Socialized Medicine

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]RUHLFAN wrote:
phil_leotardo wrote:
When I was in my 20’s I had some lousy health insurance. Instead of waiting for a handout from Uncle Sam, I decided to go to school, bust my ass studying and get a science degree. As a result, now I have health insurance. What a concept! Instead of sitting on my ass and waiting for Uncle Sam to give me something I obtained it myself through hard work!

Whatever happened to this concept of working hard to get things in this country instead of everyone wanting something for free?

Why has socialized or nationalized medicine now been given the cozy term “health care reform?”

In fact, everything is “reform” under Obama! Amnesty for ILLEGAL immigrants has now become “immigration REFORM.”

The way that this administration is trying to rush through this socialized medicine is a joke!
CNN claims that illegals will not be covered, but Obama wants to make the illegal immigrants legal, ergo they WILL be getting covered if Obama gets his way!

But back to the point… why is it that people now whine and cry about things like not having health insurance instead of working to improve themselves? Why if you are either 1) Too lazy or 2) Too stupid to get a decent job should I have to pay for your health care?

FINALLY!!! there ARE still people out there with a decent brain in their head!!! ok-maybe there IS hope…
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What about rising health care costs, what about an industry ruled by Insurance, Pharmaceutical, and Wall Street attorneys , How is doing nothing going to fix anything? Or do you think all is well ?

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The Mage wrote:
pittbulll wrote:

I think you have confused yourself, if you add up Bill gates stock and his real estate and all other assets he is worth a Billion dollars His worth depends on all the present markets , Money is just the medium, Not rubles, not stocks , not anything else. Now if you go to Afghanistan you can barter in goats. but we live in America… Hope that helps Mage.

Ah, you are trolling.

No, you are the one arguing semantics[/quote]

Not really, there is money and there is value and you mistake one for the other.

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[quote]orion wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
The Mage wrote:
pittbulll wrote:

I think you have confused yourself, if you add up Bill gates stock and his real estate and all other assets he is worth a Billion dollars His worth depends on all the present markets , Money is just the medium, Not rubles, not stocks , not anything else. Now if you go to Afghanistan you can barter in goats. but we live in America… Hope that helps Mage.

Ah, you are trolling.

No, you are the one arguing semantics

Not really, there is money and there is value and you mistake one for the other.
[/quote]

You and I are discussing value, Mage was discussing stocks, and I was discussing money. All have value, when we speak of net worth; we describe it in terms of money, because it is how we gage worth in America. If you go to Afghanistan, your worth or (value) may be described in terms of livestock

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
orion wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
The Mage wrote:
pittbulll wrote:

I think you have confused yourself, if you add up Bill gates stock and his real estate and all other assets he is worth a Billion dollars His worth depends on all the present markets , Money is just the medium, Not rubles, not stocks , not anything else. Now if you go to Afghanistan you can barter in goats. but we live in America… Hope that helps Mage.

Ah, you are trolling.

No, you are the one arguing semantics

Not really, there is money and there is value and you mistake one for the other.

You and I are discussing value, Mage was discussing stocks, and I was discussing money. All have value, when we speak of net worth; we describe it in terms of money, because it is how we gage worth in America. If you go to Afghanistan, your worth or (value) may be described in terms of livestock[/quote]

It does not work that way. There are things that are very valuable to someone but have no price.

There are others that might have a high price and yet are still not for sale.

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[quote]orion wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
orion wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
The Mage wrote:
pittbulll wrote:

I think you have confused yourself, if you add up Bill gates stock and his real estate and all other assets he is worth a Billion dollars His worth depends on all the present markets , Money is just the medium, Not rubles, not stocks , not anything else. Now if you go to Afghanistan you can barter in goats. but we live in America… Hope that helps Mage.

Ah, you are trolling.

No, you are the one arguing semantics

Not really, there is money and there is value and you mistake one for the other.

You and I are discussing value, Mage was discussing stocks, and I was discussing money. All have value, when we speak of net worth; we describe it in terms of money, because it is how we gage worth in America. If you go to Afghanistan, your worth or (value) may be described in terms of livestock

It does not work that way. There are things that are very valuable to someone but have no price.

There are others that might have a high price and yet are still not for sale.

[/quote]

But in America, if we are to tally some oneâ??s worth, it is done in the increments of Dollars .

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

You and I are discussing value, Mage was discussing stocks, and I was discussing money. All have value, when we speak of net worth; we describe it in terms of money, because it is how we gage worth in America. If you go to Afghanistan, your worth or (value) may be described in terms of livestock[/quote]

Which shows exactly how dense you are. Everything I said went over your head, and you didn’t even notice what was actually said.

