Then that’s a problem since religious belief is irrational.
Do you think it is immoral to separate families of citizens when they commit crimes resulting in incarceration? I don’t, and I don’t think this crime is any different from any other.
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I do think it is immoral for parents to commit crimes they know can result in being separated from their children.
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No. But then, the families of citizen-criminals aren’t separated from them with the goal of deterring crime–they’re separated because it would be immoral, unjust and impractical to send children to prison with their parents.
Discrimination based on political beliefs is not illegal.
You can decide if it’s petty, or if it’s making the country better or helping with the political divide if we refuse to serve each other.
As @EyeDentist recently said, the GOP doesn’t care about children. Really, if you can tell someone voted for Trump or is a member of the GOP, then… it’s the moral thing to do. Also, if you’re a Christian but lean right on the political spectrum then you’re not the right kind of Christian. I mean, if you’ve kidapped Jesus, that’s pretty bad. Hopefully we can all sort each other out in these ways, so we can refuse to associate with each other.
When they commit, or are convicted, of a crime?
What is the alternative? Is it immoral for a family to try and escape from an oppressive and violent place? When the US refused to take in any more Jews from Nazi Germany, and even refused to allow entry to the Jews on board the St Louis (the voyage of the damned), had those Jews seeking refuge tried to sneak into the US to avoid going back to Germany, for obvious reasons, would they have done something immoral? It would have been illegal.
Why? Why would that be wrong? You had a thread about how Conservatives are less kind than Liberals, take special delight in political victories, and liberals are less likely to do this. If you’re standing up for right, this is a battle of good against evil.
Wouldn’t shaming your conservative neighbor, or refusing to associate with him be a a good thing? Maybe he’ll think twice about his views when you speak truth to power to him? If he’s not getting with the program, he’s likely a bigot and racist or just stupid. Maybe if you refuse to attend his BBQ or help him move his couch, he’ll change for the better. If you can pick up on the fact that someone is a conservative, why associate with him? Why admit them to your graduate program? They’re less likely to be a good person.
Is it possible to be a moral or ethical person and be a conservative? I asked this question of @EyeDentist once and he didn’t answer it. It’s a fairly simple question, so that’s telling.
@anon50325502 put up an article from Maxine Waters saying “God is on our side.” Wouldn’t it be good to root out Christian conservatives like Jeff Sessions? Condemn them. Make them unwelcome in your church, if you attend one? The Methodists are doing that. Surely that sends a message to anyone who is conservative that they aren’t welcome. Then at night in your prayers you can say, “Thank you God, for making me better than other Christians.”
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Gayness and blackness would be out of her control. Imo, we should be “judging” our fellow man based on his/her actions and beliefs. Imo she was absolutely judged for the correct reasons.
Far as the business owner goes, she’ll probably regret the move when they go out of business. Adding unneeded controversy to your business doesn’t tend to be a good long term move. Didn’t the anti gay baker end up going under or having money problems? Could be wrong I didn’t look into it a ton
I think that conservatives tend to take more delight (and are more concerned about) seeing a liberal foe fail than democrats are. For example, Fox News stories about anything CA or Hilary are huge click baits for them, while us in CA really are not overjoyed when hearing about Alabama or Louisiana failures. Again, I may be wrong and this could be more of a reflection of my own interactions.
Yes, a conservative person can be ethical. A liberal can be unethical. I would support refusing service to anyone who scapegoated for Harvey Weinstein. I don’t care what you call yourself or political party/religion you align with, if you are involved in morally corrupt deeds and polices you should and can be held responsible for that.
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If he didn’t answer it, perhaps it’s because he recognized that it’s not a “simple question” at all, but rather a thinly-veiled insult that he refused to dignify with a response.
I reckon he also recognizes your behavior of late on this forum as being really juvenile, and thinks you should either address him directly to get this bee out of your bonnet, or keep his name off your fingertips.
Can we expect a Special Law, that explicitly protects the right to refuse service to members of Pres Trumps administration? Or Trump supporters?
I can’t help but pull the whole whutaboutism here, I wonder what kind of outrage we would have seen from the Maxine Waters’ of the world had restaurants essentially kicked Obama admin folks out because of his treatment of the little sisters of the poor, for example?
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No, because you would be falling into the trap that both parties set to keep us at our throats.
The last thing they want is for voters to come together with one voice since it would mean both parties would have to give up some things and learn to play a different game from the divisive one they currently play.
Since it is possible to be immoral and a liberal then I would say yes.
Who else said that? Hmmmm…
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Probably because you don’t want those people moving to CA.
We can expect the bestest law.
Well, she couldn’t say God was on her side.
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That’s the political/social version of “Hold my beer…”.
Also puts me in the uncomfortable position of agreeing with Nancy Pelosi.
I bet it wouldn’t have stopped her.
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…and Trump Fires Back…
“…The Red Hen Restaurant should focus more on cleaning its filthy canopies, doors and windows (badly needs a paint job) rather than refusing to serve a fine person like Sarah Huckabee Sanders. I always had a rule… if a restaurant is dirty on the outside, it is dirty on the inside!..”
I’m just TOTALLY in shock that he would respond… (*sarcasm meant"…)
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