[quote]pushharder wrote:
You might catch me arguing that polygamy is not harmful.[/quote]
Shit, in today’s world it might be beneficial.
Say a mother wanted to stay home with her kids until they were school age… What better than to have two husbands at work? Still a two income household and you get the added benefit of having a stay at home parent.
Like SMH mentioned, time period matters. Polygamy in 1786 is different than polygamy in 2015 America.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
If I were black and had lived through the civil rights struggle I’d be livid that the gay crowd and their supporters were pulling this stunt.[/quote]
I’m not black or gay, but when people were comparing michael sam to Jackie Robinson it made my blood boil.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
You might catch me arguing that polygamy is not harmful.[/quote]
Shit, in today’s world it might be beneficial.
Say a mother wanted to stay home with her kids until they were school age… What better than to have two husbands at work? Still a two income household and you get the added benefit of having a stay at home parent.
Like SMH mentioned, time period matters. Polygamy in 1786 is different than polygamy in 2015 America. [/quote]
Serious question, what are the downsides to polygamy in America today? I’ve looked this up before and found an answer but I don’t think it would be relevant in our society.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
You might catch me arguing that polygamy is not harmful.[/quote]
Shit, in today’s world it might be beneficial.
Say a mother wanted to stay home with her kids until they were school age… What better than to have two husbands at work? Still a two income household and you get the added benefit of having a stay at home parent.
Like SMH mentioned, time period matters. Polygamy in 1786 is different than polygamy in 2015 America. [/quote]
Serious question, what are the downsides to polygamy in America today? I’ve looked this up before and found an answer but I don’t think it would be relevant in our society.[/quote]
Well, I currently am married and have a 3 year old daughter. Inviting another woman into my life would be a disaster as I can barely keep up with the two I have now.
I still dont’ understand how anyone can have a “girl friend” on the side. That just sounds like twice the head aches, and twice the feelings I don’t want to talk about.
I assume the struggle is similar for women…
If polygamy were legal, what would stop people from having multiple spouses covered under 1 insurance policy?
Could i start getting a dowry for each of my Russian brides, in exchange for their citizenship?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
You might catch me arguing that polygamy is not harmful.[/quote]
Shit, in today’s world it might be beneficial.
Say a mother wanted to stay home with her kids until they were school age… What better than to have two husbands at work? Still a two income household and you get the added benefit of having a stay at home parent.
Like SMH mentioned, time period matters. Polygamy in 1786 is different than polygamy in 2015 America. [/quote]
Serious question, what are the downsides to polygamy in America today? I’ve looked this up before and found an answer but I don’t think it would be relevant in our society.[/quote]
Well, I currently am married and have a 3 year old daughter. Inviting another woman into my life would be a disaster as I can barely keep up with the two I have now.
I still dont’ understand how anyone can have a “girl friend” on the side. That just sounds like twice the head aches, and twice the feelings I don’t want to talk about.
I assume the struggle is similar for women… [/quote]
I meant downsides for society. Obviously if having 2 women personally seems like too much work you don’t have to marry a 2nd even if it was legal, so the upside/downside here is just a personal circumstances.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
You might catch me arguing that polygamy is not harmful.[/quote]
Shit, in today’s world it might be beneficial.
Say a mother wanted to stay home with her kids until they were school age… What better than to have two husbands at work? Still a two income household and you get the added benefit of having a stay at home parent.
Like SMH mentioned, time period matters. Polygamy in 1786 is different than polygamy in 2015 America. [/quote]
Serious question, what are the downsides to polygamy in America today? I’ve looked this up before and found an answer but I don’t think it would be relevant in our society.[/quote]
The use of polygamy has been used in the past to turn underage girls into sex slaves. As to the downside in modern times, divorces, property, and custody arrangements would become extraordinarily complicated and expensive to deal with. But, as long as the arrangement is actually consensual and between adults, other than expense and unnecessary legal complications, my list of horribles starts to dwindle quickly.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
You might catch me arguing that polygamy is not harmful.[/quote]
Shit, in today’s world it might be beneficial.
Say a mother wanted to stay home with her kids until they were school age… What better than to have two husbands at work? Still a two income household and you get the added benefit of having a stay at home parent.
Like SMH mentioned, time period matters. Polygamy in 1786 is different than polygamy in 2015 America. [/quote]
Serious question, what are the downsides to polygamy in America today? I’ve looked this up before and found an answer but I don’t think it would be relevant in our society.[/quote]
The use of polygamy has been used in the past to turn underage girls into sex slaves. As to the downside in modern times, divorces, property, and custody arrangements would become extraordinarily complicated and expensive to deal with. But, as long as the arrangement is actually consensual and between adults, other than expense and unnecessary legal complications, my list of horribles starts to dwindle quickly.[/quote]
There is a difference between gay and polygamous marriage though in that history is plumb full of polygamous marriage. Examples of the good and the bad are open for inspection. Obviously, that is not the case for gay marriage; again, it’s all about the feelings and emotions that “everything is going to be just fine…don’t be fearful.”
The main problem I see with polygamy is where will the line be drawn in terms of numbers of spouses? Three? Six? A dozen? A dozen dozen?
No matter what, the bullshit line, “All that matters is the love one has for another(s)” could and will be applied and the entire institution will become one big mess. Overnight? Of course not. Over time? Guaranteed. Eventually marriage will mean essentially nothing as compared to what it has meant over the centuries. Many are comfortable with that and don’t give a shit. Others aren’t.
And like I’ve said, government will have to get more intrusive, not less, as the short term tolerant-only-of-those-with-whom-I-agree crowd would like to think.
Jack, as a lawyer, you KNOW the legal conundrums will only grow and you alluded to some already. More legal bullshit = more government = less liberty.[/quote]
I don’t agree with everything you wrote but I don’t disagree strongly anything your wrote either. I would note that with gay marriage the new legal model slides, for the most part, seamlessly into the current legal model. Multiple spouses, not so much. I would oppose polygamy unless and until someone could show me a legal framework that might prove workable. I can’t even picture such a framework right now. So on that basis alone, I think the state is justified in denying polygamy.
[quote]pushharder wrote
The main problem I see with polygamy is where will the line be drawn in terms of numbers of spouses? Three? Six? A dozen? A dozen dozen?[/quote]
A good point. I think Jack’s practical legal point is a good one as well. My real question is this: What is the main problem you see with gay marriage? It can’t be only the slippery slope to polygamy, because we have polygamy-specific criticisms that, because they don’t apply to gay marriage, logically separate the two.
And it can’t be this…
[quote]
There is a difference between gay and polygamous marriage though in that history is plumb full of polygamous marriage.[/quote]
…because this entails neither good nor bad: I have broken my fair share of bones, and I have never had a sexual encounter with seven women at one time. This would not compel me to choose a broken femur over a MFFFFFFF eightsome. The point being simply that some specific argument has to be made regarding gay marriage itself as an institution directly harmful to the public good.