[quote]nephorm wrote:
I believe The Mage was using reductio ad absurdum in order to show the uselessness of Lifticus’ argument, not to give it legitimacy.[/quote]
Yup.
[quote]The Mage wrote:
I once read about companies that would import “stuff”, not pay the import tax, let the “stuff” get confiscated, and simply buy it back at the government auction.
Why? Because it was cheaper to do that then pay the import tax.[/quote]
Smart. Think of money you could make on chinese steel pipe. Something like 2000% tarrif. Geez would I hate to paying 2000% less on steel pipe.
[quote]The Mage wrote:
nephorm wrote:
I believe The Mage was using reductio ad absurdum in order to show the uselessness of Lifticus’ argument, not to give it legitimacy.
Yup.[/quote]
I understand that…still doesn’t mean that it’s absurdum in itself to bring that up in a thread about taking drug dealers money.
“There is no drug”
“There is no spoon”
[quote]The Mage wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
No you didn’t extend anthing useful at all. I don’t think you really understand because you use money as an example. This is obviously incorrect because it had to exist as a real commodity before it could be used as an exchange medium. The concept of money may be abstract but it is a very real thing.
Don’t you have D&D tourney to get to?
If you truly understand science, you must understand that everything is a theory. Even the most proved scientific theory is still just a theory.
We do not actually deal with reality, but our interpretation of it through our senses.
As a result can never truely know reality, we will always be stuck in the “abstract”.
“Cogito Ergo Sum” is the only thing we can truly prove. (Had to put that one in for another post.)[/quote]
Well then why bother trying to observe the natural world? There is more than just theory to science or else it is pointless. Man can, in fact, gain knowledge using his senses. How it is defined using language, etc. is irrelevant. I can put my hands on an apple an describe certain phenomena related to it in any language, using any system of measurement, etc. it does not change those definite properties of what is observed of how my colleagues and I decide classify it or other things related to it, for example.
There is other knowledge, however, that falls outside the realm of observation and that is what I am speaking about. Countries are not observable. We can associate certain features to them and describe them in various sorts of ways but we can never actually touch them because they do not exist. Mathematics is also full of such concepts. Some of these concepts are useful and others are not. You make a strawman argument by making such sweeping generalizations about what I actually said.
As long and people continue to agree that certain countries exist then they will continue to exist; likewise with state and counties and cities eventually into neighborhoods and finally down to a mans personal property – after all, his home is his castle and he is king of that domain.
Are citizens of Smithsylvania living across the street subject to the same natural laws as those of us living in Jonestown.
[quote]Electric_E wrote:
pat wrote:
Electric_E wrote:
Are there any countries that do similar?
Cheers
Saudi Arabia.
Can you prove that everything you own is legally obtained? It does not matter if it is, can you prove it?
Fuck me you daft cunts only read what you want to read and not what is written in front of you.
This would not be applicable to every single person having to prove legitimate ownership of every possession.
I work and pay taxes I have a legitimate income I would not be a target and i would not need to prove I bought everything i own.
This would apply to known criminals that are ‘untouchable’ by normal methods, that have wealth way beyond reasonable explanation.
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All the authorities would need to do is ACCUSE you of illegal dealings, even without proof. Please reference your original post.
[quote]D_S wrote:
Electric_E wrote:
pat wrote:
Electric_E wrote:
Are there any countries that do similar?
Cheers
Saudi Arabia.
Can you prove that everything you own is legally obtained? It does not matter if it is, can you prove it?
Fuck me you daft cunts only read what you want to read and not what is written in front of you.
This would not be applicable to every single person having to prove legitimate ownership of every possession.
I work and pay taxes I have a legitimate income I would not be a target and i would not need to prove I bought everything i own.
This would apply to known criminals that are ‘untouchable’ by normal methods, that have wealth way beyond reasonable explanation.
All the authorities would need to do is ACCUSE you of illegal dealings, even without proof. Please reference your original post.
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Yes but I can prove that my possesions are reasonable for the income I earn.
…exactly. Over here they specifically target criminals who drive around in expensive cars but are, according to counsil records, unemployed and/or even on welfare. Before the justice department and the IRS started cooperating there was little the police could do about them, but now they can hit them where it hurts; in their wallets. To illustrate for those who have a problem with this: if you have no income but own a 70,000 dollar car you’re eligible…
I think the least they could do is stop them receiving benifits (social seq.)
These guys do not have to work becuase their ill gotten gains makes them enough money but they claim extra pocket money from the goverment because they are ‘unemployed’
Thats the thinf that really grates me is that they get my hard earned tax dollars as a bit of extra cash, when they don’t even need it FFS.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
…
Are citizens of Smithsylvania living across the street subject to the same natural laws as those of us living in Jonestown.[/quote]
Are there any left in Jonestown or did the Kool _aid get them all?
[quote]Electric_E wrote:
D_S wrote:
Electric_E wrote:
pat wrote:
Electric_E wrote:
Are there any countries that do similar?
Cheers
Saudi Arabia.
Can you prove that everything you own is legally obtained? It does not matter if it is, can you prove it?
Fuck me you daft cunts only read what you want to read and not what is written in front of you.
This would not be applicable to every single person having to prove legitimate ownership of every possession.
I work and pay taxes I have a legitimate income I would not be a target and i would not need to prove I bought everything i own.
This would apply to known criminals that are ‘untouchable’ by normal methods, that have wealth way beyond reasonable explanation.
All the authorities would need to do is ACCUSE you of illegal dealings, even without proof. Please reference your original post.
Yes but I can prove that my possesions are reasonable for the income I earn.
