Social Ponzi Scheme Dying

apbt55 · January 29, 2011, 2:24pm

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Wait- so Congress voted numerous times to borrow against SS when it was making shitloads of money, but now that they’ve finally fucked it up so badly, it’s the program’s fault?

I think not.

It was ALL the politicians.

Cut military spending and plug the holes in one of the few worthwhile programs our government has. [/quote]

it is the programs fault because it gives the politicians control over the publics money and income.

that is why the government should not have these programs, so the gov’t can’t f’ them up.

Big_Banana · January 29, 2011, 3:26pm

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Wait- so Congress voted numerous times to borrow against SS when it was making shitloads of money, but now that they’ve finally fucked it up so badly, it’s the program’s fault?

I think not.

It was ALL the politicians.

Cut military spending and plug the holes in one of the few worthwhile programs our government has. [/quote]

it is the programs fault because it gives the politicians control over the publics money and income.

that is why the government should not have these programs, so the gov’t can’t f’ them up.[/quote]

Exactly. It is unrealistic to expect politicians to do other than they do. The Greeks knew this thousands of years ago.

Depower them. Defund them.

hungry4more · January 29, 2011, 5:42pm

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Wait- so Congress voted numerous times to borrow against SS when it was making shitloads of money, but now that they’ve finally fucked it up so badly, it’s the program’s fault?

I think not.

It was ALL the politicians.

Cut military spending and plug the holes in one of the few worthwhile programs our government has. [/quote]

it is the programs fault because it gives the politicians control over the publics money and income.

that is why the government should not have these programs, so the gov’t can’t f’ them up.[/quote]

Exactly. It is unrealistic to expect politicians to do other than they do. The Greeks knew this thousands of years ago.

Depower them. Defund them.[/quote]

Word. How is anybody surprised that [basically] a giant triangle scheme eventually tanked out? Even more so, how are they convinced it could somehow be “fixed”? I mean I guess if we got all of China to contribute it would stave off its collapse for a little while…lol.

cloakmanor · January 30, 2011, 1:16am

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Wait- so Congress voted numerous times to borrow against SS when it was making shitloads of money, but now that they’ve finally fucked it up so badly, it’s the program’s fault?

I think not.

It was ALL the politicians.

Cut military spending and plug the holes in one of the few worthwhile programs our government has. [/quote]

And you thought that politicians in a democracy would do what exactly?

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[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Wait- so Congress voted numerous times to borrow against SS when it was making shitloads of money, but now that they’ve finally fucked it up so badly, it’s the program’s fault?

I think not.

It was ALL the politicians.

Cut military spending and plug the holes in one of the few worthwhile programs our government has. [/quote]

it is the programs fault because it gives the politicians control over the publics money and income.

that is why the government should not have these programs, so the gov’t can’t f’ them up.[/quote]

I cannot understand why it is so difficult for some people to understand why ponzi schemes run by politicians who are spending someone else money eventually go bankrupt. What is so difficult to understand about this? Do some people think politicians are completely selfless (a laughable thought in itself) and only want to help people? Do some people think ponzi schemes can last to infinity?

THINK people. THINK!

Headhunter · January 30, 2011, 2:33am

The Great Collapse of the 21st century is really starting to roll.

Join the military or starve. At least enforcing martial law will get you a meal and a cot.

apbt55 · January 31, 2011, 12:21am

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
The Great Collapse of the 21st century is really starting to roll.

Join the military or starve. At least enforcing martial law will get you a meal and a cot.[/quote]

“the patriots; a novel about surviving the coming collapse”

Have a small organic farm, working on ballistic fortification and some other things.

Have very good base of skills sets in the people around.

And from my friends, there won’t be many that will enforce martial law, that would the straw to start more of an internal war.

ZEB · January 31, 2011, 1:29am

Yeah…and…and we can hide in a cave…and we can learn to make jelly from bull frogs. And we can live off the land by eating fish we catch in a stream…And…and well…we’ll just freakin survive when everyone else is wondering what hit em!

LMAO…no no seriously thank you.

MattyG35 · January 31, 2011, 3:49am

Enjoy ZEB

apbt55 · January 31, 2011, 2:01pm

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Yeah…and…and we can hide in a cave…and we can learn to make jelly from bull frogs. And we can live off the land by eating fish we catch in a stream…And…and well…we’ll just freakin survive when everyone else is wondering what hit em!

LMAO…no no seriously thank you.[/quote]

NO one is hiding in a cave, it is just common sense to be prepared for things that could happen. you are trying to tell me we would be immune from riots and chaos if things hit the fan. Or that planning ahead to be sustainable is stupid. If the things get better and everything is pulled out of the gutter the worst is I have a small farm, to sell organic meat and produce, don’t have much int he form of food bills any more.

you normally sound some what reasonable.

ZEB · January 31, 2011, 4:59pm

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Yeah…and…and we can hide in a cave…and we can learn to make jelly from bull frogs. And we can live off the land by eating fish we catch in a stream…And…and well…we’ll just freakin survive when everyone else is wondering what hit em!

LMAO…no no seriously thank you.[/quote]

NO one is hiding in a cave, it is just common sense to be prepared for things that could happen. you are trying to tell me we would be immune from riots and chaos if things hit the fan. Or that planning ahead to be sustainable is stupid. If the things get better and everything is pulled out of the gutter the worst is I have a small farm, to sell organic meat and produce, don’t have much int he form of food bills any more.

you normally sound some what reasonable. [/quote]

I normally sound more reasonable? Hmm…if you think that I’m reasonable and I think this is wacky then maybe you are the one that is not being reasonable.