You were discussing a limited supply of money, mistakenly thinking that the poor does not have access to the money because the rich person has it. But when it is pointed out that somebody such as Bill Gates doesn’t actually have his net worth in cash, instead you fail to understand that not only does this free up that cash to flow to anybody, but that this is a different form of wealth that was created, practically from nothing.

Instead you actually think I am discussing semantics.

You looked better as a troll.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
orion wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
orion wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
The Mage wrote:
pittbulll wrote:

I think you have confused yourself, if you add up Bill gates stock and his real estate and all other assets he is worth a Billion dollars His worth depends on all the present markets , Money is just the medium, Not rubles, not stocks , not anything else. Now if you go to Afghanistan you can barter in goats. but we live in America… Hope that helps Mage.

Ah, you are trolling.

No, you are the one arguing semantics

Not really, there is money and there is value and you mistake one for the other.

You and I are discussing value, Mage was discussing stocks, and I was discussing money. All have value, when we speak of net worth; we describe it in terms of money, because it is how we gage worth in America. If you go to Afghanistan, your worth or (value) may be described in terms of livestock

It does not work that way. There are things that are very valuable to someone but have no price.

There are others that might have a high price and yet are still not for sale.

But in America, if we are to tally some oneâ??s worth, it is done in the increments of Dollars . [/quote]

Really? For how much money would you kill your mother, father, sister?

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[quote]orion wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
orion wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
orion wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
The Mage wrote:
pittbulll wrote:

I think you have confused yourself, if you add up Bill gates stock and his real estate and all other assets he is worth a Billion dollars His worth depends on all the present markets , Money is just the medium, Not rubles, not stocks , not anything else. Now if you go to Afghanistan you can barter in goats. but we live in America… Hope that helps Mage.

Ah, you are trolling.

No, you are the one arguing semantics

Not really, there is money and there is value and you mistake one for the other.

You and I are discussing value, Mage was discussing stocks, and I was discussing money. All have value, when we speak of net worth; we describe it in terms of money, because it is how we gage worth in America. If you go to Afghanistan, your worth or (value) may be described in terms of livestock

It does not work that way. There are things that are very valuable to someone but have no price.

There are others that might have a high price and yet are still not for sale.

But in America, if we are to tally some one�¢??s worth, it is done in the increments of Dollars .

Really? For how much money would you kill your mother, father, sister?

[/quote]

Kiling my Mother Fatheror sister has no value to me . I may pay to keep them alive or bring them back from the dead

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[quote]The Mage wrote:
pittbulll wrote:

You and I are discussing value, Mage was discussing stocks, and I was discussing money. All have value, when we speak of net worth; we describe it in terms of money, because it is how we gage worth in America. If you go to Afghanistan, your worth or (value) may be described in terms of livestock

Which shows exactly how dense you are. Everything I said went over your head, and you didn’t even notice what was actually said.

You were discussing a limited supply of money, mistakenly thinking that the poor does not have access to the money because the rich person has it. But when it is pointed out that somebody such as Bill Gates doesn’t actually have his net worth in cash, instead you fail to understand that not only does this free up that cash to flow to anybody, but that this is a different form of wealth that was created, practically from nothing.

Instead you actually think I am discussing semantics.

You looked better as a troll.[/quote]

I totally get it that bill Gates does not have the majority of assets in cash, I do not get why you are beating this dead horse

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The Mage wrote:
pittbulll wrote:

You and I are discussing value, Mage was discussing stocks, and I was discussing money. All have value, when we speak of net worth; we describe it in terms of money, because it is how we gage worth in America. If you go to Afghanistan, your worth or (value) may be described in terms of livestock

Which shows exactly how dense you are. Everything I said went over your head, and you didn’t even notice what was actually said.

You were discussing a limited supply of money, mistakenly thinking that the poor does not have access to the money because the rich person has it. But when it is pointed out that somebody such as Bill Gates doesn’t actually have his net worth in cash, instead you fail to understand that not only does this free up that cash to flow to anybody, but that this is a different form of wealth that was created, practically from nothing.

Instead you actually think I am discussing semantics.

You looked better as a troll.

I totally get it that bill Gates does not have the majority of assets in cash, I do not get why you are beating this dead horse[/quote]

Because you do not even get that when lots of dollars leave the US the remaining are worth more.

I will not even go into that you were in fact exporting inflation and that the last thing you could really want is getting all this dollars back.

