[quote]Makavali wrote:
triple-10sets wrote:
RebornTN wrote:
We want the best genetic line going. You have to prove your worthy to mix genetics. If society let their daughters have low standards, our lineage would be fucked.
Isn’t that the basis for natural selection?
What makes us care about are lineage ?
Bad genetics lead to dead ends. We don’t want our genes weeded out of existence.[/quote]
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[quote]RebornTN wrote:
triple-10sets wrote:
RebornTN wrote:
We want the best genetic line going. You have to prove your worthy to mix genetics. If society let their daughters have low standards, our lineage would be fucked.
Isn’t that the basis for natural selection?
What makes us care about are lineage ?
You want your family to be the strongest it possibly can. If your sons are weak, they will not be the best. If they are not the best, then they can be killed off by either physical means or due to not being intelligent enough to thrive in whatever society they are in.
Simply; I care about my lineage because it is all that will be remembered of me when I die. If my blood lives on, I have left my mark on the world. If my line dies, I will be lost to the ages.[/quote]
What causes us to want to leave are marks on the world.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
When individuals thrive, so too does the species. [/quote]
But the motivation for it is not “oh this’ll be good for my species.” Again I go back to the example of a wolf pack eating a kill. They dont share it out equally in the hopes that by maintaining a large pack they can cover a greater area and engage in more complex tracking and hunting methods.
And they dont think, hmmm, the best way to weed out the weak from our species is to force everyone to fend for themselves in getting their share of the kill.
They think “im hungry. i want as much as I can possibly get in my stomach.” That’s it. That’s the sole level of motivation.
[quote]triple-10sets wrote:
What causes us to want to leave are marks on the world.[/quote]
Pride, because I was the best there ever was. And I want all of you to fucking know it?
Is pride learned, or inherited through genetics?
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
My answer to the OP, as you’ve phrased his question above, is that people do share their daughters. Historically, they do so for a price. Even now, what dad wouldn’t hand his princess over to a wealthy man?
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I agree with most of what you’ve said, however, I will dissent on this point. I would not hand over either of my daughters to a rich asshole. If they find mates who are well-mannered, upstanding people, that’s more of what I’m after for my daughters (and my son for that matter).
I want them to be happy above and beyond anything else. I’m not sure I even want them to find someone who comes from money, because I firmly believe that some financial struggle in the early going is a good thing for a couple. If you can be poor and happy together, you can get through most challenges life will present. In my experience, people coming from money usually don’t know what it’s like to be truly tested.
DB
[quote]vroom wrote:
I’m sticking to my earlier answer.
When they start dating in high school, we know that the needle-dicked pimple-faced losers they are with have no life experience and have not proven themselves worthy in any meaningful way.
Instead, he’s proven himself in the artificial social construct of school, generally filled with shallow issues of little import during the lives we have afterwards.
However, we also know that love is a strong emotion and there’s a serious danger she’ll end up with sticking with the tard.
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Lots of tards are living kick-ass lives these days. My first wife is a tard. Now she’s a pilot.
DB
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Because we love them and would sacrifice anything for them.[/quote]
Amen to that brother.
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
What you’re referring to is called a cooperation problem - in other words, what happens when that which is good/beneficial for society as a whole is not good for the individual.
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Well to a certain extent you’re right. Dads are defensive of their daughters because on an instinctual level they want them to mate with a strong male that
Dads are less protective of sons because they don’t need to be supported through a pregnancy - it’s more evolutionarily advantageous for them to have sex with a variety of people. Not totally advantageous, since taking care of offspring comes into play, but clearly the reproductive strategies for some men have little to do with actually taking care of their children, which is very uncommon in women.
Also sons can take better care of themselves from a physical perspective, which was important in the past.
When a species evolves it has to strike a balance between reproducing quickly and reproducing well. All of us being choosy of our mates means that we tend to produce stronger offspring - if none of us cared then the people with bad genes would be just as likely to pass them on and as a species we would not advance.
However, if we are TOO choosy then we risk not reproducing enough at all, and then the gene pool gets too small or we die out.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
i thought that well theyre ours but social and instinctual sense would tell us they are crucial for spreading the populus of the species which seems like a conundrum if our main goal as a species is to procreate.
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Self interest.
