[quote]Rusty Barbell wrote:
I used to bite the tops of Flavor-Ice off with my teeth instead of cutting them. Sometimes I would laugh at my friends when they went to the kitchen to grab scissors.[/quote]
Oh hell yes.
It was way too much effort to cut the tops off.
Just ripping them off with your teeth was key. It you actually bothered to get scissors you had to wait for your frozen treat.
And even THEN the scissors would get sticky.
The smartest people in the world aren’t concerned about taking an IQ test for the guiness book of world records. They usually don’t work for their spouse’s company either.
'Nuff said.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
As I thought: you had no evidence that “that system will break down sooner.”
Further you failed to realize that overeating – excess total amount per day – is a totally different matter than eating the correct amount divided into a different amount of meals, and therefore not only does your citation show nothing regarding your claim that the “system will break down sooner” even in the case studied, but that the case studied had no bearing in any case.
You also know nothing of how zoo animals are kept.
I did learn something though: I hadn’t known they had Internet access under bridges. Wi-Fi?
Headhunter wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
…and since her digestive system is ‘on’ all day, as is her parasympathetic system (to keep digestion going), that system will breakdown all the sooner.
Evidence, please?
Not unproven “reasoning,” but evidence?
Google Scholar not working for you today?
“The overfeeding-induced changes in autonomic outflow occur with typical symptoms such as adiposity and hyperisulinemia. There might be a causal relationship between autonmic disturbances and the consequences of overfeeding and obesity. Therefore studies were designed to investigate autonomic functioning in experimentally and genetically hyperphagic rats. Special emphasis was given to the processes that are involved in the regulation of peripheral energy substrate horneostasis. The data revealed that overfeeding is accompanied by increased parasympathetic outflow.”
http://www.springerlink.com/content/g4m1814033255j81/
“In models for hyperphagia that display a continuously elevated nutrient intake such as the VMH-lesioned and the overfed rat, this increased sympathetic tone was accompanied by a diminished NE response to exercise. This attenuated outflow of NE was directly related to the size of the fat reserves, indicating that the feedback mechanism from the periphery to the central nervous system is altered in the overfed state.”
Of course, you COULD simply go to the zoo and look at the poor predator animals who’re constantly fed — their glazed eyes and constant sleeping. They’re fed constantly to reduce their natural hunting instincts. (Its a crime to keep predator animals locked up, IMHO.)
Hmmm…perhaps that’s why WE are fed constantly. Fat and jolly people are easier to rule than lean hungry predators. That’s food for thought!
Yeah, I kind of thought that the study listed would be beyond you, that constant feeding fucks up the sympathetic/parasympathetic loop. Ah well, go ahead and keep chugging down the non-stop food. You sure know that humans were meant to eat all day long! LOL! Happy grazing!!
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Happy grazing indeed. Too bad grazing denotes “to eat small portions of food in place of one big meal” and the study cited “Overfeeding and obesity.” Hmm, when’s the last time small meals caused obesity…? Really can you think of a study that was designed to do this? The “sympathetic/parasympathetic loop” argument appears to be the only leg that TWD stands on, and the study cited show no applicability as a blanket statement to bodybuilding diets. In fact the study even states that “[the implicated negative result of the overfeeding] was directly related to the size of the fat reserves.” I don’t think it’s anyone’s goal on this website to use overfeeding as a mechanism to hypertrophy their fat reserves. Happy stuffing.
[quote]Westclock wrote:
Rusty Barbell wrote:
I used to bite the tops of Flavor-Ice off with my teeth instead of cutting them. Sometimes I would laugh at my friends when they went to the kitchen to grab scissors.
Oh hell yes.
It was way too much effort to cut the tops off.
Just ripping them off with your teeth was key. It you actually bothered to get scissors you had to wait for your frozen treat.
And even THEN the scissors would get sticky.
[/quote]
This usually made it really hard to cut out paper snow flakes. You’d end up pushing too hard and cutting way too far – basically ruining the snow flake.
We had tons of scissors at my house though.
[quote]BulletproofTiger wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
As I thought: you had no evidence that “that system will break down sooner.”
Further you failed to realize that overeating – excess total amount per day – is a totally different matter than eating the correct amount divided into a different amount of meals, and therefore not only does your citation show nothing regarding your claim that the “system will break down sooner” even in the case studied, but that the case studied had no bearing in any case.
You also know nothing of how zoo animals are kept.