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[quote]orion wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
The Mage wrote:
pittbulll wrote:

You and I are discussing value, Mage was discussing stocks, and I was discussing money. All have value, when we speak of net worth; we describe it in terms of money, because it is how we gage worth in America. If you go to Afghanistan, your worth or (value) may be described in terms of livestock

Which shows exactly how dense you are. Everything I said went over your head, and you didn’t even notice what was actually said.

You were discussing a limited supply of money, mistakenly thinking that the poor does not have access to the money because the rich person has it. But when it is pointed out that somebody such as Bill Gates doesn’t actually have his net worth in cash, instead you fail to understand that not only does this free up that cash to flow to anybody, but that this is a different form of wealth that was created, practically from nothing.

Instead you actually think I am discussing semantics.

You looked better as a troll.

I totally get it that bill Gates does not have the majority of assets in cash, I do not get why you are beating this dead horse

Because you do not even get that when lots of dollars leave the US the remaining are worth more.

I will not even go into that you were in fact exporting inflation and that the last thing you could really want is getting all this dollars back.

[/quote]

What makes you think I do not understand that? I will tell you the truth no dollars are leaving America and they are creating more dollars out of thin air. I do not get you or Mage; you both think you are explaining some really complicated shit. The most complex thing you have said is whether I was Mercantilist or Bullionist. And I did have to look it up. You both are arguing about, I do not know.I understand everything you both are saying.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
orion wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
The Mage wrote:
pittbulll wrote:

You and I are discussing value, Mage was discussing stocks, and I was discussing money. All have value, when we speak of net worth; we describe it in terms of money, because it is how we gage worth in America. If you go to Afghanistan, your worth or (value) may be described in terms of livestock

Which shows exactly how dense you are. Everything I said went over your head, and you didn’t even notice what was actually said.

You were discussing a limited supply of money, mistakenly thinking that the poor does not have access to the money because the rich person has it. But when it is pointed out that somebody such as Bill Gates doesn’t actually have his net worth in cash, instead you fail to understand that not only does this free up that cash to flow to anybody, but that this is a different form of wealth that was created, practically from nothing.

Instead you actually think I am discussing semantics.

You looked better as a troll.

I totally get it that bill Gates does not have the majority of assets in cash, I do not get why you are beating this dead horse

Because you do not even get that when lots of dollars leave the US the remaining are worth more.

I will not even go into that you were in fact exporting inflation and that the last thing you could really want is getting all this dollars back.

What makes you think I do not understand that? I will tell you the truth no dollars are leaving America and they are creating more dollars out of thin air. I do not get you or Mage; you both think you are explaining some really complicated shit. The most complex thing you have said is whether I was Mercantilist or Bullionist. And I did have to look it up. You both are arguing about, I do not know.I understand everything you both are saying.

[/quote]

No you dont or else you would not be worried about dollars leaving America if you get goods for it.

You are like the bullionists who thought that the wealth of a country was in its precious metals and that they would have to restrict trade in order to keep in the country.

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[quote]orion wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
orion wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
The Mage wrote:
pittbulll wrote:

You and I are discussing value, Mage was discussing stocks, and I was discussing money. All have value, when we speak of net worth; we describe it in terms of money, because it is how we gage worth in America. If you go to Afghanistan, your worth or (value) may be described in terms of livestock

Which shows exactly how dense you are. Everything I said went over your head, and you didn’t even notice what was actually said.

You were discussing a limited supply of money, mistakenly thinking that the poor does not have access to the money because the rich person has it. But when it is pointed out that somebody such as Bill Gates doesn’t actually have his net worth in cash, instead you fail to understand that not only does this free up that cash to flow to anybody, but that this is a different form of wealth that was created, practically from nothing.

Instead you actually think I am discussing semantics.

You looked better as a troll.

I totally get it that bill Gates does not have the majority of assets in cash, I do not get why you are beating this dead horse

Because you do not even get that when lots of dollars leave the US the remaining are worth more.

I will not even go into that you were in fact exporting inflation and that the last thing you could really want is getting all this dollars back.

What makes you think I do not understand that? I will tell you the truth no dollars are leaving America and they are creating more dollars out of thin air. I do not get you or Mage; you both think you are explaining some really complicated shit. The most complex thing you have said is whether I was Mercantilist or Bullionist. And I did have to look it up. You both are arguing about, I do not know.I understand everything you both are saying.

No you dont or else you would not be worried about dollars leaving America if you get goods for it.

You are like the bullionists who thought that the wealth of a country was in its precious metals and that they would have to restrict trade in order to keep in the country.

[/quote]

I believe if you do not think those dollars have worth then you do not understand something