[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I read it in 1984 
it was ok and I can see some things that are comparable , but I do not think it a bible of sorts
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Oh I’m sorry. How dare I get social commentary from someone other than Rachel Maddow, “UpWorthy”, or some random pot head scream unrehearsed lines into a camera on youtube…
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I read it in 1984 it was ok and I can see some things that are comparable , but I do not think it a bible of sorts
[/quote]
Oh I’m sorry. How dare I get social commentary from someone other than Rachel Maddow, “UpWorthy”, or some random pot head scream unrehearsed lines into a camera on youtube…
[/quote]
Fox news?
[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I read it in 1984 it was ok and I can see some things that are comparable , but I do not think it a bible of sorts
[/quote]
Oh I’m sorry. How dare I get social commentary from someone other than Rachel Maddow, “UpWorthy”, or some random pot head scream unrehearsed lines into a camera on youtube…
[/quote]
Fox news?[/quote]
CB is a CNN guy.
[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I read it in 1984 it was ok and I can see some things that are comparable , but I do not think it a bible of sorts
[/quote]
Oh I’m sorry. How dare I get social commentary from someone other than Rachel Maddow, “UpWorthy”, or some random pot head scream unrehearsed lines into a camera on youtube…
[/quote]
Fox news?[/quote]
More assumptive conjecture based on generalizations of individuals from the “oh so tolerant one”.
Had you read the thread you’d actually know to which particular social commentary I was referring.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I read it in 1984 it was ok and I can see some things that are comparable , but I do not think it a bible of sorts
[/quote]
Oh I’m sorry. How dare I get social commentary from someone other than Rachel Maddow, “UpWorthy”, or some random pot head scream unrehearsed lines into a camera on youtube…
[/quote]
Fox news?[/quote]
CB is a CNN guy.
[/quote]
Neither actually. I will read their pieces if linked, but don’t go to either source intentionally.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I read it in 1984 it was ok and I can see some things that are comparable , but I do not think it a bible of sorts
[/quote]
Oh I’m sorry. How dare I get social commentary from someone other than Rachel Maddow, “UpWorthy”, or some random pot head scream unrehearsed lines into a camera on youtube…
[/quote]
Fox news?[/quote]
CB is a CNN guy.
[/quote]
Neither actually. I will read their pieces if linked, but don’t go to either source intentionally. [/quote]
I know you get your news from a lot of sources. Do you stay away from the Main TV News Stations?
Speaking of Sickening Republicans. Please go to this link and tell the Republicans on the list to either put up or shut up about Obamacare. Make your vote back up what you are saying.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Do you stay away from the Main TV News Stations?
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Oh god yes. The only news I consume that isn’t print/type/internet is local broadcast, and the occasional youtube to something outrageous or important.
The TV talking heads are 90% opinion and shilling advertising, morally corrupt, lap dog scumbags with no intention of allowing the viewer to draw their own conclusion, let alone focus on conveying any sort of consistent truth that doesn’t further their own agenda. This very much includes the faux news on Comedy Central as well. Just because they lick liberal taint doesn’t mean they have sold their souls long ago as well.
In print it is much easier to catch this going on.
If I have the TV on in my house, it is either kids shows, what my wife is watching, or a movie, and I’m generally reading or playing a game if my daughter isn’t up…
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Do you stay away from the Main TV News Stations?
[/quote]
Oh god yes. The only news I consume that isn’t print/type/internet is local broadcast, and the occasional youtube to something outrageous or important.
The TV talking heads are 90% opinion and shilling advertising, morally corrupt, lap dog scumbags with no intention of allowing the viewer to draw their own conclusion, let alone focus on conveying any sort of consistent truth that doesn’t further their own agenda. This very much includes the faux news on Comedy Central as well. Just because they lick liberal taint doesn’t mean they have sold their souls long ago as well.
In print it is much easier to catch this going on.
