[quote]lixy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
The insurgents aren’t freedom fighters. They aren’t fighting for the freedom of the opposite sect, women, relgious minorities, etc. Nor for a non-sectarian Democracy.
Unlike Reagan’s “freedom fighters”?
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or the Communist freedom fighters in Southeast Asia or parts of Africa and South America. Yep, those guys were real saints weren’t they?
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
lixy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
The insurgents aren’t freedom fighters. They aren’t fighting for the freedom of the opposite sect, women, relgious minorities, etc. Nor for a non-sectarian Democracy.
Unlike Reagan’s “freedom fighters”?
or the Communist freedom fighters in Southeast Asia or parts of Africa and South America. Yep, those guys were real saints weren’t they?[/quote]
Well, that’s just the point, though, isn’t it.
The “freedom” that some folks fight for isn’t necessarily the same kind of freedom that we would fight for.
The insurgents are “freedom fighters” in that they’re fighting to be free of us.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
The insurgents are “freedom fighters” in that they’re fighting to be free of us.[/quote]
But, which group does only that? Which militia, cell, whatever, isn’t fighting to advance their version of an Islamic theocracy with their local cleric as head honcho?
Why aren’t those Iraqi soldiers and police who remain loyal to upholding the laws of an elected government the “freedom fighters?” Why are the market bombing, women killing, human shield using, and sectarian cleansing thugs getting the title?
As is the case with a large portion of the non-Western world, these people are incapable of ruling themselves in the modern world. They lack the infrastructure, cash flow, organization and education to advance their situation at the local and national level.
Watching the world’s conflicts play out in their sand box creates a deep seeded feeling of desperation and frustration for these people, as they are literally incapable of stopping it. That’s why they turn to horrible acts of violence towards each other.
U.S. forces attack an insurgent encampment; the insurgents blow up an informants child’s bedroom. It’s all they know.
The regrettable fact is that these people need Western rule forced on them, they need to be conquered in every sense of the word. They have, as has been stated, never been free to choose their government. They have never experience anything but tyranny. They will always CHOOSE tyranny. It’s the only logical path.
Whether people want to admit it or not, they are acting under the guise of a religious right. It’s parallel to Mormonism, Heaven’s Gate and the Manson murders. They break laws claiming to be acting within their faith and we do not allow it here, and in what is now effectively a U.S. controlled territory we should pursue it with unprecedented fervor.
Give these people a taste of a reasonably free and tolerably sane society and they will not turn back. Put up a Wal-Mart, some Costco’s and bowling alley. Send them a Rita’s franchise. Give them a reason to not be miserable and before you know it they’ll want to be the 51st State.
“we are like a tiny bird in a cage. Its father and mother were born the cage, and so were its ancestors - for the past 1400 years. Along came America and broke the cage open, but the bird does not now how to fly because it has never used its wings”
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
The insurgents are “freedom fighters” in that they’re fighting to be free of us.
But, which group does only that? Which militia, cell, whatever, isn’t fighting to advance their version of an Islamic theocracy with their local cleric as head honcho?
Why aren’t those Iraqi soldiers and police who remain loyal to upholding the laws of an elected government the “freedom fighters?” Why are the market bombing, women killing, human shield using, and sectarian cleansing thugs getting the title?
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Why don´t we call them freedom fighters?
That would just show how arbitrary that title really is.
However, you killed the guy that was willing to fight for a united Iraq.
That ship has probably sailed.
[quote]Jeffe wrote:
As is the case with a large portion of the non-Western world, these people are incapable of ruling themselves in the modern world. They lack the infrastructure, cash flow, organization and education to advance their situation at the local and national level.
Watching the world’s conflicts play out in their sand box creates a deep seeded feeling of desperation and frustration for these people, as they are literally incapable of stopping it. That’s why they turn to horrible acts of violence towards each other.
U.S. forces attack an insurgent encampment; the insurgents blow up an informants child’s bedroom. It’s all they know.
The regrettable fact is that these people need Western rule forced on them, they need to be conquered in every sense of the word. They have, as has been stated, never been free to choose their government. They have never experience anything but tyranny. They will always CHOOSE tyranny. It’s the only logical path.
Whether people want to admit it or not, they are acting under the guise of a religious right. It’s parallel to Mormonism, Heaven’s Gate and the Manson murders. They break laws claiming to be acting within their faith and we do not allow it here, and in what is now effectively a U.S. controlled territory we should pursue it with unprecedented fervor.
Give these people a taste of a reasonably free and tolerably sane society and they will not turn back. Put up a Wal-Mart, some Costco’s and bowling alley. Send them a Rita’s franchise. Give them a reason to not be miserable and before you know it they’ll want to be the 51st State. [/quote]
Take up the White Man’s burden?
Send forth the best ye breed?
Go bind your sons to exile
To serve your captives’ need;
To wait in heavy harness,
On fluttered folk and wild?
Your new-caught, sullen peoples,
Half-devil and half-child.
Ah, that bullshit simply never stops.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
“It was the moral duty of America…”
Oh my. Now I’m so confused about how to make these people happy![/quote]
Wait… why don´t they shout at each other and compare their opponent to Hitler?
They obviously have no idea of how civilized people discuss things.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:
They obviously have no idea of how civilized people discuss things.
Obviously.
You can tell by the fact that one of them is making pro-US remarks.[/quote]
Na, one in four is the official quota our steering committee has established.
[quote]Jeffe wrote:
As is the case with a large portion of the non-Western world, these people are incapable of ruling themselves in the modern world. They lack the infrastructure, cash flow, organization and education to advance their situation at the local and national level.
Watching the world’s conflicts play out in their sand box creates a deep seeded feeling of desperation and frustration for these people, as they are literally incapable of stopping it. That’s why they turn to horrible acts of violence towards each other.
U.S. forces attack an insurgent encampment; the insurgents blow up an informants child’s bedroom. It’s all they know.
The regrettable fact is that these people need Western rule forced on them, they need to be conquered in every sense of the word. They have, as has been stated, never been free to choose their government. They have never experience anything but tyranny. They will always CHOOSE tyranny. It’s the only logical path.
Whether people want to admit it or not, they are acting under the guise of a religious right. It’s parallel to Mormonism, Heaven’s Gate and the Manson murders. They break laws claiming to be acting within their faith and we do not allow it here, and in what is now effectively a U.S. controlled territory we should pursue it with unprecedented fervor.
Give these people a taste of a reasonably free and tolerably sane society and they will not turn back. Put up a Wal-Mart, some Costco’s and bowling alley. Send them a Rita’s franchise. Give them a reason to not be miserable and before you know it they’ll want to be the 51st State. [/quote]
Staggeringly ignorant.