So now it’s not even good enough to go in and be a doctor, you have to be on the front lines dodging bullets to be worth anything in your eyes? WTF. No matter what anyone says or does some of you just have to disagree, trivialize or deny, pitiful losers.
RangerTab,
I was in 2nd Batt for a little under 4 years in 94-98. Where are you at now?
I usually stay out of the whole politics threads due to the fact no one trys to understand other peoples points.
I have just been accepted to the Denver Police force, I was in the Army 8 years, in the infantry, I have been in Haiti and Kosovo and a little stint in Bosnia.
I firmly believe the U.S. should be in IRAQ, I also believe that soon we’re going to need to get our asses in N Korea. As much as Korea sucks it will need to happen. Countries that do not take heed World Courts or the UN need to get put back in check…There is not a single country out there that can do this but the US.
Anytime we have to put our young men and women in danger it sucks especially when you have to look and tell the mother of one of the troops that was under my care that their son died and if it was in a conflict that their parents did not belive in.
I dont care if it was Bush Sr. Clinton, Bush Jr or Kerry, those people will have alot more information to go on then the public will ever know about. As with this conflict I expect there is alot the public does not know and I accept the fact. Just like when people were demonstraiting against bosnia, they did not get to see a river so full of bodies that you could walk across the top of it and your feet would not get wet by water.
In 96-97 Operation Pacific haven, protesters nowadays did not get to talk to the kurds first hand about the terror of Saddams Regime. And they also didnt get to hear how mad they were at the US because they were told they were going to be protected if they stood up and fought Saddam with the US in the first gulf were and we left them high and dry.
Well anyway not going to get into it all, yes service people that die is bad but it was a possiblity that they knew when they signed up.
I also believe we should have mandatory 2 year service for people getting out of high school.
"I accept the fact that as a Ranger my country expects me to move further, faster, and fight harder than any other soldier. "
Magma
Magma,
Thanks for your input. I welcome you to join our discussions at any time.
You are the antidote to the “if you haven’t been in infantry, you are a chickenhawk.”
I’ll bet the run-and-hide’s won’t attack you personally.
Stay and enjoy,
JeffR
Todd,
Were you suggesting that Doctor’s in the Armed Forces do not place themselves in physical danger?
I will withold comment until you have answered this direct question.
Thanks for your attention,
JeffR
Hundreds of delegates at the Republican convention in NYC mocked the Purple Heart medal, by wearing Purple Heart BandAides.
[quote]Vegita wrote:
So now it’s not even good enough to go in and be a doctor, you have to be on the front lines dodging bullets to be worth anything in your eyes? WTF. No matter what anyone says or does some of you just have to disagree, trivialize or deny, pitiful losers. [/quote]
Vegita
Were you referring to the booger-eating moron in the photo? What about people who mock veterans awarded a Purple Heart medal because they didn’t bleed enough?
JeffR
I see a lot of hot air, but you are hiding from the pertinent question:
WHY AREN’T YOU ALREADY ON YOUR WAY TO IRAQ, TOUGH GUY?
Let me make this easy for you:
MOUNT UP, CHICKENHAWK!
[quote]JeffR wrote:
Todd,
Were you suggesting that Doctor’s in the Armed Forces do not place themselves in physical danger?
I will withold comment until you have answered this direct question.
Thanks for your attention,
JeffR[/quote]
JeffR,
Doctors in the Air Force rarely, if ever, place themselves in relatively dangerous areas. Even then, it would only occur in a very select few units. Doctors in the Army and Navy place themselves much further forward than their counterparts in the Air Force.
Jeff, I think you are in over your head on this one buddy if you are going to try and call me out.
Todd
[quote]Vegita wrote:
So now it’s not even good enough to go in and be a doctor, you have to be on the front lines dodging bullets to be worth anything in your eyes? WTF. No matter what anyone says or does some of you just have to disagree, trivialize or deny, pitiful losers. [/quote]
Vegita,
I don’t care if someone chooses to serve or chooses a different path. I don’t believe servicemen should try to throw their service in the faces of others. I certainly don’t believe that Air Force doctors have any business calling others pussies because I have an understanding of what an Air Force doctor will be doing in Iraq.
Humility is an important quality for military officers to possess. I recognized a gross lack of humility in the post that I responded to, and I addressed that lack of humility.
Todd
Todd,
You are wrong.
By the way, talking down someone’s service invalidates anything you have to say from here on in.