If I have the TV on in my house, it is either kids shows, what my wife is watching, or a movie, and I’m generally reading or playing a game if my daughter isn’t up…[/quote]
I found a really good internet site you can add to the list. My friend Zep turned me onto it…
hahahahahahahahaha
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
We agree , the Republicans fuck up everything. Especially the middle class[/quote]
[quote]Bauber wrote:
Republicans champion the top 1% and all the rich stock market guys who are fucking the middle class and the democrats champion the bottom 50% [/quote]
[quote]Severiano wrote:
But, when I look at who the repubs overtly represent (the top 1%) [/quote]
You guys may want to rethink buying into the false narrative you’ve been fed. The king of the Democrats… Fucking the little guy and giving the big guys handouts.
Maybe, just maybe, the little letter next to the name will mean they really care about you next time around…
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
We agree , the Republicans fuck up everything. Especially the middle class[/quote]
[quote]Bauber wrote:
Republicans champion the top 1% and all the rich stock market guys who are fucking the middle class and the democrats champion the bottom 50% [/quote]
[quote]Severiano wrote:
But, when I look at who the repubs overtly represent (the top 1%) [/quote]
You guys may want to rethink buying into the false narrative you’ve been fed. The king of the Democrats… Fucking the little guy and giving the big guys handouts.
Maybe, just maybe, the little letter next to the name will mean they really care about you next time around…[/quote]
Both only care about money, power, and control. Nothing new here. They are bought and paid for on both sides.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Severiano wrote:
There were 4 classes, you forgot unpersons. Inner party, outer party, proles are what you are talking about, right Beans? You want to talk about this? I’m also your huckleberry.
[/quote]
I was thinking of the point where he talks about the upper, middle and lower classes. How the upper and middle essentially just continuously switch places, and use the lower classes for their ends, and the lower classes pretty much always stay the lower classes. [/quote]
The more important allegorical lesson comes from unpersons, or the endeavor to do such a thing, what it implies as far as achieving such an end mechanically and emotionally. Since this part missed you, I’ll break it down because it’s one of the most important things I took away from that book Beans.
Think about what it would take to make a person, an unperson. The book describes it as vaporizing the person, and all record of their existence, every photograph, every paper, even every memory, erased from existence.
Many implications and lessons, can be taken from this alone?
This endeavor alone is good enough to explain how such a society could come about. It comes from the endeavor to control, not the endeavor to liberate. You control people with propaganda and fear. East Germany taken to it’s end is the way I imagine it. Eventually religion and ethics are replaced by party needs, and then you have your own little piece of 1984.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
We agree , the Republicans fuck up everything. Especially the middle class[/quote]
[quote]Bauber wrote:
Republicans champion the top 1% and all the rich stock market guys who are fucking the middle class and the democrats champion the bottom 50% [/quote]
[quote]Severiano wrote:
But, when I look at who the repubs overtly represent (the top 1%) [/quote]
You guys may want to rethink buying into the false narrative you’ve been fed. The king of the Democrats… Fucking the little guy and giving the big guys handouts.
Maybe, just maybe, the little letter next to the name will mean they really care about you next time around…[/quote]
You missed my point about dems vs. repubs.
Lets get right to it, I’m talking about the last election, Romney vs. Obama.
Lets just accept that both guys were in the pockets of particular corporations, as they are shitbag politicians who must appease corporate interests or be replaced by a politician who better represents their ideals. Okay? I think we see eye to eye here…
If this is true, then why Romney? The guy had zero appeal due to zero ability to remotely relate to the majority of people in the country. He appealed on the platform of, The American business man who’s a fixer of all things.
How was Obama painted? Remember? Obama was made to look like a Kenyan, a Muslim, a man who got into Harvard based on his race, and because of such he got some gimme’s at Harvard which reflected in his grades. Really, he wasn’t all that smart, and it was time for Romney to replace the Kenyan, Mooooslem, EOP bad grade getting boy from office… That’s how it came across to me…
How the hell am I supposed to vote for a guy like Romney if the way he paints Obama is the same way he might paint me? I didn’t use any EOP programing at the University, but I would have if I needed it, and plenty of the people who used EOP were my peers, heck I wish I would have used it now. I saw Arnold get elected by Repubs here in Cali, I guess it’s okay if you’re born Austrian, maybe it’s because he was white? But if your dad was Kenyan?