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Good for you. About the only cunt in this thread is you.
Let’s give the government even more power. What a great fucking idea. In fact - let’s go one better and allow the fucking government to just accuse a private citizen of being a criminal and send his ass to jail on top of taking all his shit.
Can you really be this fucking stupid? Why yes - yes you can, and you have proven it with just about everything you have said.
I think the RICO laws should be repealed to the extent that they can only seize property AFTER a conviction. The accused has a right to a competent legal defense. How in the hell can you pay a lawyer when the fucking Fed has stolen all your shit? I know if my ass is on the line, I would certainly want something more competent than a court appointed attorney.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Electric_E wrote:
D_S wrote:
Electric_E wrote:
pat wrote:
Electric_E wrote:
Are there any countries that do similar?
Cheers
Saudi Arabia.
Can you prove that everything you own is legally obtained? It does not matter if it is, can you prove it?
Fuck me you daft cunts only read what you want to read and not what is written in front of you.
This would not be applicable to every single person having to prove legitimate ownership of every possession.
I work and pay taxes I have a legitimate income I would not be a target and i would not need to prove I bought everything i own.
This would apply to known criminals that are ‘untouchable’ by normal methods, that have wealth way beyond reasonable explanation.
All the authorities would need to do is ACCUSE you of illegal dealings, even without proof. Please reference your original post.
Yes but I can prove that my possesions are reasonable for the income I earn.
Good for you. About the only cunt in this thread is you.
Let’s give the government even more power. What a great fucking idea. In fact - let’s go one better and allow the fucking government to just accuse a private citizen of being a criminal and send his ass to jail on top of taking all his shit.
Can you really be this fucking stupid? Why yes - yes you can, and you have proven it with just about everything you have said.
I think the RICO laws should be repealed to the extent that they can only seize property AFTER a conviction. The accused has a right to a competent legal defense. How in the hell can you pay a lawyer when the fucking Fed has stolen all your shit? I know if my ass is on the line, I would certainly want something more competent than a court appointed attorney.
[/quote]
Well I was the only cunt RJ, but now you have shown up, damn now I’m not even the biggest cunt anymore 
[quote]Electric_E wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Electric_E wrote:
D_S wrote:
Electric_E wrote:
pat wrote:
Electric_E wrote:
Are there any countries that do similar?
Cheers
Saudi Arabia.
Can you prove that everything you own is legally obtained? It does not matter if it is, can you prove it?
Fuck me you daft cunts only read what you want to read and not what is written in front of you.
This would not be applicable to every single person having to prove legitimate ownership of every possession.
I work and pay taxes I have a legitimate income I would not be a target and i would not need to prove I bought everything i own.
This would apply to known criminals that are ‘untouchable’ by normal methods, that have wealth way beyond reasonable explanation.
All the authorities would need to do is ACCUSE you of illegal dealings, even without proof. Please reference your original post.
Yes but I can prove that my possesions are reasonable for the income I earn.
Good for you. About the only cunt in this thread is you.
Let’s give the government even more power. What a great fucking idea. In fact - let’s go one better and allow the fucking government to just accuse a private citizen of being a criminal and send his ass to jail on top of taking all his shit.
Can you really be this fucking stupid? Why yes - yes you can, and you have proven it with just about everything you have said.
I think the RICO laws should be repealed to the extent that they can only seize property AFTER a conviction. The accused has a right to a competent legal defense. How in the hell can you pay a lawyer when the fucking Fed has stolen all your shit? I know if my ass is on the line, I would certainly want something more competent than a court appointed attorney.
Well I was the only cunt RJ, but now you have shown up, damn now I’m not even the biggest cunt anymore
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At least I’m not the stupidest cunt. You win that going away.
But what would possess a person to think it was a good idea to give the state more power, and subjective power at that?
It is people like you who have allowed MY country to turn into a steaming shit pile of gutless little pussies. We almost mirror England.
I don’t think I can discuss this with you RJ, you get far too emotional, abusive and aggressive to hold a entertain a decent discussion with.
[quote]Electric_E wrote:
I don’t think I can discuss this with you RJ, you get far too emotional, abusive and aggressive to hold a entertain a decent discussion with.[/quote]
You call us daft cunts, but I get too emotional?
Are you the pot, or the kettle?
I abhor the notion of giving the state any power beyond those explicitly enumerated in the constitution. I hate the idea of raping the “innocent until proven guilty” part of the constitution because that seems like a quick and easy fix to some non-existent infection of criminal activity.
The easiest fix to your situation is to abolish the DEA, legalize drugs, and tax the shit out of them.
The fact that the topic of this thread is supported by you is just icing on the cake.
fuck off you’re boring
[quote]Electric_E wrote:
fuck off you’re boring[/quote]
You are too emotional.
Why don’t you go steal some candy from a child. I am sure you can find some kid who doesn’t have a receipt, or proof of income to purchase said candy.
yawn yawn yawn bye bye cock head
Well why don’t you address the points I brought up? Or is reality too boring for you?
I can’t remeber you asking me anything specific Nate, you were just discussing as far as I am aware, I will not defend or argue this thread becuase I do not feel that passionate about it, I just thought of it and I wondered what others thought that’s all.
[quote]Electric_E wrote:
I can’t remeber you asking me anything specific Nate, you were just discussing as far as I am aware, I will not defend or argue this thread becuase I do not feel that passionate about it, I just thought of it and I wondered what others thought that’s all.[/quote]
You just have you panties in a bunch because I joined in. You can’t stand it when I call bullshit on you, so you fake being bored, yet can’t stop replying to my posts.