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One significant error is accusing God of something that only men can do to one another. Can God murder? Steal? Etc.

He also did not have sex with Mary. If you want to claim He did, then you might as well accuse Him of rape while you’re at it. This isn’t Leda and the Swan.

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The entire old testament.

Job.

And Jesus probably caused some economic losses when he was in the temple.

He did make her pregnant without asking first. And Joseph was about to leave her when he found out.

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Sure he can: killed his own son (or allowed him to be killed - basically the same thing), told Abraham to sacrifice Isaac, tortured Job by throwing him inside a whale and allowing satan to take everything he owned, killed all the firstborns in Egypt, stole land from the Canaanites and gave it to the Jews as the “promised land”, and as far as we know, Mary didn’t really consent - she was just told she would be with child.

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Guys.

I was trying to steer this toward the buttsecks.

I’d appreciate some cooperation. :+1:

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Add this one to the murder list:
Destroyed Sodom and Gammorah for alleged buttsecks…

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Job and Jonah were different people. I’d give you a pass on just getting the name wrong except that you are pulling details from both stories and combining them together.

Something that’s always bothered me about monotheistic religions is how people seem to ignore that the deity and their followers do things that they consider “sin”. Somhow it’s all okay if it shows loyalty to the deity.

Why is loyalty to some mythical power the most important thing, especially since there’s not really any evidence that such mythical power actually exists?
Why can’t people just follow the good principles laid out as part of the religion (e.g., don’t hurt others, keep families intact)

To be clear, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with believing in a higher power, I just find it difficult to understand why wrongs commited in the “name of (insert deity)” are acceptable

There is a lot of anti- capitalist sentiment in the bible

yeah, wrote that in a hurry and forgot about that. Point still stands and almost worse that it’s two separate people.

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oddly enough - his staunchest (or at least loudest) followers now are some of the most capitalistic…
Looking at just Jesus’ teachings - much more socialist.

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To be fair, I think the loudest people are mostly using religion as a manipulation tool.
Actual devout christians I know willingly give a substantial proportion of their income to charity and spend weekends doing volunteer work

Oh for sure, this has been demonstrably true throughout history and across almost all belief systems.

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The real strange part is why that form of manipulation (seems to) work.

Why do actual believers who are good people throw away common sense and put loyalty to deity above everything else taught in the religion to follow the manipulators in doing unreasonable, sometimes outright bad, things?

Short answer: Affinity Bias. Being part of the group is more important to humans psychologically than being right.

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So, since God planned for him to die before he was born, that means he was aborted. Just in the 124th trimester.

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Murder is a legal conclusion. You’re applying laws meant for men to God. So you’re wrong on that point.

God can’t steal what’s His. And again, you’re applying laws to God that He is not subject to. So you’re wrong on this point as well.

He’s God; He doesn’t ask for permission.

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Killing does not equal murder.

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We dropped two atomic bombs on Japan and we don’t call it murder.

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still a massive human rights violation.

The only reason the US doesn’t get called out on it more is because

  1. we won
  2. not dropping it would probably have led to more casualties on both sides
  3. The japanese committed worse atrocities and on a larger scale

I think the “strategic bombing” campaigns should get more heat than they do tbh

Acceptable to whom? Man or God? There are no wrongs committed in the name of God that are acceptable to God.