And the other thing that pisses me off about Repubs is they don’t go out of their way to correct their peers or their party, or they got away from it since McCain used to do it. For Romney, if a third party came out and attacked Obama’s nationality or religion, he didn’t step in and correct anyone, he just let them have their say and distanced himself from it so he could reap the benefits. That’s a man who either wont stand up for what is right, or doesn’t know the difference between right and wrong.
Something as sensitive as this hit close to home for me, and then him being a religious man. Seeing all the people on these very forums, so adamantly Catholic, some of them even acknowledged that Romney is a heretic, but that didn’t stop them from voting for him on financial grounds…
What that showed me was that a lot of Christian Conservatives are bullshitters. Either money trumps ethics= you shouldn’t even be a Christian. Or, just so damned evil and flawed you have a long way to go.
[quote]Severiano wrote:
Since this part missed you, [/quote]
How arrogant does one have to be to assume that by me mentioning a completely different aspect of a book, this particular aspect “missed me”?
[quote]Severiano wrote:
And the other thing that pisses me off about Repubs is they don’t go out of their way to correct their peers or their party, [/quote]
lol, just lol.
Neither do Democrats. Bill “I raped a few interns” Clinton for example.
Neither do CEO’s
Neither do Lawyers
Neither do Stock boys
paper boys
whites
blacks
latinos
The French
or
any religious people
Stop expecting someone with an “R” next to their name to be above what NO ONE ELSE is above.
[quote]Severiano wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
We agree , the Republicans fuck up everything. Especially the middle class[/quote]
[quote]Bauber wrote:
Republicans champion the top 1% and all the rich stock market guys who are fucking the middle class and the democrats champion the bottom 50% [/quote]
[quote]Severiano wrote:
But, when I look at who the repubs overtly represent (the top 1%) [/quote]
You guys may want to rethink buying into the false narrative you’ve been fed. The king of the Democrats… Fucking the little guy and giving the big guys handouts.
Maybe, just maybe, the little letter next to the name will mean they really care about you next time around…[/quote]
You missed my point about dems vs. repubs.
Lets get right to it, I’m talking about the last election, Romney vs. Obama.
Lets just accept that both guys were in the pockets of particular corporations, as they are shitbag politicians who must appease corporate interests or be replaced by a politician who better represents their ideals. Okay? I think we see eye to eye here…
If this is true, then why Romney? The guy had zero appeal due to zero ability to remotely relate to the majority of people in the country. He appealed on the platform of, The American business man who’s a fixer of all things.
How was Obama painted? Remember? Obama was made to look like a Kenyan, a Muslim, a man who got into Harvard based on his race, and because of such he got some gimme’s at Harvard which reflected in his grades. Really, he wasn’t all that smart, and it was time for Romney to replace the Kenyan, Mooooslem, EOP bad grade getting boy from office… That’s how it came across to me…
How the hell am I supposed to vote for a guy like Romney if the way he paints Obama is the same way he might paint me? I didn’t use any EOP programing at the University, but I would have if I needed it, and plenty of the people who used EOP were my peers, heck I wish I would have used it now. I saw Arnold get elected by Repubs here in Cali, I guess it’s okay if you’re born Austrian, maybe it’s because he was white? But if your dad was Kenyan?
And the other thing that pisses me off about Repubs is they don’t go out of their way to correct their peers or their party, or they got away from it since McCain used to do it. For Romney, if a third party came out and attacked Obama’s nationality or religion, he didn’t step in and correct anyone, he just let them have their say and distanced himself from it so he could reap the benefits. That’s a man who either wont stand up for what is right, or doesn’t know the difference between right and wrong.
Something as sensitive as this hit close to home for me, and then him being a religious man. Seeing all the people on these very forums, so adamantly Catholic, some of them even acknowledged that Romney is a heretic, but that didn’t stop them from voting for him on financial grounds…
What that showed me was that a lot of Christian Conservatives are bullshitters. Either money trumps ethics= you shouldn’t even be a Christian. Or, just so damned evil and flawed you have a long way to go. [/quote]
Who in their right mind thought Obama was a Kenyon born Muslim? Did Romeny say this or was it implied somewhere I missed?
