I don’t think Vikings are allowed to be Libertarians. Doesn’t that go against the whole pillaging villages thing?
[quote]Edgy wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]kamui wrote:
A libertarian is someone who believe in the Market Leprechaun, the austrian version of the Tooth Fairy.
if you believe in the traditionnal tooth fairy, you can consider yourself immunized.
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No, please elaborate, he should also know that he will revert to being little more than an animal unless he willingly sacrifices at least half his income to Mother Russ…, the Fatherl…, ah, the most moral nation to ever grace this planet, the American Hegemony.
Who knows, he might even lose the power of speech?
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you guys are losing me…dumb this down a little for us simple folk.[/quote]
Don’t let these guys confuse you. Libertarians are those guys that work in libraries.
[quote]Edgy wrote:
so, if I refuted the comment that the French revolution was a success, and mentioned that they had just exchanged one form of tyranny for another, how does that make me a Libertarian?
If I had outlined the fact that people universally desire to be lorded over by an oppressive government, does that make me a libertarian?
srsly…this is fucking with my head.
link to thread in question.
No, you sound the opposite of a libertarian. Most hold the Revolution as the best thing since…well, I won’t say, but they just think it is good.
[quote]postholedigger wrote:
[quote]Edgy wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]kamui wrote:
A libertarian is someone who believe in the Market Leprechaun, the austrian version of the Tooth Fairy.
if you believe in the traditionnal tooth fairy, you can consider yourself immunized.
[/quote]
No, please elaborate, he should also know that he will revert to being little more than an animal unless he willingly sacrifices at least half his income to Mother Russ…, the Fatherl…, ah, the most moral nation to ever grace this planet, the American Hegemony.
Who knows, he might even lose the power of speech?
[/quote]
you guys are losing me…dumb this down a little for us simple folk.[/quote]
Don’t let these guys confuse you. Libertarians are those guys that work in libraries.
[/quote]
Well, in a nutshell, there you go. That’s it 
[quote]Edgy wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
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I am not sure why but I sense a little disingenuousness you part. I don’t mean it in a good or bad way I just feel there is a “right” answer, or you are looking for someone to say something about you. I am not sure, I just get that vibe.
I hope this doesn’t come across dick-headed as it kinda sounds like I am, but I really don’t mean it that way.
Sooo, in light of that, can you provide a little context as to what circumstance led people to call you a libertarian? It’s not a wordy-derd. BTW.
[/quote]
Sure…follow this thread and you’ll see what I mean.
Like I said, I’m not sure what led up to this comment, and am not political so I am confused.
this is the thread that got me all confused. Please let me know if my remarks were off base.
After perusing the link, I have come to a couple of conclusions. I politically speaking I’d say you have a slight tilt to the left. Second, you are not apolitical as you profess… You have strong opinions.
PWI is many things… In the end to me it’s the most interesting thread. Speaking for me, I have been lifting for some 20 odd years. If there is something on my mind or something I want opinions of regarding training I post in the T-cell. Otherwise new info trickles in at a glacial pace these days. What I don’t feel like doing is arguing about lifting. I have been lifting long enough to know that there is no one way and different stages call for different strategies. Sure I can help younger lifters except so many people are doing that already, that I would just be repeating what was said. Besides, I just go done with a major back surgery, I am on the DL for at least 4 months, more likely 6…Oh but I will lift. It has the gravitational pull of a super massive black hole to me.
I still read the articles I still buy stuff. PWI keeps me tied to the community with out rehashing old stuff over and over, so I like it for that.
You’d be surprised at how intelligent these meatheads really are.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Edgy wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
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I am not sure why but I sense a little disingenuousness you part. I don’t mean it in a good or bad way I just feel there is a “right” answer, or you are looking for someone to say something about you. I am not sure, I just get that vibe.
I hope this doesn’t come across dick-headed as it kinda sounds like I am, but I really don’t mean it that way.
Sooo, in light of that, can you provide a little context as to what circumstance led people to call you a libertarian? It’s not a wordy-derd. BTW.