You should apologize.
By the way, ever been in an Air Force Hospital in Afghanistan?
PtrDr, thanks for your committment and service. I wish you the best.
JeffR
I have to agree with Lumpy on this point. That is the side of politics that I really don’t like. I don’t think it helps a cause to tear down another person. No ones war record should be made fun of!
I wonder what that woman was doing when John Kerry was dodging bullets in Viet Nam? The band aid is in extremely poor taste!
Don’t vote for Kerry because he is to liberal, or indecisive. Leave Viet Nam out of it.
[quote]toddjacobs13 wrote:
JeffR wrote:
Todd,
Were you suggesting that Doctor’s in the Armed Forces do not place themselves in physical danger?
I will withold comment until you have answered this direct question.
Thanks for your attention,
JeffR
JeffR,
Doctors in the Air Force rarely, if ever, place themselves in relatively dangerous areas. Even then, it would only occur in a very select few units. Doctors in the Army and Navy place themselves much further forward than their counterparts in the Air Force.
Jeff, I think you are in over your head on this one buddy if you are going to try and call me out.
Todd
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I suppose I should explain the above statement. Air Force doctors rarely, if ever, leave the relatively safe confines of US controlled bases. This excludes SF doctors, of course.
What I think is interesting about Lumpy’s challenge is that no one here on the forums need to sign up for the military. We have enough volunteers to fill the slots for centcoms optempo. But the fact that you support a war doesnt mean that you should be willing to go risk your life when there are people that volunteer to do it. Now if we didnt have enough people then thats a different story.
The military is for the purpose of defending the nation or protecting and defending the nations intrests. Everyone in the military is expendable and they should know this. Not to say their life isnt worth anything but death is part of the job. If Bush came out and said the war is for oil, I would still support the war because people in the our country for some reason really like their SUVs and to keep our oil supplies healthy and so we dont get gouged at the pump…I am all for getting some oil.
SO far there have been 1100 or so deaths in Iraq, that is extreamly low and we should be pleased that the numbers are in our favor so far. Please dont confuse me by saying that the deaths are acceptable its just the low number is good for the time spent in a hostile country that is using gorilla tactics.
In short if your not in the armed forces, what you can do to help the war and not hinder it is make the troops feel like they have the support of the people. If ya see one in a bar by him a drink tell them you appreciate them dont sit there and bitch about how useless the war is because …yada yada yada…remember he may have had friends that died over there and no matter how bs you believe the war is our troops dont need to hear it right now.
You want to help, have your son and daughter pick up a peice of paper and write a thank you letter to the troops (talk to your postmaster they will tell you where to send the letters) let them know they do have the support of the people ( and if your really nice put in some AA batteries and some nudies mags and they will really feel good about the package :)). Not like most of these asshole protesters who say they are behind our troops to be politically correct.
My two cents…the thoughts are juggled and the grammer sucks but I am sure most of you will get my drift.
Magma
[quote]dvldog wrote:
KILL 'EM ALL LET ALLAH SORT 'EM OUT[/quote]
Touche Devildog touche
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First, you have to believe that all these guys with all their egos could get together and subordinate themselves to the general idea or cause. Given how we see political parties operate, I would question this assumption.
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By that rationale, Guderian, Rommel, Speer, Hess, Himmler, Goering, Seyss-Inquart, Rosenberg, Heydrich, and Kaltenbrunner must have been some really humble guys. Or did they just never subordinate themselves to the cause?
Todd
No, I have never been to an Air Force hospital in Afghanistan. Have you, Jeff?
I have, however, been to several bases to include Army, Air Force, and Marines in Iraq. I feel that I have a pretty good handle on the day to day struggles.
PtrDr’s service is fine and essential. I have no problem with his service whatsoever. Nor do I have a problem with the service of Air Force doctors as a whole. I have a problem with people using their positions in the military to call others wussies. The military is not a platform from which one American should try to claim superiority over another. Given that PtrDr is an Air Force doctor (not to be confused with a medic), he probably will spend most or all of his days within the relatively safe confines of a US controlled base. That makes his exhortation all the more assinine. Statements like that (to include Lumpy’s original statement to start this thread) are neither warranted, wanted, nor helpful.
I applaud all who choose to join in the military regardless of capacity. I also applaud those who choose to follow another path.
The idea that one of my opinions would invalidate anything I have to say is purely illogical and ridiculous, but Jeff’s posts rarely flow from logic or sense.
Todd