[quote]ssn0 wrote:
http://www.unm.edu/~humanism/socvsjes.htm[/quote]
Whomever wrote this debate does not understand Christianity.
"18For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.” 20Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar?
Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.
22Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25For the foolishness of God is wiser than man’s wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man’s strength." 1 Corinthians 1
[quote]Lorisco wrote:
ssn0 wrote:
http://www.unm.edu/~humanism/socvsjes.htm
Whomever wrote this debate does not understand Christianity.
"18For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.” 20Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar?
Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.
22Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25For the foolishness of God is wiser than man’s wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man’s strength." 1 Corinthians 1 [/quote]
Seems like whoever wrote that debate understood exactly…
Sounds exactly like the answers a non-christian would give, if playing the role of Christ…canned.
[quote]orion wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
ssn0 wrote:
http://www.unm.edu/~humanism/socvsjes.htm
Whomever wrote this debate does not understand Christianity.
"18For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.” 20Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar?
Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.
22Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25For the foolishness of God is wiser than man’s wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man’s strength." 1 Corinthians 1
Seems like whoever wrote that debate understood exactly…[/quote]
Whoever put that together didn’t do their homework…
[quote]orion wrote:
Seems like whoever wrote that debate understood exactly…[/quote]
No. Whoever wrote that debate had a slight grasp of Socratic irony, and what looks to be no theological background. If he or she had bothered to read Augustine, or even to take the Christian faith seriously, it might have been an interesting read.
“For additional, printed and bound copies mailed in the U.S., please send $2.00 US to this address. For additional copies mailed outside the U.S., please send $3.00 US.”
This can’t be serious? Why would anyone one want their own copy?–why would anyone be willing to spend money for their own copy? I mean, aside from the author’s poor understanding of the topic, this “debate” isn’t particularly well written. I don’t get it…
Jesus was actually, according to historical references and the bible at least, very different then most of todays prominent Christian leaders. He was the epitome of acceptance and forgiveness, and actually had a similar philosoph when it cam to secular maters to that of Socrates. Plus, he never would have gotten so angry or frustrated with Socrates. As Socrates would not have teased Jesus so.
They both believed in living in the moment, and not letting the little things get to you. Being bigger than yourself. Jesus called it being spiritual, Socrates called it living for the day.
They’re much more similar than this person realizes.
However, if you replace Jesus with a more modern day Christian leader, this is just about right.
Adn comparing the religions of Christianity with that of the ancient Greeks is not only tedious, but pointless as well.
The cultures are incredibly different. So different, it’s utterly retarded to try and make one seem better or more logically sound than the other. All religion is based on faith, so it is impossbile to argue one over another in Socratic argument.
[quote]nephorm wrote:
orion wrote:
Seems like whoever wrote that debate understood exactly…
No. Whoever wrote that debate had a slight grasp of Socratic irony, and what looks to be no theological background. If he or she had bothered to read Augustine, or even to take the Christian faith seriously, it might have been an interesting read.[/quote]
I was responding more to Loriscos post than anything else…
[quote]orion wrote:
nephorm wrote:
orion wrote:
Seems like whoever wrote that debate understood exactly…
No. Whoever wrote that debate had a slight grasp of Socratic irony, and what looks to be no theological background. If he or she had bothered to read Augustine, or even to take the Christian faith seriously, it might have been an interesting read.
I was responding more to Loriscos post than anything else…
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My point was the same as nephorm, I just added a quote from the Bible about Greek philosophy.
I actually thought it would be interesting initially, but it turned out to be an uneducated jab at Christianity.
I would think they would probably get along just fine…
Socrates: So, you are the son of God?
Jesus: I am the way, the light the truth, etc.
Socrates: I have to admit to being a little skeptical.
Jesus: About what?
Socrates: Well anyone can claim to be the son of God; but it’s prudent to assume that the person is deluded, not divine.
Jesus: I can demonstrate.
Socrates: Really? Wonderful.
Jesus: Look at this bottle.
Socrates: The one that says “Wine?”
Jesus: It’s filled with water.
Socrates: Why does it say “Wine” then?