[/quote]
Sure…follow this thread and you’ll see what I mean.
Like I said, I’m not sure what led up to this comment, and am not political so I am confused.
this is the thread that got me all confused. Please let me know if my remarks were off base.
After perusing the link, I have come to a couple of conclusions. I politically speaking I’d say you have a slight tilt to the left. Second, you are not apolitical as you profess… You have strong opinions.
PWI is many things… In the end to me it’s the most interesting thread. Speaking for me, I have been lifting for some 20 odd years. If there is something on my mind or something I want opinions of regarding training I post in the T-cell. Otherwise new info trickles in at a glacial pace these days. What I don’t feel like doing is arguing about lifting. I have been lifting long enough to know that there is no one way and different stages call for different strategies. Sure I can help younger lifters except so many people are doing that already, that I would just be repeating what was said. Besides, I just go done with a major back surgery, I am on the DL for at least 4 months, more likely 6…Oh but I will lift. It has the gravitational pull of a super massive black hole to me.
I still read the articles I still buy stuff. PWI keeps me tied to the community with out rehashing old stuff over and over, so I like it for that.
You’d be surprised at how intelligent these meatheads really are.[/quote]
It’s been a very similar trajectory for me, as well. If PWI didn’t exist, I’d probably only stop by this site anymore to order my protein powder and that’d be about it.
Hell, now that I think about it, if it weren’t for PWI, I’d have a whole lot more free time to spend on productive activities. Then again, I don’t watch TV and a guy needs some leisure time.
Irish - Gotcha…I just happened to have read a book regarding the Jacobean influence in the shaping of the west up to and including the American revolution, and found it fascinating. I just happen to be up on that period of history and had a great time expounding on my newly found information. I dig history and if my life had turned out a little differently, am sure I would’ve ended up teaching history to high schoolers. your apology was not required, but accepted nonetheless.
PHD - Funny, but the librarian thing popped in my head too~
Chris, the history books teach us that this revolution ushered in a new age, and in a way they were right, but the part they leave out is that all the governing bodies were still in place, and nothing changed for the common person - other than universal health care, maybe. but that is another subject!!
Pat - Thanks for the posts, and being a meathead myself, I get that there are some of us that are deep and insightful people…I like to include myself in that group. and think that you and I are not that far apart in our line of thinking. you said that I have a political bent, and being from Cali, I suppose I have a liberal part of me that cannot be denied…and, you smart sumbitch…I used to be politically active in local, state and federal campaigns…and even ran for city council myself. You should work for CSI or something!!!
Cortes - I tend to stay away from PWI, political arguments do not interest me…but I must say, meeting ya’all, I get that this could be interesting.
so the Libertarian comment has still confused me, but since Irish was just lashing out, I guess I should get over it and move on.
but thanks for all ya’all’s help!
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
It was this line that did it.
“however true this is, it was the people who chose to have the monarchy and chose to be lorded over. Even in the US, tell me that the presidency is as it was once conceived, and not a new form of Kingship PUT IN PLACE by the people in order that we can be Lorded over.”
Because of this very forum, people who open up with things like this immediately make me roll my eyes, especially the line about the President being a new king - when in fact, that is NOT how it was conceived, and our country doesn’t function like that at this point. And also - the people of France were born into that system, as the people of America were born into the English one, and had to violently break free. The paths they took from there are not so similar, but the initial struggle and the ideals that drove them both absolutely were.
Edgy, for some reason I thought you were one of the lunatic fringe that regularly posts on this forum, hence my reactionary reply when you came onto that thread. For that I am sorry. My mistake.[/quote]
No, he rapidly approaches an elected dictator. That is indeed not very kingly.
Also, whereas the American revolution was heavily influenced by Locke, common law and a general distrust for authority, as is to be expected from smugglers, slaveholders and and general misfits, the French revolution was heavily influenced by Rouseaus idea of the souvereignty of the people who, in a mystical moment, joined their minds and created THE NATION (read as in THE BORG, resistance is futile) which could do no wrong, given that it was the embodiment of the peoples will.