There are many good reasons to start an organic farm. You believe in spreading the gospel of eating healthy. Or, you think that there is a good market for such food and it is a viable business. But, thinking that the world is coming to an end and marital law is going to be declared in the US is absolutely NUTTY.

How old are you? The young are more impressionable as they have not lived through the various economic cycles. This is the only way I can explain this type of attitude. Then there are those who have lived a good amount of years but are just crazy, this is not you. So fess up with the age.

apbt55 · January 31, 2011, 6:31pm

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Yeah…and…and we can hide in a cave…and we can learn to make jelly from bull frogs. And we can live off the land by eating fish we catch in a stream…And…and well…we’ll just freakin survive when everyone else is wondering what hit em!

LMAO…no no seriously thank you.[/quote]

NO one is hiding in a cave, it is just common sense to be prepared for things that could happen. you are trying to tell me we would be immune from riots and chaos if things hit the fan. Or that planning ahead to be sustainable is stupid. If the things get better and everything is pulled out of the gutter the worst is I have a small farm, to sell organic meat and produce, don’t have much int he form of food bills any more.

you normally sound some what reasonable. [/quote]

I normally sound more reasonable? Hmm…if you think that I’m reasonable and I think this is wacky then maybe you are the one that is not being reasonable.

There are many good reasons to start an organic farm. You believe in spreading the gospel of eating healthy. Or, you think that there is a good market for such food and it is a viable business. But, thinking that the world is coming to an end and marital law is going to be declared in the US is absolutely NUTTY.

How old are you? The young are more impressionable as they have not lived through the various economic cycles. This is the only way I can explain this type of attitude. Then there are those who have lived a good amount of years but are just crazy, this is not you. So fess up with the age.
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I am 31, I currently work in the vaccine industry as subject matter expert for quality control release testing and on new vaccine projects intended for market.

I started the farm because my father family used to have a farm, he went away to war and his father died while he was gone. After working in industry this long I would rather set something up to retire too with my family rather than work my whole life for someone else. I like agriculture and am very good with animals, like manipulating genetics through selective breeding (have done it with dogs since I was in high school). I also feel it is a good experience for my children and a way for my wife to use her education while being home with our children.

I couldn’t afford a huge farm, just something small (16 acres) so that as soon as everything is completely paid off and savings is adequate I will leave the vaccine industry and settle to the farm full time, my hope is 5-6 years.

I have been studying alternate energy sources as well and am currently working on a blue/green algae to biodiesel system, and a wind turbine system with battery storage and inverter. hope to have both up and running within the next 2 yrs.

I will be honest, at the site I work at I know of about 35 employees doing something similar. Most of us keep up with what is going on politically and financially. I know 2 ex military that are in their 50s that are part of different community/co-ops set up to self-sustainable and in total each occupies about 100 acres of contiguous land.

My father is 75, he completely agrees with the idea of being self sustainable in case anything happens, not even major meltdown of the system, but brief hiccups. We will be putting a small house on our property over the summer for them. Now it is my turn to take care of them and they will be close to my 3 children. They have lived in one of the bedrooms of our house until this point.

So yes as it would seem I am completely and totally batshit crazy.

Actually you will need to remember the area I am from. We are close to the Amish communities, I grew up around farms, a lot of the area is what the administration referred to as clinging to their guns and bibles, being backwoods with alot of ex military. It is a normal way of life for many around here.

MattyG35 · January 31, 2011, 6:56pm

That’s sweet apbt, all the best.
I’d like to get a similar set-up for myself.

apbt55 · January 31, 2011, 7:30pm

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
That’s sweet apbt, all the best.
I’d like to get a similar set-up for myself.[/quote]

Where you are in Canada, is land expensive? From my coworkers at the site in Toronto, they all say it similar to here, it depends how close you are to major metro areas or attractions.

My mothers family moved to Alaska when she married my father, we spent some time there when I was younger and time driving through Canada. I love the land up there. I guess I am weird, I like cold rain and snow, as well as warm summer days.

It is funny alot would consider what I want to be regressing, but along time ago I made a mental commitment to my family, when I was fighting and training, it took alot of time from my first daughter when she real little and from my wife. The only way for them to understand it was to see that commitment and prioritization in my everyday life.

And I get snide looks from the PC people, my daughter will often say I want to be a scientist like you or something else that she sees us do and I will tell her the best thing she can do with here life is to be a good wife, friend, and most of all mother to her children. Everything else in life is secondary.

Brother_Chris · January 31, 2011, 8:50pm

[quote]apbt55 wrote:
Ok so what I don’t get, we no how much revenue we generated last year in taxes, from that number we deduct what we plan on paying towards the debt (more than just interest), the left over gets divided in previously assigned proportions to a part of the budget. And that is the government and it’s bureaus operating budget for the year.

If they can’t fund something it doesn’t get funded. It may be a simplified form, but that is what should happen.[/quote]

Hey sounds kind of like Texas.

apbt55 · January 31, 2011, 8:56pm

oh is that why people are flocking there now to overburden their systems.

MattyG35 · January 31, 2011, 10:48pm

I’m not too sure about price of land, but I did find 120 acres for 30k, but it’s probably all wooded. It’s a few hours from the city.
I’m not financially ready for that yet though, I still have alot of school ahead of me.
If you don’t mind PMing me your email, it would be appreciated for when I’m more capable of doing this.

ZEB · January 31, 2011, 11:26pm