I did learn something though: I hadn’t known they had Internet access under bridges. Wi-Fi?
Headhunter wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
…and since her digestive system is ‘on’ all day, as is her parasympathetic system (to keep digestion going), that system will breakdown all the sooner.
Evidence, please?
Not unproven “reasoning,” but evidence?
Google Scholar not working for you today?
“The overfeeding-induced changes in autonomic outflow occur with typical symptoms such as adiposity and hyperisulinemia. There might be a causal relationship between autonmic disturbances and the consequences of overfeeding and obesity. Therefore studies were designed to investigate autonomic functioning in experimentally and genetically hyperphagic rats. Special emphasis was given to the processes that are involved in the regulation of peripheral energy substrate horneostasis. The data revealed that overfeeding is accompanied by increased parasympathetic outflow.”
http://www.springerlink.com/content/g4m1814033255j81/
“In models for hyperphagia that display a continuously elevated nutrient intake such as the VMH-lesioned and the overfed rat, this increased sympathetic tone was accompanied by a diminished NE response to exercise. This attenuated outflow of NE was directly related to the size of the fat reserves, indicating that the feedback mechanism from the periphery to the central nervous system is altered in the overfed state.”
Of course, you COULD simply go to the zoo and look at the poor predator animals who’re constantly fed — their glazed eyes and constant sleeping. They’re fed constantly to reduce their natural hunting instincts. (Its a crime to keep predator animals locked up, IMHO.)
Hmmm…perhaps that’s why WE are fed constantly. Fat and jolly people are easier to rule than lean hungry predators. That’s food for thought!
Yeah, I kind of thought that the study listed would be beyond you, that constant feeding fucks up the sympathetic/parasympathetic loop. Ah well, go ahead and keep chugging down the non-stop food. You sure know that humans were meant to eat all day long! LOL! Happy grazing!!
Happy grazing indeed. Too bad grazing denotes “to eat small portions of food in place of one big meal” and the study cited “Overfeeding and obesity.” Hmm, when’s the last time small meals caused obesity…? Really can you think of a study that was designed to do this? The “sympathetic/parasympathetic loop” argument appears to be the only leg that TWD stands on, and the study cited show no applicability as a blanket statement to bodybuilding diets. In fact the study even states that “[the implicated negative result of the overfeeding] was directly related to the size of the fat reserves.” I don’t think it’s anyone’s goal on this website to use overfeeding as a mechanism to hypertrophy their fat reserves. Happy stuffing.[/quote]
Humans instinctivally love to binge. If you treat your calorie intake in a linear fashion (as Bill Roberts and others advocate), you continually deny the instinct to binge, the bane of all dieters. There is a reason you want to binge at night — you are supposed to go hungry all day (while you hunt/gather) and then binge-eat at night. We’re built to do this. Humans are not linear equations.
For this reason, your active hunter/gatherer nervous system (Sympathetic) is on during the day while your digestive (Parasympathetic) system is mostly shut down. This is when it rests. Eating 6 meals per day means that your digestive system actually gets little rest, until all the food is digested. This is a big reason why humans are getting fatter, with more cancer, heart disease, high blood pressure, and so forth; they eat all the time.
I realize that this goes against the grain of what many of these wonderful experts preach. They are deluded into thinking that humans can fit a mathematical model for dieting. The concept is laughable. “Add up all your calories, divide by 6, and there you go.” RFLMAO!
[quote]B rocK wrote:
did anyone else ever have trouble opening those “capri sun” drinks when they were young? Man I used to make such a mess.[/quote]
Otter pops were my nemesis when I was little. My parents would just hand one to me and say “There ya go”, and they wouldn’t open it for me. Sometimes I had to tear it open with my teeth. 
[quote]Cherrymennos wrote:
B rocK wrote:
did anyone else ever have trouble opening those “capri sun” drinks when they were young? Man I used to make such a mess.
Otter pops were my nemesis when I was little. My parents would just hand one to me and say “There ya go”, and they wouldn’t open it for me. Sometimes I had to tear it open with my teeth. :'([/quote]
Did you get hair stuck in your teeth?
[quote]Cherrymennos wrote:
B rocK wrote:
did anyone else ever have trouble opening those “capri sun” drinks when they were young? Man I used to make such a mess.