Unfortunately, the French had no sufficient supply of smugglers, slaveholders and assorted ilk who would have laughed at the absurdity of all this but learned lawyers who were above, lets say, libertarian leaning ideals, so obviously a few massacres were in order.[/quote]
Maybe I would have paid more attention if history had been presented to me this way.
[quote]Edgy wrote:
Irish - Gotcha…I just happened to have read a book regarding the Jacobean influence in the shaping of the west up to and including the American revolution, and found it fascinating. I just happen to be up on that period of history and had a great time expounding on my newly found information. I dig history and if my life had turned out a little differently, am sure I would’ve ended up teaching history to high schoolers. your apology was not required, but accepted nonetheless.
PHD - Funny, but the librarian thing popped in my head too~
Chris, the history books teach us that this revolution ushered in a new age, and in a way they were right, but the part they leave out is that all the governing bodies were still in place, and nothing changed for the common person - other than universal health care, maybe. but that is another subject!!
Pat - Thanks for the posts, and being a meathead myself, I get that there are some of us that are deep and insightful people…I like to include myself in that group. and think that you and I are not that far apart in our line of thinking. you said that I have a political bent, and being from Cali, I suppose I have a liberal part of me that cannot be denied…and, you smart sumbitch…I used to be politically active in local, state and federal campaigns…and even ran for city council myself. You should work for CSI or something!!!
Cortes - I tend to stay away from PWI, political arguments do not interest me…but I must say, meeting ya’all, I get that this could be interesting.
so the Libertarian comment has still confused me, but since Irish was just lashing out, I guess I should get over it and move on.
but thanks for all ya’all’s help!
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It also seems that the guy is just a narrow back and makes ad hominem attacks against persons that disagree with him. He called you a libertarian when you disagreed with him. He called me a Catholic…I guess he was trying to insult me (that’s where I get the idea the guy is a narrow back), I am not sure how it exactly it was an insult, but just to make sure I knew he didn’t like me (forget about addressing my argument, he blatantly says he won’t) he throws out an ad hominem attack about me bashing gays.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
It also seems that the guy is just a narrow back and makes ad hominem attacks against persons that disagree with him. He called you a libertarian when you disagreed with him. He called me a Catholic…I guess he was trying to insult me (that’s where I get the idea the guy is a narrow back), I am not sure how it exactly it was an insult, but just to make sure I knew he didn’t like me (forget about addressing my argument, he blatantly says he won’t) he throws out an ad hominem attack about me bashing gays.
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…and that’s one small step from, “is that your viewpoint?” punches the other person
[quote]postholedigger wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
It also seems that the guy is just a narrow back and makes ad hominem attacks against persons that disagree with him. He called you a libertarian when you disagreed with him. He called me a Catholic…I guess he was trying to insult me (that’s where I get the idea the guy is a narrow back), I am not sure how it exactly it was an insult, but just to make sure I knew he didn’t like me (forget about addressing my argument, he blatantly says he won’t) he throws out an ad hominem attack about me bashing gays.
[/quote]
…and that’s one small step from, “is that your viewpoint?” punches the other person[/quote]
lol
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Edgy wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
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I am not sure why but I sense a little disingenuousness you part. I don’t mean it in a good or bad way I just feel there is a “right” answer, or you are looking for someone to say something about you. I am not sure, I just get that vibe.
I hope this doesn’t come across dick-headed as it kinda sounds like I am, but I really don’t mean it that way.
Sooo, in light of that, can you provide a little context as to what circumstance led people to call you a libertarian? It’s not a wordy-derd. BTW.
[/quote]
Sure…follow this thread and you’ll see what I mean.
Like I said, I’m not sure what led up to this comment, and am not political so I am confused.
this is the thread that got me all confused. Please let me know if my remarks were off base.
After perusing the link, I have come to a couple of conclusions. I politically speaking I’d say you have a slight tilt to the left. Second, you are not apolitical as you profess… You have strong opinions.
