Slavery Good?

[quote]drag0n252pi wrote:
rainjack, if you were keeping up with this post you would have seen that I already mentioned the tribal warfare and selling their own to the slave traders.[/quote]

Slavery in Europe by Europeans
Slaves were traded openly, mainly in Prague. They were sold by Christians, transported by Jews and then bought in the Middle East.

Slave catching and slave trade was one of the main occupations of the Vikings. Swedish Vikings, the Varangians or Rus, established strongholds and founded the first Russian state, Kievan Rus’ during their trade and Slave catching operations. The Persian traveler Ibn Rustah recounts how they terrorized the Slavs and treated them like cattle. This trade was part of making the ethnic label Slav the name for “slave”.

World War I and World War II

Ok, enough said lets get back on topic

[quote]drag0n252pi wrote:
rainjack, if you were keeping up with this post you would have seen that I already mentioned the tribal warfare and selling their own to the slave traders.[/quote]

I saw that - and it has been summarily ignored by everyone on here in favor of proving that africans were enslaved for their brains.

[quote]Panther1015 wrote:
drag0n252pi wrote:
rainjack, if you were keeping up with this post you would have seen that I already mentioned the tribal warfare and selling their own to the slave traders.

A fact which his perverted logic seems to think justifies validating slavery in this country or anywhere for that matter.
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Show me where I have justified or validated slavery. Short of that you are a fucking liar. Fucking kids.

Isn’t it strange that Africa has been the only continent not to come out of the dark ages? South America is several steps above even with all their issues. Most of Africa has not advanced any further than tribal and ethnic groups warring against one another. Once left to their own after Independence, they fell apart. They couldn’t handle their business.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
drag0n252pi wrote:
rainjack, if you were keeping up with this post you would have seen that I already mentioned the tribal warfare and selling their own to the slave traders.

I saw that - and it has been summarily ignored by everyone on here in favor of proving that africans were enslaved for their brains.
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Sorry did not mean to ignore… again
Slavery in Europe by Europeans
Slaves were traded openly, mainly in Prague. They were sold by Christians, transported by Jews and then bought in the Middle East.

Slave catching and slave trade was one of the main occupations of the Vikings. Swedish Vikings, the Varangians or Rus, established strongholds and founded the first Russian state, Kievan Rus’ during their trade and Slave catching operations. The Persian traveler Ibn Rustah recounts how they terrorized the Slavs and treated them like cattle. This trade was part of making the ethnic label Slav the name for “slave”.

World War I and World War II

Ok, enough said lets get back on topic

I don’t think anyone has validated slavery at all. Must be the ultra liberal in here trying to twist our words. Validation? That is so full of crap.

Bravo, well said. Now I wish all the poor bleeding hearts would all go drink their socialistic pablum.

[quote]drag0n252pi wrote:
I don’t think anyone has validated slavery at all. Must be the ultra liberal in here trying to twist our words. Validation? That is so full of crap.[/quote]

I happen to be a moderate conservative and usually vote republican. Don’t confuse my intolerance of ignorance as a sign of being “liberal”.

And let me clarify that he’s validating that slavery was OK because of the net result it yielded to blacks in this country compared to their African counterparts. I apologize for coming off as though some of you were pro-slavery. That wasn’t my intention.

[quote]drag0n252pi wrote:
Isn’t it strange that Africa has been the only continent not to come out of the dark ages? [/quote]

Isn’t it strange that, historically, certain groups have decided to label any culture not as expansive as theirs’ as inferior? That goes for the Native American indian as well. Were they also living in the dark ages, waiting to be saved by Europeans?

For lack of a better term, Africa has been raped. To look back on history, see this happening, and then come to the lamest conclusion that it was the Africans alone who should be blamed for its current state is sad…lame and sad.

[quote]drag0n252pi wrote:
Isn’t it strange that Africa has been the only continent not to come out of the dark ages? South America is several steps above even with all their issues. Most of Africa has not advanced any further than tribal and ethnic groups warring against one another. Once left to their own after Independence, they fell apart. They couldn’t handle their business. [/quote]

Curious to know what your interpretation of the causes of this situation is. Care to expound on these ideas?

[quote]Professor X wrote:
drag0n252pi wrote:
Isn’t it strange that Africa has been the only continent not to come out of the dark ages?

Isn’t it strange that, historically, certain groups have decided to label any culture not as expansive as theirs’ as inferior? That goes for the Native American indian as well. Were they also living in the dark ages, waiting to be saved by Europeans?

