Side Effects Between Cycles???

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Hey guys, I am posting a question for a non-member here. He has done 3 cycles usually consisting of Test, Tren, and Dbol. He states that he is experiencing extreme lethargy, can’t sleep enough, loss of appetite etc… He finished his last cycle around 3-4 months ago, and PCT was as he puts it “not perfect”. But did use Nolva fpr PCT and Adex while on cycle.
Any ideas on what he could use to wake the fu*k up? He’s like a bag of bones at the gym, and his strength seems to be plummeting too.

Any help is greatly appreciated!!

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Sounds like his test levels did not bounce back correctly.

Ideally…blood work. Looking for tanked test levels, and elevated estrogen or prolactin or both.

If thats not really an option because of insurance and all that…

I see a couple of things he could try.

I see tren, but no mention of caber.

Id guess hse still heavily suppressed from prolactin problems, hence test levels are not bouncing back.

I say put him back on adex at a low dose, hopefully he has some left over from the cycle. This should atleast help control estrogen if that is whats causing the suppression, and if nothing else, the AI will give him a boost in test levels so that he can atleast function a little better.

And get caber or any dopamine agonist asap.

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[quote]Westclock wrote:
Sounds like his test levels did not bounce back correctly.

Ideally…blood work. Looking for tanked test levels, and elevated estrogen or prolactin or both.

If thats not really an option because of insurance and all that…

I see a couple of things he could try.

I see tren, but no mention of caber.

Id guess hse still heavily suppressed from prolactin problems, hence test levels are not bouncing back.

I say put him back on adex at a low dose, hopefully he has some left over from the cycle. This should atleast help control estrogen if that is whats causing the suppression, and if nothing else, the AI will give him a boost in test levels so that he can atleast function a little better.

And get caber or any dopamine agonist asap.
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Hey thanks bro… Got him on Adex today and said he actually felt much better.
Should I treat this as starting his PCT now? I also posted this with a similar title in the steroids forum because the server timed out. And as you can see there my friend started using Tbol for 42 days and used androgel intermittenly DURING Pct!! So I thinks you are right about test levels never bouncing back… So should we now start a REAL PCT?

Thanks

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well, TBol and androgel will certainly fuck up your PCT

He should really get blood work done to see what exactly his issues are (prolactin, estrogen, total test, free test…unless he knows where they are at it is sort of hard to figure out what he needs to do to fix them).

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[quote]Randizo wrote:

[quote]Westclock wrote:
Sounds like his test levels did not bounce back correctly.

Ideally…blood work. Looking for tanked test levels, and elevated estrogen or prolactin or both.

If thats not really an option because of insurance and all that…

I see a couple of things he could try.

I see tren, but no mention of caber.

Id guess hse still heavily suppressed from prolactin problems, hence test levels are not bouncing back.

I say put him back on adex at a low dose, hopefully he has some left over from the cycle. This should atleast help control estrogen if that is whats causing the suppression, and if nothing else, the AI will give him a boost in test levels so that he can atleast function a little better.

And get caber or any dopamine agonist asap.
[/quote]

Hey thanks bro… Got him on Adex today and said he actually felt much better.
Should I treat this as starting his PCT now? I also posted this with a similar title in the steroids forum because the server timed out. And as you can see there my friend started using Tbol for 42 days and used androgel intermittenly DURING Pct!! So I thinks you are right about test levels never bouncing back… So should we now start a REAL PCT?

Thanks[/quote]

Yes, if he feels alot better on just adex he should do a real PCT, continue the adex during the PCT, I realize the SERM interferes with the AI and all that jazz, but it does still help to boost test levels.

He could still be having prolactin issues and simply lowering the estrogen is eliminating part of the problem, try a proper PCT and then run the AI for a week or two past the end of the PCT, taper off and if hes not 100%, he will likely need dopamine agonists.

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I know there is a problem with running letro and nolva at the same time, but never heard of any problems with arimidex and clomid.
Clomid:50/50/50/50
A-dex:.50 EOD for 2 weeks then .25 EOD for the last 2 weeks, might want to tape lower than that or continue clomid at 25 for an extra week to prevent rebound.
IMO… Those 2 compounds shouldnt interfere with each other if I remember correctly.