It is fascinating that of all the animal kingdom humans are the only animal capable of treating the female offspring as property. A man’s daughter was seen merely as a means to his own family’s “financial” gain. His daughter did not add to the population of his family because she is “sold” into marriage for some other benefit to his family.
It is men who increase the family size, not the women. A woman becomes a member of another family because she is only married into it. This is not to say that family alliances do not emerge as a result of this behavior – in fact, that is the primary benefit of such a situation in preindustrial times.
A man who let his daughter go to the first suitor that comes around does not add to his own fortune but rather his entire investment in raising her is lost.
Fortunately, or unfortunately depending on ones world view, the emergence of capitalism stopped this trend because there became other means for a father to reap a financial benefit. Also, with the emergence of capitalism came the romantic notions of “marriage for love” that only a highly productive society would allow.
If in a post-feudal, post-aristocratic society women are no longer seen as property then why do fathers and mothers still care about their daughter’s (and son’s) relations? Well, not all of them do but I would still expect that many still care about the image of their family and that they will not have to forever take care of their daughter and her family. This goes for their sons’ too.
There is no benefit to any family to raise a child to only have to raise that child’s family due to their own bad decisions.
[quote]RebornTN wrote:
We want the best genetic line going. You have to prove your worthy to mix genetics. If society let their daughters have low standards, our lineage would be fucked.
Isn’t that the basis for natural selection?[/quote]
Next Question…
[quote]streamline wrote:
First, your daughter’s love for you is unconditional. It is the only true love you will ever experience (that of a child). The stronger the bond between father and daughter. The greater the knowledge she will have on male behavior.
I always thought it was the mother that prepared the daughter. Until I had a daughter. She knows everything there is to know about guys.
Been into MA for eleven years and loves it. Guys at her school are scared of her. That’s the result of good fathering.[/quote]
You sound like a cool and fun dad. But i disagree that you think unconditional love comes from a daughter only. I am so close to my sister, brothers, neice, mum and dad.
And not all guys are dogs, your one aren’t you?(a good person at that-from what i read of your posts).
This question reminds me of people talking about the stock market. People know that money has to go into the market so the flow doesn’t stop and cause market failure, but they don’t want it to be their money.
[quote]triple-10sets wrote:
Is pride learned, or inherited through genetics? [/quote]
One liners are getting old fast.
Pride is inherited in the sense that those who are lame physically/mentally are not proud of themselves. This is due to genetics.
Familial pride is observed over time, and hence learned…You see that you and your family (maybe?) are the best there is. In this way you learn pride.
[quote]streamline wrote:
First, your daughter’s love for you is unconditional. It is the only true love you will ever experience (that of a child). The stronger the bond between father and daughter. The greater the knowledge she will have on male behavior. [/quote]
What fathers instill in their daughters is paranoia about the other men,all those men that are not dad. Daughters will learn jack about male psychology from their fathers just like sons will get wrong ideas about female psychology from their well meaning mothers. Either women are equal,which means they can make decisions or they are not. The lengths to which some men will go to punish the men of their daughters for their daughters’ decision is worrying.
Sure she does.
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Been into MA for eleven years and loves it. Guys at her school are scared of her. That’s the result of good fathering. [/quote]
Guys are not going to want a feminist ballbuster that tries to have balls. That’s her tragedy.
Not trying to be confrontational here. Just presenting another hypothesis which probably applies now and then. Guys fearing girls is a perversion of nature just like having a crossdressing son who makes girls jealous with his beauty.
[quote]triple-10sets wrote:
mthomps wrote:
Think about what runs through your head when you see an attractive young female. I bet one of the first things you think about is sticking your penis inside of her vagina. I bet every other male on this forum also thinks this too, Including me.
Assuming you are following whats excepted in western society you get a job and find a woman to start a family with after you’ve taken your education**** as far as you want to go with it.
You and your wife have a daughter and by the time shes in highschool there is a whole new generation of kids out there that used to think like you. You know this because you thought the same way.
As a dad you now have to deal with a post-pubescent daughter who is aware of and curious about her sexuality and the fact that there are a ton of young guys out there willing to go to great lengths to try to get your daughter to let them stick there penises inside of your daughters vagina.
Sex is a very powerful thing. It was designed to feel very good so that we want to procreate and keep the population going. However there are alot of emotional issues that come with that feeling. Trust, safety, LOVE, concsent etc.