PWI is many things… In the end to me it’s the most interesting thread. Speaking for me, I have been lifting for some 20 odd years. If there is something on my mind or something I want opinions of regarding training I post in the T-cell. Otherwise new info trickles in at a glacial pace these days. What I don’t feel like doing is arguing about lifting. I have been lifting long enough to know that there is no one way and different stages call for different strategies. Sure I can help younger lifters except so many people are doing that already, that I would just be repeating what was said. Besides, I just go done with a major back surgery, I am on the DL for at least 4 months, more likely 6…Oh but I will lift. It has the gravitational pull of a super massive black hole to me.
I still read the articles I still buy stuff. PWI keeps me tied to the community with out rehashing old stuff over and over, so I like it for that.
You’d be surprised at how intelligent these meatheads really are.[/quote]
ive noticed that as well, there are quite a bit of sharp guys(and ladies) on here. But to be a good meat head, you cant be the run of the mill douschbag that does shrugs and curls 5 days a week
[quote]orion wrote:
It means that you want children to work in mines, to see traditional marriage destroyed and mandatory drug use from 14 years onward.
For details, see Sloth and Thunderbolts posts. [/quote]
Don’t forget a hooker on every corner.
[quote]xfactor3236 wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Edgy wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
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I am not sure why but I sense a little disingenuousness you part. I don’t mean it in a good or bad way I just feel there is a “right” answer, or you are looking for someone to say something about you. I am not sure, I just get that vibe.
I hope this doesn’t come across dick-headed as it kinda sounds like I am, but I really don’t mean it that way.
Sooo, in light of that, can you provide a little context as to what circumstance led people to call you a libertarian? It’s not a wordy-derd. BTW.
[/quote]
Sure…follow this thread and you’ll see what I mean.
Like I said, I’m not sure what led up to this comment, and am not political so I am confused.
this is the thread that got me all confused. Please let me know if my remarks were off base.
After perusing the link, I have come to a couple of conclusions. I politically speaking I’d say you have a slight tilt to the left. Second, you are not apolitical as you profess… You have strong opinions.
PWI is many things… In the end to me it’s the most interesting thread. Speaking for me, I have been lifting for some 20 odd years. If there is something on my mind or something I want opinions of regarding training I post in the T-cell. Otherwise new info trickles in at a glacial pace these days. What I don’t feel like doing is arguing about lifting. I have been lifting long enough to know that there is no one way and different stages call for different strategies. Sure I can help younger lifters except so many people are doing that already, that I would just be repeating what was said. Besides, I just go done with a major back surgery, I am on the DL for at least 4 months, more likely 6…Oh but I will lift. It has the gravitational pull of a super massive black hole to me.
I still read the articles I still buy stuff. PWI keeps me tied to the community with out rehashing old stuff over and over, so I like it for that.
You’d be surprised at how intelligent these meatheads really are.[/quote]
ive noticed that as well, there are quite a bit of sharp guys(and ladies) on here. But to be a good meat head, you cant be the run of the mill douschbag that does shrugs and curls 5 days a week
[/quote]
I love being a meat head. Good Lord knows I have not spent as much time, money and effort on any other frivolous, selfish activity as I have on training. PWI gives you a chance to see how diverse this meat head crowd is. There are lot’s of smart, cool people and there are some real pieces of work too. So you get to run the gamut. I think you need the whole spectrum to make it work…PWI wouldn’t be as much fun with out the occasional douschbag, even if annoying.
[quote]John S. wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
It means that you want children to work in mines, to see traditional marriage destroyed and mandatory drug use from 14 years onward.
For details, see Sloth and Thunderbolts posts. [/quote]
Don’t forget a hooker on every corner.[/quote]
Hey hookers need to work too…
[quote]kamui wrote:
A libertarian is someone who believe in the Market Leprechaun, the austrian version of the Tooth Fairy.
if you believe in the traditionnal tooth fairy, you can consider yourself immunized.
[/quote]
A libertarian believes that the less the government messes with the market the better.
A liberal/progressive believes the government should regulate the free market and then regulate it more when it their earlier regulations don’t work.