Is Nacy Pelosi a heritic? Is Obama? They both claim to be Catholic.
Serious question, what did Obama do to earn your vote in 2012?
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Severiano wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
We agree , the Republicans fuck up everything. Especially the middle class[/quote]
[quote]Bauber wrote:
Republicans champion the top 1% and all the rich stock market guys who are fucking the middle class and the democrats champion the bottom 50% [/quote]
[quote]Severiano wrote:
But, when I look at who the repubs overtly represent (the top 1%) [/quote]
You guys may want to rethink buying into the false narrative you’ve been fed. The king of the Democrats… Fucking the little guy and giving the big guys handouts.
Maybe, just maybe, the little letter next to the name will mean they really care about you next time around…[/quote]
You missed my point about dems vs. repubs.
Lets get right to it, I’m talking about the last election, Romney vs. Obama.
Lets just accept that both guys were in the pockets of particular corporations, as they are shitbag politicians who must appease corporate interests or be replaced by a politician who better represents their ideals. Okay? I think we see eye to eye here…
If this is true, then why Romney? The guy had zero appeal due to zero ability to remotely relate to the majority of people in the country. He appealed on the platform of, The American business man who’s a fixer of all things.
How was Obama painted? Remember? Obama was made to look like a Kenyan, a Muslim, a man who got into Harvard based on his race, and because of such he got some gimme’s at Harvard which reflected in his grades. Really, he wasn’t all that smart, and it was time for Romney to replace the Kenyan, Mooooslem, EOP bad grade getting boy from office… That’s how it came across to me…
How the hell am I supposed to vote for a guy like Romney if the way he paints Obama is the same way he might paint me? I didn’t use any EOP programing at the University, but I would have if I needed it, and plenty of the people who used EOP were my peers, heck I wish I would have used it now. I saw Arnold get elected by Repubs here in Cali, I guess it’s okay if you’re born Austrian, maybe it’s because he was white? But if your dad was Kenyan?
And the other thing that pisses me off about Repubs is they don’t go out of their way to correct their peers or their party, or they got away from it since McCain used to do it. For Romney, if a third party came out and attacked Obama’s nationality or religion, he didn’t step in and correct anyone, he just let them have their say and distanced himself from it so he could reap the benefits. That’s a man who either wont stand up for what is right, or doesn’t know the difference between right and wrong.
Something as sensitive as this hit close to home for me, and then him being a religious man. Seeing all the people on these very forums, so adamantly Catholic, some of them even acknowledged that Romney is a heretic, but that didn’t stop them from voting for him on financial grounds…
What that showed me was that a lot of Christian Conservatives are bullshitters. Either money trumps ethics= you shouldn’t even be a Christian. Or, just so damned evil and flawed you have a long way to go. [/quote]
Serious question, what did Obama do to earn your vote in 2012?
[/quote]
Immigration reform (amnesty)
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Serious question, what did Obama do to earn your vote in 2012?
[/quote]
Immigration reform (amnesty) [/quote]
I can see that being a good reason.
What are your thoughts now? What are thoughts on the current immigration talks?
I think there were good reasons, which is why I asked.
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
We agree , the Republicans fuck up everything. Especially the middle class[/quote]
[quote]Bauber wrote:
Republicans champion the top 1% and all the rich stock market guys who are fucking the middle class and the democrats champion the bottom 50% [/quote]
[quote]Severiano wrote:
But, when I look at who the repubs overtly represent (the top 1%) [/quote]
You guys may want to rethink buying into the false narrative you’ve been fed. The king of the Democrats… Fucking the little guy and giving the big guys handouts.
Maybe, just maybe, the little letter next to the name will mean they really care about you next time around…[/quote]
Both only care about money, power, and control. Nothing new here. They are bought and paid for on both sides.[/quote]
Not all of them. Ted Cruz, Rand Paul are two that come to mind.