Otter pops were my nemesis when I was little. My parents would just hand one to me and say “There ya go”, and they wouldn’t open it for me. Sometimes I had to tear it open with my teeth. :'([/quote]
lol. Those are what the other 1/3 of the people in this thread are talking about.
Some people and the OP are having a “debate” and the rest of us are talking about capri-suns, Fla-Vor-Ice, otter pops, the difficulty in opening afore mentioned…finally resulting to teeth…and that scissors are too slow and sticky.
Otter pops were actually released in response to Fla-Vor-Ice, they were competeing products, until Fla-Vor-Ice’s company bought out otter pops.
NOW, my sworn enemy was those Caramel Apple pops, those were hell.
I remember those bitches to this day, you couldn’t get the plastic off those things to save your life, the caramel would glue itself to the plastic.
And even if you did manage to pick every little piece of plastic off and actually proceed to try to eat it…
If you were an impatient child like me you would try to bite it, and just get your teeth stuck, this lead to you biting and unsticking the pop many times from your teeth, it was kinda painful.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
BulletproofTiger wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
As I thought: you had no evidence that “that system will break down sooner.”
Further you failed to realize that overeating – excess total amount per day – is a totally different matter than eating the correct amount divided into a different amount of meals, and therefore not only does your citation show nothing regarding your claim that the “system will break down sooner” even in the case studied, but that the case studied had no bearing in any case.
You also know nothing of how zoo animals are kept.
I did learn something though: I hadn’t known they had Internet access under bridges. Wi-Fi?
Headhunter wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
…and since her digestive system is ‘on’ all day, as is her parasympathetic system (to keep digestion going), that system will breakdown all the sooner.
Evidence, please?
Not unproven “reasoning,” but evidence?
Google Scholar not working for you today?
“The overfeeding-induced changes in autonomic outflow occur with typical symptoms such as adiposity and hyperisulinemia. There might be a causal relationship between autonmic disturbances and the consequences of overfeeding and obesity. Therefore studies were designed to investigate autonomic functioning in experimentally and genetically hyperphagic rats. Special emphasis was given to the processes that are involved in the regulation of peripheral energy substrate horneostasis. The data revealed that overfeeding is accompanied by increased parasympathetic outflow.”
http://www.springerlink.com/content/g4m1814033255j81/
“In models for hyperphagia that display a continuously elevated nutrient intake such as the VMH-lesioned and the overfed rat, this increased sympathetic tone was accompanied by a diminished NE response to exercise. This attenuated outflow of NE was directly related to the size of the fat reserves, indicating that the feedback mechanism from the periphery to the central nervous system is altered in the overfed state.”
Of course, you COULD simply go to the zoo and look at the poor predator animals who’re constantly fed — their glazed eyes and constant sleeping. They’re fed constantly to reduce their natural hunting instincts. (Its a crime to keep predator animals locked up, IMHO.)
Hmmm…perhaps that’s why WE are fed constantly. Fat and jolly people are easier to rule than lean hungry predators. That’s food for thought!
Yeah, I kind of thought that the study listed would be beyond you, that constant feeding fucks up the sympathetic/parasympathetic loop. Ah well, go ahead and keep chugging down the non-stop food. You sure know that humans were meant to eat all day long! LOL! Happy grazing!!
Happy grazing indeed. Too bad grazing denotes “to eat small portions of food in place of one big meal” and the study cited “Overfeeding and obesity.” Hmm, when’s the last time small meals caused obesity…? Really can you think of a study that was designed to do this? The “sympathetic/parasympathetic loop” argument appears to be the only leg that TWD stands on, and the study cited show no applicability as a blanket statement to bodybuilding diets. In fact the study even states that “[the implicated negative result of the overfeeding] was directly related to the size of the fat reserves.” I don’t think it’s anyone’s goal on this website to use overfeeding as a mechanism to hypertrophy their fat reserves. Happy stuffing.
Humans instinctivally love to binge. If you treat your calorie intake in a linear fashion (as Bill Roberts and others advocate), you continually deny the instinct to binge, the bane of all dieters. There is a reason you want to binge at night — you are supposed to go hungry all day (while you hunt/gather) and then binge-eat at night. We’re built to do this. Humans are not linear equations.
For this reason, your active hunter/gatherer nervous system (Sympathetic) is on during the day while your digestive (Parasympathetic) system is mostly shut down. This is when it rests. Eating 6 meals per day means that your digestive system actually gets little rest, until all the food is digested. This is a big reason why humans are getting fatter, with more cancer, heart disease, high blood pressure, and so forth; they eat all the time.