A conservative believes that old government regulations are perfectly fine but new ones are insane, unless they personally benefit him. Recent new regulation should be repealed.
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
[quote]kamui wrote:
A libertarian is someone who believe in the Market Leprechaun, the austrian version of the Tooth Fairy.
if you believe in the traditionnal tooth fairy, you can consider yourself immunized.
[/quote]
A libertarian believes that the less the government messes with the market the better.
A liberal/progressive believes the government should regulate the free market and then regulate it more when it their earlier regulations don’t work.
A conservative believes that old government regulations are perfectly fine but new ones are insane, unless they personally benefit him. Recent new regulation should be repealed.
[/quote]
Yes, because political positions are best defined in one or two sentences. You are mistaken on your definition entirely on conservatives.
They hold that the democracy of the dead was not a bunch of insane baboons and for good reason made the laws which we have, and that if there is to be reform it should be a prudent reform and definitely not a revolution.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
[quote]kamui wrote:
A libertarian is someone who believe in the Market Leprechaun, the austrian version of the Tooth Fairy.
if you believe in the traditionnal tooth fairy, you can consider yourself immunized.
[/quote]
A libertarian believes that the less the government messes with the market the better.
A liberal/progressive believes the government should regulate the free market and then regulate it more when it their earlier regulations don’t work.
A conservative believes that old government regulations are perfectly fine but new ones are insane, unless they personally benefit him. Recent new regulation should be repealed.
[/quote]
Yes, because political positions are best defined in one or two sentences. You are mistaken on your definition entirely on conservatives.
They hold that the democracy of the dead was not a bunch of insane baboons and for good reason made the laws which we have, and that if there is to be reform it should be a prudent reform and definitely not a revolution. [/quote]
I was making fun of the Sean Hannity’s of the world with my off the cuff definition of conservatives. I have much in common with conservatives but all too often many of them do not think things through and are afraid of change.
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
[quote]kamui wrote:
A libertarian is someone who believe in the Market Leprechaun, the austrian version of the Tooth Fairy.
if you believe in the traditionnal tooth fairy, you can consider yourself immunized.
[/quote]
A libertarian believes that the less the government messes with the market the better.
A liberal/progressive believes the government should regulate the free market and then regulate it more when it their earlier regulations don’t work.
A conservative believes that old government regulations are perfectly fine but new ones are insane, unless they personally benefit him. Recent new regulation should be repealed.
[/quote]
Yes, because political positions are best defined in one or two sentences. You are mistaken on your definition entirely on conservatives.
They hold that the democracy of the dead was not a bunch of insane baboons and for good reason made the laws which we have, and that if there is to be reform it should be a prudent reform and definitely not a revolution. [/quote]
I was making fun of the Sean Hannity’s of the world with my off the cuff definition of conservatives. I have much in common with conservatives but all too often many of them do not think things through and are afraid of change.[/quote]
Hey…I don’t think through and I’m afraid of change! YOU TAKIN BOUT ME MISTER!!
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
[quote]kamui wrote:
A libertarian is someone who believe in the Market Leprechaun, the austrian version of the Tooth Fairy.
if you believe in the traditionnal tooth fairy, you can consider yourself immunized.
[/quote]
A libertarian believes that the less the government messes with the market the better.
A liberal/progressive believes the government should regulate the free market and then regulate it more when it their earlier regulations don’t work.
A conservative believes that old government regulations are perfectly fine but new ones are insane, unless they personally benefit him. Recent new regulation should be repealed.
[/quote]
Yes, because political positions are best defined in one or two sentences. You are mistaken on your definition entirely on conservatives.
They hold that the democracy of the dead was not a bunch of insane baboons and for good reason made the laws which we have, and that if there is to be reform it should be a prudent reform and definitely not a revolution. [/quote]
I was making fun of the Sean Hannity’s of the world with my off the cuff definition of conservatives. I have much in common with conservatives but all too often many of them do not think things through and are afraid of change.[/quote]
I put that blame on the lack of reading the classics of the Western world.