Jesus: It had wine, but I drank it and filled it with water.
Socrates: Okay…
Jesus: Let me concentrate… here, now taste it.
Socrates: It’s wine.
Jesus: QED.
Socrates: But it already said wine.
Jesus: Well it wasn’t wine. I told you I drank the wine and filled it up with water. Now it’s wine again. A miracle.
Socrates: Turn it back to water.
Jesus: What!? Why?
Socrates: Well then I can taste it to make sure it’s water and then you turn it to wine again.
Jesus: And waste this perfectly good wine? No way.
Socrates: I’m still unconvinced.
Jesus: How’bout I multiply this loaf of bread?
Socrates: That might be more convincing.
Jesus: Ok, watch.
Socrates: You tore the loaf in two.
Jesus: How many pieces do you see?
Socrates: Two halves of one loaf.
Jesus: Are we going to split hairs over trivial details? How many PIECES do you see.
Socrates: Two.
Jesus: Ok, wait. And now? How many pieces?
Socrates: Four… sigh.
Jesus: You’re a tough one.
Socrates: You’re showing me bottles of wine and tearing up bread.
Jesus: I’ll walk on water.
Socrates: Ok, that’d be good.
Jesus: Here I go.
Socrates: You spilled water on the ground and you’re splasing around in the puddle.
Jesus: Is the ground wet?
Socrates: Well of course it is.
Jesus: Are my sandals over the wet ground?
Socrates: Well, yes.
Jesus: Since there is water between the ground and my sandals, am I not walking on water?
Socrates: Well, technically, yes, but…
Jesus: Ah! Behold the power of the Lord!
Socrates: Those aren’t even good parlor tricks.
Jesus: And still you persist? What if I curse a fig tree so that it never produces figs again?
Socrates: Figs aren’t in season.
Jesus: No problem, the curse will last for all seasons.
Socrates: It will take a while to confirm.
Jesus: We’ll ask the narrator to fast forward time a bit.
Socrates: To what?
Jesus: To make the seasons fly by.
Socrates: Ok. I’ve already wasted half an hour. Might as well see it through the end.
Jesus: Ok, let me concentrate. . There.
Socrates: There? Where there?
Jesus: There in the corner.
Socrates: That’s a broom.
Jesus: The handle is made from the wood of a fig tree.
Socrates: Ok, but it’s not producing figs.
Jesus: Told you.
Socrates: I mean, it’s been dead for a while, it wasn’t producing figs before you cursed it.
Jesus: Of course not, it’s not fig season.
Socrates: IT’S A BROOM!
Jesus: And it’ll never produce figs again. Now do you believe?
Socrates: I believe I could use a drink.
Jesus: Be careful what you drink.
Socrates: Why?
Jesus: Never mind. You’ll get it later.
[quote]pookie wrote:
Socrates: So, you are the son of God?
Jesus: I am the way, the light the truth, etc…
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That is one of the funniest goddamn things I’ve ever read. Thanks Pookie.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
pookie wrote:
Socrates: So, you are the son of God?
Jesus: I am the way, the light the truth, etc…
That is one of the funniest goddamn things I’ve ever read. Thanks Pookie.[/quote]
I agree!
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
pookie wrote:
Socrates: So, you are the son of God?
Jesus: I am the way, the light the truth, etc…
That is one of the funniest goddamn things I’ve ever read. Thanks Pookie.
I agree![/quote]
Not something Jesus would do (I don’t believe the whole mirical, “I am the son of God” bullshit,. I think he was a plain old Jewish philosopher with contrevertial views).
But still… histerical!!!
[quote]Beowolf wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
pookie wrote:
Socrates: So, you are the son of God?
Jesus: I am the way, the light the truth, etc…
That is one of the funniest goddamn things I’ve ever read. Thanks Pookie.
I agree!
Not something Jesus would do (I don’t believe the whole mirical, “I am the son of God” bullshit,. I think he was a plain old Jewish philosopher with contrevertial views).
But still… histerical!!![/quote]
Very funny, what’s it from Pookie?
[quote]Ren wrote:
Very funny, what’s it from Pookie?[/quote]
My head.