Power, sorry not to respond to you at length. Thank you for joining in. It got so busy with the back and forth I had already been involved with. And while you certainly shared some difficult scenarios, I guess I don’t seem them as being similar enough to run with and divert time to. Sorry. I hope you understand.
Eye, sorry for any harshness on my part. As detestable as my stance(es) may or may not be to you, I hope there are no hard feelings. Have fun, folks! You too, Z!
No worries, Sloth. I was getting a bit off topic. Thinking of related tangents.
Do you think there’s a man in America who doesn’t know that paternity can be checked? I’m dubious that such a test needs to be proffered in order for someone (who has concerns in this regard) to be aware of it.
To the contrary, I can’t think of a worse time to offer a paternity test.
That statement is obscene. Literally.
Right back atcha.
Thought you would like it.
Ah–so you’re into trolling. I had given you more credit than that. I’ll bear it in mind going forward.
I’m still waiting for the downside? Is it really just about hurting a new parent’s feelings? There has to be more to this.
Right before they sign something that will put them on a legal document tying them financially to a child? I still just don’t see the downside.
OK then, while you’re asking if they want a paternity test, how about asking also if they want their newborn to be an organ donor if it dies of SIDS? Does a better time exist to ask this question? What’s the downside, right?
There are plenty of better times to ask that question. How about the ped’s office, where a doctor would have the time to sit down and go through that with newmom/newdad? You’re just being argumentative because this seems to just be about risking hurting new mom’s feelings.
Fwiw, I’ve got 2 kids and have dozens of little things running around all the time from people my age in social circles. My wife’s family reproduces like bunnies at young ages. Never heard anyone complain about the question getting asked. Tbh I was surprised you took offense at the policy. Customers having all the tools at their disposal with the only downside being “mom might glare at you” seems like an easy sell.
Not at all trolling. I just know where I am in the Overton window. I didn’t expect to get much of a serious response.
Frankly, I am very skeptical concerning the intimation that you and all the parents you know were asked, as a matter of routine, whether you would like a paternity test performed. (More frankly, that’s a nice way of saying ‘I call BS.’) I’m skeptical because, medically speaking, the question serves no good purpose. Think about it: From a medical perspective, why on earth would any hospital, any Ob/Gyn, ask this? How would it advance the health of the infant or the mother; ie, the pts in this healthcare event? And even if we set medical ethics aside and go with the dubious assumption that it’s offered as a ‘customer service,’ who in their right mind is clamoring for such a service? Who is going to tell their friends ‘I really liked this hospital, because they offered to perform a test to see if my wife is a lying ho.’ From both a medical and business perspective, it’s simply bizarre.
That’s what happens when I post on my phone with my fat fingers.
What if a rapist wears a condom? What’s he trying to accomplish then?
Which is fine, I have no dog in that fight as you seem to have a larger issue with hurting mom’s feeling when it’s not required she be there when you discuss it anyways lol.
In the meantime, my best friend is a firefighter EMT. I put out a text to him to see if he knows anyone he can ask to confirm
Why would they advise a man whose about to claim legal ‘ownership’ over a child that his only avenue to challenge said ownership is a procedure they do in house?
Edit: to this specifically, maybe because knowing the roots of a child puts them into buckets regarding testing???
How presumptuous is this? Not only are you imagining outrage on behalf of an imaginary victim, but the only possible inference to “we offer paternity tests” is “wife is a lying ho?”
I’ll chime back in when my buddy responds, but we’ve dove so deep into snowflake territory I don’t really have an interest in continuing
Like I said, it’s more than that–the test serves no medical purpose concerning the pt(s) involved.
I am really skeptical that any hospital/doctor would routinely offer such a test on the down-low. (Note that doing so would also neutralize the ‘customer service’ argument you set forward.)
Yes, why? They (the hospital/doctor) are not legal advisors to the father. He is not their pt, so they have no medical obligations to him (not that this would be a medical issue anyway). So yeah, why?
I’m not following you here.
If there is another reason for offering the father a paternity test other than ‘Just in case your wife is not disclosing the fact that she had penetrative sex with another man ~9 months ago,’ please point it out to me.
Eh it’s out of my depth, and interest certainly died when we entered this realm, but as a doctor, does family history provide zero value in determining screening a patient?
Would you treat 2 children the same medically, if one had a dad from Virginia and the other was from Kenya? 2 clicks over from Chernobyl? Of Asian descent?
Anyways, definitely moving on from me. I can’t think of a less motivating discussion than imaginary offended feelings.
If you’re married and ask for a paternity test, what’s the point? You’re still going to be responsible for the child financially regardless. If it’s because you have doubts about your wife’s fidelity then the fact you have doubts is the problem. You shouldn’t wait for confirmation before getting a divorce as the marriage is already over.
Is there another kind? No problems with your post, just looking for clarification on this point!
Well, now you’re switching the motivation for paternity testing from one of establishing paternity to gathering health-related info re the infant. But even in that regard, one could check the child’s DNA directly–no need to do it via the parents.
Ask Bill Clinton.
Handskies. H-jays, Heavy Petting. And, from that terrible movie with Josh Hartnett, 40 Days and 40 Nights, feathering … apparently.
I guess I’d consider the above “sexual relations,” but I consider sex to be penis-in-vagina.