For lack of a better term, Africa has been raped. To look back on history, see this happening, and then come to the lamest conclusion that it was the Africans alone who should be blamed for its current state is sad…lame and sad.[/quote]

So true Professor!

again…
Your , would not the question of bieng better off include mental illness from abuse of slavery,Analogy: often children who are abuse also abuse… It can take several generations for a family to get rid of that craps repetitive nature.
This would include social structure as well.

Why didnt then their societies evolve out of the stone age while the rest of the world was doing so? Yes, the Indians were living a stone age existence and I do not justify the near extinction of the American Indian but it is history and it happened.

I was asked to prove that slaves were brought to the US primarily for their agricultural skills and summarily attacked in the process. Well, I posted the proof, yet when some of these guys claim that blacks are better athletes because of selective slave breeding, I see no proof whatsoever. BTW, I would also like drag0n to explain why he thinks African cultures are “backwards”.

As professorX and myself have stated in this thread, a common culturally ingnorant view is that of comparing other cultures by our own culture’s paradigm (ie what we hold in high regard in our culutre - a measuring stick if you will). In our case, it’s technology. In most African cultures is sociology. Essentially your argument that African culture is inferior to our own or in some way deficient is like comparing apples and oranges.

We ask rainjack and drag0n for facts to back up their claims and all of a sudden the thread goes silent…

[quote]rainjack wrote:
rancho wrote:
Your reasoning is so selective, would not the question of bieng better off include mental illness from abuse of slavery,Analogy: often children who are abuse also abuse… It can take several generations for a family to get rid of that craps repetitive nature.

You’ve totally missed what I was saying. The original question on this thread was are blacks better off here because of slavery, or in Africa having never been captured and sold by their fellow countrymen? I am paraphrasing, but that is the question as I understood it.

The questiopn was never asddressed. It was met with charges of racism and other disparaging remarks. Regardless of the intent of the original poster, I thought it was at the very least a question worthy of discussion.

ProfX compared the treatment of slaves to that of the Holocaust, and I disagreed. Slaves weren’t brought over here to be killed. They were brought over because they were cheap LABOR.

Then he comes back and says that I need to wake up because I didn’t connect the dots from racial extermination and emotional abuse.

You guys are under the horrible misunderstanding that I agree that blacks are better off now. Show me where I said that. Show me where I have ever supported slavery. You can’t. But that’s not what this debate was about.

As for the tangent that began because I said that slaves were tractors - it serves no purpose.

I think it is very sad that all of you are heaping all the blame for the plight of the black man on SOuthern white folk when blacks themselves had as much to do with the slave trade as white southerners. [/quote]

Well are not the Good Southern White Folk at least solely responsible for what they did afther Slavery, what about the practice under which whites, motivated by extreme racism, would attack black Americans in myriad brutal ways to control them. Between 1882 and 1901, more than 100 people were lynched each year in the United States, and the great majority of them were southern African Americans–numbering nearly 2,000 men and boys killed in those two decades. The wave of mob murder continued unabated in the first two decades of the 20th century, numbering nearly 4,000 people by 1932, before tapering off in the 1930s and 1940s. Two or three people were lynched every week in the nation for over 30 years. Whites used mob violence and lynching to control all kinds of black behavior, from voting to manners and attitudes. Most lynchings happened in rural area and small towns whereas mob violence took place in cities. People were brutally murdered by being hung, burned, beaten, mutilated, dragged behind wagons, and other acts of savage torture. In most cases, the local police allowed the lynchings to occur, and witnesses often included the entire white community. In many cases, the victim’s body was cut up for souvenirs. Lynchings were usually justified as community responses to black assaults on white women. In fact, the vast majority of such attacks involved no alleged rape at all, and, typically, the black victims were men and some women who were politically active or economically successful. Many were innocent bystanders who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Blacks responded by launching a national movement to pressure Congress to pass Federal anti-lynching legislation, but these legislative attempts suffered defeat year after year due to the power of southern white senators.

please respond with answer!

[quote]Panther1015 wrote:
We ask rainjack and drag0n for facts to back up their claims and all of a sudden the thread goes silent…[/quote]

exposed maybe

Maybe they haven’t learned to stop fighting and working together as a people. Same as they were doing before the white man got there and the Arabs before us.

Let me see, living in poverty and disease, internal continual conflict, over population, cutting down the rain forests, depending on our aid to make their miserable lives better, yeah I say they are backward. Until their dictatorial third world governments stop raping their own land and peoples maybe just maybe they might advance.

You showed how one idividual made a contribution to his society via agriculture. You don’t call that prooof do you?