues that go along with it. Too many doctors are just too quick to treat the symptoms, and not treat the cause. At this point, unfortunately, you have been on the test for so long, your body has already shut down your LH production and assessing anything would be difficult.

Run, don’t walk from this doctor. Find another one who cares enough to put you on a treatment plan that is right for you.[/quote]

That is kinda scary. Do you think 150mg per week puts me at risk for having health issues associated with high Testosterone?

I just want to be healthy and happy. What would you recommend doing?

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Chris Benoit committed suicide.

Yokozuna was 500 lbs and died of a heart attack.

I just know these two off the top of my head, and didn’t care to look up the others. Please don’t start replaying popular media propaganda against steroids on this site.

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[quote]jdinatale wrote:

That is kinda scary. Do you think 150mg per week puts me at risk for having health issues associated with high Testosterone?

I just want to be healthy and happy. What would you recommend doing?[/quote]

I can’t tell you how much risk, if any this puts you at. The question is, are you willing to chance it? Where you were at the 100 mg/wk dosage was a safe level. Ehough to keep you healthy and happy.