As a dad with a hot daughter your first primal response to all of this is to protect her. You created her and the last thing you want is her to be used by boys who only think with their dicks.
You know, wether you realize it or not, the costs of a sexual relationhip with someone and you’d rather not have your daughter learn all this through being used as sexual objects.
****(the pitiful excuse for formal education that we have)
I think you meant so say "kids out there who think like you used to… And nobody thinks with there dicks. Everyone thinks with their brains. [/quote]
You’re a bit of a douche aren’t you…
[quote]RebornTN wrote:
triple-10sets wrote:
Is pride learned, or inherited through genetics?
One liners are getting old fast.
Pride is inherited in the sense that those who are lame physically/mentally are not proud of themselves. This is due to genetics.
Familial pride is observed over time, and hence learned…You see that you and your family (maybe?) are the best there is. In this way you learn pride.[/quote]
So your saying someone with below average intelligence, or below average physical capability can never have pride in themselves as an individual ?
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
EmilyQ wrote:
RebornTN wrote:
We want the best genetic line going. You have to prove your worthy to mix genetics. If society let their daughters have low standards, our lineage would be fucked.
Isn’t that the basis for natural selection?
Then the medieval dad would want the biggest, hairiest, most aggressive mate possible for his daughter. Instead, he’s selling her as an infant to the gout-ridden old man whose property adjoins his. Why?
politics? greed?
we’re not talking about selling your daughter to an old guy who has money. that seems to be the opposite of what im saying actually because thats a display of how easy it is to get rid of a daughter whereas im talking about how hard it is to pass her off.
after reading what everyone has posted ive figured it to have something to do with just satisfying the own needs of the father as far as meeting characteristic criteria. what im saying is the father is just going to be looking for someone with certain values or attributes which are totally individualistic but for society theres a collective norm. mentally stable, good apperance, well behaved, similar interests, financially stable. and you probaly dont want him to come off as a douchebag either. i think what that all boils down to is the process of what Reborn and others have been saying.
Well, the thing about selling your daughter is that she needs to be unsullied (worth buying). And THAT is because the man who buys her wants to be assured that any children she bears are his (there’s your nature at work).
You can certainly believe whatever you like, based on anything or nothing at all. But finding a nice chap with “good apperance, well behaved, similar interests” is an historic novelty. That’s never before been the criteria that interests fathers and is frankly laughable looked at from the long view.[/quote]
im pretty sure selling an infant would assure shes “unsullied”. if anyone is selling off their daughters it isnt because of anything other than greed.
which is why you usually meet a girls family before you get seriously involved. they want to be assured you arent some scumbag.
but there is also evidence of cultures that still trade their daughters off for goats and ox. so i would have to say it boils down to what culture youre from.
[quote]tootles27 wrote:
This question reminds me of people talking about the stock market. People know that money has to go into the market so the flow doesn’t stop and cause market failure, but they don’t want it to be their money.[/quote]
lol
[quote]polo77j wrote:
triple-10sets wrote:
mthomps wrote:
Think about what runs through your head when you see an attractive young female. I bet one of the first things you think about is sticking your penis inside of her vagina. I bet every other male on this forum also thinks this too, Including me.
Assuming you are following whats excepted in western society you get a job and find a woman to start a family with after you’ve taken your education**** as far as you want to go with it.
You and your wife have a daughter and by the time shes in highschool there is a whole new generation of kids out there that used to think like you. You know this because you thought the same way.
As a dad you now have to deal with a post-pubescent daughter who is aware of and curious about her sexuality and the fact that there are a ton of young guys out there willing to go to great lengths to try to get your daughter to let them stick there penises inside of your daughters vagina.
Sex is a very powerful thing. It was designed to feel very good so that we want to procreate and keep the population going. However there are alot of emotional issues that come with that feeling. Trust, safety, LOVE, concsent etc.
As a dad with a hot daughter your first primal response to all of this is to protect her. You created her and the last thing you want is her to be used by boys who only think with their dicks.
You know, wether you realize it or not, the costs of a sexual relationhip with someone and you’d rather not have your daughter learn all this through being used as sexual objects.
****(the pitiful excuse for formal education that we have)
I think you meant so say "kids out there who think like you used to… And nobody thinks with there dicks. Everyone thinks with their brains.
You’re a bit of a douche aren’t you…[/quote]
I pay to take college english, and psych I might as well use them.