Yep. Presentism. Where we impose our current moral values and present-day values as we look back an interpret history. Often condemning all the past behavior that we seems immoral to us in 2016. It’s hard not to do it. I’d like to think that if I were a German Christian woman in 1941 I’d have been hiding my Jewish neighbors in my attic, but I really have no way of knowing that.
I haven’t seen _I’ll Fly Away_I’ll look for that. Thanks, Mufasa.
Really nice to see you! I think you’re right, Chushin but I don’t know what the exact numbers were if there was a poll.
BTW, I’m not trying to draw a direct parallel here between Kooperdink and the 1968 Olympics. Just interesting that it was athletes and the national anthem.
I can’t fully support the BLM narrative, which makes a huge difference to me in how I view it. And as others said, there are people who are being a lot more constructive. Yes, we need to have rule of law that is as unbiased as possible. Yes, some cities have raised money by having police issue lots of tickets for minor stuff and poor people bear the brunt of that kind of thing. It hurts them a lot more. I don’t like racism. I don’t like to see so much militarization of the police. BUT then there’s a lot of points that I find really intellectually dishonest. I won’t treadjack with that here.
That’s true, Pat. Thanks for your comments. Sincerely.
I thought that was called ‘value shaming’…
I actually, currently have a thread dedicated to Police and Race. The thread is meant to be an honest look at the problem. In my OP I placed a couple of links that are about as honest a look as I have ever seen. If you have the time, I think it’s worth checking out.
Of course in the thread itself, it seems difficult to establish some basic contentions and points of agreement, but I kind of expected that to be the case.
Heck, just by that creating that thread, the way I set it up, I have done more for race relations and police than Kaepernick has. I am trying to take an honest look, not shit on an entire country of people, but start an honest conversation. We have to understand what the problem is, before we can address it.
We cannot flail wildly around, like a ‘drive-by shooting’ and hope to hit the target.
This country means everything in the world to me. I owe my existence and my freedom to it.
Anybody who uses that freedom to insult it, while it’s their right is at the same time a de facto enemy to me. Because that flag represents this country and it represents those who lie under it who come home in coffins.
I take it like if you spit on the flag, you are spitting on me, because of what this place means to me.
I can and have lived in other places and be fine, but I don’t love them like I love the U.S. I have been around the (free) world, and there are great places, but the U.S. is the best. Running a not distant, second is Austrailia… That is a really awesome place. But the U.S. is better.
The guy is in desperate need of education. Roughly 360,000 people died in the Union Army to end slavery. They fought under the American flag, the one he protesting. The civil rights movement occurred under the flag of the U.S., not against it but under it to secure equal rights for all peoples.
When he protests the whole fucking country, he’s protesting those who fought and died for equality too. Which makes him a moron…
Yes he is.
The attribution to Bernard is due to John of Salisbury. In 1159, John wrote in his Metalogicon: “Bernard of Chartres used to compare us to dwarfs perched on the shoulders of giants. He pointed out that we see more and farther than our predecessors, not because we have keener vision or greater height, but because we are lifted up and borne aloft on their gigantic stature.” (stolen from Wikipedia)
When I weigh the historical significance of someone or thing, I think about this quote, and how respectful real history makers are of their predecessors. That reverence and want to be worthy which drives people to greatness.
Then there’s this Kasplatnik. He jumps down from their shoulders and pisses on their shoes.
Why is it so offensive to people that a US citizen is flexing his right to free speech and protest, to say that what the flag represents to millions(freedom, justice, liberty for ALL) is not a reality and that we all need to work harder to make a more perfect country?
He feels the that this medium of protest is his most effective way of advancing the cause. He isn’t disrespecting anyone. He is utilizing the right so many fought and died for, the same right so many in this thread want to take from him, to try and make this country a better place to live for all.
Besides, he is reaching tens of millions with his message… a very, very American message.
These are why:
He most certainly is.
No one wants to take his right to protest or speech away from him. No ne has advocated for that here.
Why is it so offensive to you that some US citizens are flexing their right to free speech by posting about an asshole on a forum?
Aside from the fact that he’s wrong, offers no solutions, is doing this for attention, and supports racism and is anti-cop making him a huge part of the problem he’s protesting? I don’t know, I can’t imagine why anyone would ever call him an idiot…
No soldier fights for a flag. They fight for what the flag represents- freedom, liberty, justice for ALL. Tge military has and is doing its job to protect those values, we, the domestic population are not. We have been lulled into complacency instead of striving to fully live up to those values every damn day. Kaepernick is shining a big ol light on this shortcoming.
If anything, veterans should be pissed that America isn’t living up to the ideals the flag is supposed to represent, and hundreds of thousands died for.
By wearing pig cop socks and sitting down?
No, the people he mocks in the blue uniforms are the ones taking a stand to do something to provide safety and security to poor neighborhoods. And they risk their lives to do it. Kaepernick dishonoring veterans and mocking cops while collecting his millions of dollars from rich white executives is a narcissistic fool desperately in need of attention.
No, he is shining a light on himself. What issue/shortcoming is he exactly focused on?
In what ways do we not live up to those values? What issue?
Are we better or worse than we have previously been when people fought and died for those ideals? My understanding is that we’re better than we ever have been. It’s not about your version of perfect, we will always have problems, but if someone doesn’t want to show respect to the people who have fought and died for the freedoms they take advantage of they deserve to be called out for it. He has the right to do it, he also has the right to receive the consequences of acting like a spoiled brat.
The message he is spreading is very, very much bull shit.
Back in school, there were some little dudes who didn’t say the Pledge of Allegiance every morning.
Nobody jumped on them, or called their message bullshit.
America is the reason that oppressive powers do not control the world. The Quarterback should be fined for such behavior.
I’m pretty confident I know why men and women put a military uniform on.
Kaepernick isn’t shinning a light on anything except how moronic he is.
We have not been lulled into complacency. The domestic population is not failing these values. That is total nonsense.
We aren’t going to agree so I’ll just let it go.