I realize that this goes against the grain of what many of these wonderful experts preach. They are deluded into thinking that humans can fit a mathematical model for dieting. The concept is laughable. “Add up all your calories, divide by 6, and there you go.” RFLMAO!
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You ignored my point which was that article you provided did not give any evidence showing “these wonderful experts” are wrong in any way shape or form.
You can easily see how your thought goes against the grain, but are somehow not able to see that you did not answer my question as to “how small meals caused obesity…? …can you think of a study that was designed to do this?” Additionally you didn’t adderss the disagreement between your point [that 6 small meals is dangerous to health] and the studies conclusion that “the negative health effect of overating was directly related to the size of the fat reserve.” Bill and others on this site, especially JB don’t argue for overeating to promote fat reserves. In fact there are several articles that go into great length about how to manipulate diet to add muscle mass with little to no fat gain.
[quote]Westclock wrote:
Cherrymennos wrote:
B rocK wrote:
did anyone else ever have trouble opening those “capri sun” drinks when they were young? Man I used to make such a mess.
Otter pops were my nemesis when I was little. My parents would just hand one to me and say “There ya go”, and they wouldn’t open it for me. Sometimes I had to tear it open with my teeth.
lol. Those are what the other 1/3 of the people in this thread are talking about.
Some people and the OP are having a “debate” and the rest of us are talking about capri-suns, Fla-Vor-Ice, otter pops, the difficulty in opening afore mentioned…finally resulting to teeth…and that scissors are too slow and sticky.
Otter pops were actually released in response to Fla-Vor-Ice, they were competeing products, until Fla-Vor-Ice’s company bought out otter pops.
NOW, my sworn enemy was those Caramel Apple pops, those were hell.
I remember those bitches to this day, you couldn’t get the plastic off those things to save your life, the caramel would glue itself to the plastic.
And even if you did manage to pick every little piece of plastic off and actually proceed to try to eat it…
If you were an impatient child like me you would try to bite it, and just get your teeth stuck, this lead to you biting and unsticking the pop many times from your teeth, it was kinda painful.
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Yeah but the funny thing about those it that it was always kinda satisfying to get it stuck to one of your top molars and then unstick it – same thing with the end of a tootsy pop.
I think the biggest pain in the ass to open where the HUGE pixie stix. Those 3’ long tubes of sugar. Those were the equivalent to the packaging of CD’s in the 90’s and now the packaging of USB drives today!
I used to try for EVER to bite off the tops of the pixie stix but the type of plastic they used wouldn’t tear it would stretch and stretch. So then I just switched to buying screwballs from the ice cream man.
[quote]B rocK wrote:
I think the biggest pain in the ass to open where the HUGE pixie stix. Those 3’ long tubes of sugar. Those were the equivalent to the packaging of CD’s in the 90’s and now the packaging of USB drives today!
I used to try for EVER to bite off the tops of the pixie stix but the type of plastic they used wouldn’t tear it would stretch and stretch. So then I just switched to buying screwballs from the ice cream man.[/quote]
God pixie sticks in general were horrible.
If you bite the top off, or got it anywhere NEAR your mouth, the tip would get wet, and the sugar would not come out.
Now you could always just tear further down the tube when this happened…
But it still made it necessary to hold the tube AWAY from your mouth to eat it, resulting in sugar going in your eyes, nose, and all over your clothes.
Lemon flavored sugar + eyes and nose = BURNING.
Worst design ever.
[quote]Westclock wrote: Just ripping them off with your teeth was key. It you actually bothered to get scissors you had to wait for your frozen treat.
And even THEN the scissors would get sticky.[/quote]
True enough. One advantage to using scissors was that you’d be left with the small end that you cut off. You could squeeze this into you mouth all at once. Thus, you didn’t have to suck on the delicious frozen treat. Instead, it you got a small, cold sliver of instant sweetness.
its a big f.uckin revoltion and would change the way people were told to eat 5-6 mealz… fu.ckin contant bowel movements fuk that sh.it man, i have been following the intermittent fasting approach since the last 10-12 days LOVING it strenght gone up, more defination, crazy focus during the workouts, i do take caffine before it though in a fasted state.
Alot of people here have misconceptions about grazing all day and eating a big meal at nite which i did too ie A big fu.ckin meal would mean junk sh.it food which is completely wrong you still will have to eat clean if you want to see results ofcourse which is applicable to the 5-6 meals a day approach, also now i do not give a fuk about my proportion sizes am enjoying the food am eating i lov the veggies how they taste now the taste buds suddenly become crazy good, and am sleeping like a drunken bum.
anyways you do not have to do this , if you are satisfied with 5-6 mealz and yea lets be clear you still are providing the body with nutrients in 5-6 mealz so it will work. but the human instict dies in that kind of eating because we limit your intake as if some experiment is going on your body and if we take in 5grms more we will gain fat and reduce 5grms more we will loose muscle lol.
professional bodybuilders have to eat continously coz we all kno they use prohormones and some kind of roids and they have to elevate their blood glucose from time to time.
it is not easy obviosly and does take 4-5 days to get used to but u start loving it in a weeks time and the results seem to show. show me any study which says you loose muscle if you eat lightly for 16-18 hrs.
p.s you mite get adicted to how good you feel during the day. and not called a sissy mother, by your mates for carrying tupperware food boxes all day lol.
also you are not sleeping as soon you finish your last meal … you have to wait for aleast 2hrs before you fall asleep.
some one here said show me a study which says eating 5-6 meals will make you obese. lets say i eat 5-7 meals small meals 1 hamburger, fries ,coke, fried krispies, icream ,kfc, and so on. will i still be lean man… well fuk it am doing it in 6-7 meals? right so why am i looking like shi.t after eating all of that.
end of the day you have to eat clean 5-6 meals or acccording to your convinence. your choice.
the benefots just seem to exceed if you put you body under some discipline and make it fight for food by undereating for some time rather that disciplining it for portion control following the 5-6 meals pattern.
well seem to be working for me atleast!
[quote]Westclock wrote:
B rocK wrote:
I think the biggest pain in the ass to open where the HUGE pixie stix. Those 3’ long tubes of sugar. Those were the equivalent to the packaging of CD’s in the 90’s and now the packaging of USB drives today!
I used to try for EVER to bite off the tops of the pixie stix but the type of plastic they used wouldn’t tear it would stretch and stretch. So then I just switched to buying screwballs from the ice cream man.
God pixie sticks in general were horrible.
If you bite the top off, or got it anywhere NEAR your mouth, the tip would get wet, and the sugar would not come out.
Now you could always just tear further down the tube when this happened…
But it still made it necessary to hold the tube AWAY from your mouth to eat it, resulting in sugar going in your eyes, nose, and all over your clothes.
Lemon flavored sugar + eyes and nose = BURNING.
Worst design ever.[/quote]
OH yeah those ones did have quite the design flaw. I think those were the “energy drink” of my younger years. We’d get packs of those for field trips and field days.
Now these big plastic ones were the sons of bitches I was originally talking about. I mean, how much would it have killed them to perforate that top??
[quote]B rocK wrote:
OH yeah those ones did have quite the design flaw. I think those were the “energy drink” of my younger years. We’d get packs of those for field trips and field days.
Now these big plastic ones were the sons of bitches I was originally talking about. I mean, how much would it have killed them to perforate that top??[/quote]
Yeah.
The big ones were even worse, the sugar came out too fast because the hole was too big.
lol, yeah I ate a shitload of fruit roll ups, and fruit snacks when we would go to zoos, or hiking or anything like that.
Which didnt make much sense as they were 100% sugar and putting fruit infront of the word meant nothing.
Perhaps they referred to the fact that they were fructose ?
[quote]Westclock wrote:
B rocK wrote:
I think the biggest pain in the ass to open where the HUGE pixie stix. Those 3’ long tubes of sugar. Those were the equivalent to the packaging of CD’s in the 90’s and now the packaging of USB drives today!
I used to try for EVER to bite off the tops of the pixie stix but the type of plastic they used wouldn’t tear it would stretch and stretch. So then I just switched to buying screwballs from the ice cream man.
God pixie sticks in general were horrible.
If you bite the top off, or got it anywhere NEAR your mouth, the tip would get wet, and the sugar would not come out.
Now you could always just tear further down the tube when this happened…
But it still made it necessary to hold the tube AWAY from your mouth to eat it, resulting in sugar going in your eyes, nose, and all over your clothes.
Lemon flavored sugar + eyes and nose = BURNING.
Worst design ever.[/quote]
Man no kidding those things pissed me off. I used to just eat the paper and everything because I could never get the sugar out lol