Is it important that the teenage killer yesterday in Utah was a Muslim refugee from Bosnia?
Just wondering if any/all of that info was left out of every story I could find but one intentionally.
We seem to have issues with Islamists killing innocent people here and there, we seem to have issues with our imigration and security as well.
This just seems relevant somehow.
[quote]derek wrote:
Is it important that the teenage killer yesterday in Utah was a Muslim refugee from Bosnia?
Just wondering if any/all of that info was left out of every story I could find but one intentionally.
We seem to have issues with Islamists killing innocent people here and there, we seem to have issues with our imigration and security as well.
This just seems relevant somehow. [/quote]
Chalk another one up for George W. Bush and his failed policies.
I can’t believe I voted for this bastard. 
Dustin
If this can somehow be traced to the guy I voted for TWICE I’m all ears.
I can be convinced. But right now I want to know why I had to SEARCH for that info. I was NOT in any of the local papers (and they knew it at print time).
[quote]derek wrote:
If this can somehow be traced to the guy I voted for TWICE I’m all ears.
I can be convinced. But right now I want to know why I had to SEARCH for that info. I was NOT in any of the local papers (and they knew it at print time).
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Seriously? Bush fails to secure the borders, which allows criminals and any other low life in the country. All of this occurs while we’re fighting a “war on terror”.
Dustin
Where did you find that information? I was able to get his name and make a good guess where he was from, but no source I found mentioned he was muslim. Is there any more word on if the kid made any statements or wrote any letters indicating why he conducted this attack? If it was a suicide attack, he should have written a note or left a video.
[quote]Dustin wrote:
Seriously? Bush fails to secure the borders, which allows criminals and any other low life in the country. All of this occurs while we’re fighting a “war on terror”.
Dustin[/quote]
I understand that part. This kid was a refugee. The border issue is moot in this instance but knowing who we have and who we allow in as refugees in another issue.
[quote]BH6 wrote:
If it was a suicide attack, he should have written a note or left a video. [/quote]
Now I’m NOT saying this was a Muslim vs. Christian thing. The info IS relevant however.
He was killed by a police officer. Whether this was a “suicide” attack is not known because of that. This so far is simply a killing spree. No motive as yet.
I’m with you, I wasn’t implying that this was anything more than it is. We will see how the investigation turns out. It seems to me that this kid didn’t intend on getting back to his mother when he ran out of ammo.
I heard the story three times this evening on three different newscasts: CBS News, the local CBS affiliate and the local NBC affiliate. All three mentioned that he was a Muslim refugee from Bosnia.
Maybe you’re just looking to be offended? Or maybe your cranial-rectal inversion has resulted in fecal impingement of your ear canals.
Ask HH, he suffers from the same affliction. But you’ll probably need to sign.
And Eric Harris was Catholic and Dylan Klebold was Jewish.
One thing they ALL had in common… trench coats.
If you look into it you will find that similar things have happened in the Scandinavian countries and elsewhere where poor immigrants have moved en masse. The stories I remember did happen to be about muslim refugees. This may just be due to chance and the large numbers of them involved. But, I’ve got to believe that some kind of cross cultural disconnect is at work here…
[quote]tme wrote:
I heard the story three times this evening on three different newscasts: CBS News, the local CBS affiliate and the local NBC affiliate. All three mentioned that he was a Muslim refugee from Bosnia.
Maybe you’re just looking to be offended? Or maybe your cranial-rectal inversion has resulted in fecal impingement of your ear canals.
Ask HH, he suffers from the same affliction. But you’ll probably need to sign.
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Maybe you can pull your head out of your ass.
Maybe you can see where I wrote that it was NOT in the news after I knew it was known to authorities and as of the writing of the news articles.
Maybe you can read where I wrote that there was no known motive and that I was NOT saying that this was a Muslim vs. Christian thing.
Dumbass. Another dumbass reading things into what I wrote.
Who’s looking to be offended tme? Maybe it’s you?
Besides the ONE source that said he was Muslim, it WAS NOT in the news anywhere.
It’s relevant, and hidden that’s all.
Sounds like the off-duty cop present at the mall was reponsible for saving a lot of people, including his pregnant wife.
Engaged a man with a shotgun and kept him cornered until backup arrived using only subcompact pistol. Gutsy move.
[quote]Dustin wrote:
derek wrote:
Is it important that the teenage killer yesterday in Utah was a Muslim refugee from Bosnia?
Just wondering if any/all of that info was left out of every story I could find but one intentionally.
We seem to have issues with Islamists killing innocent people here and there, we seem to have issues with our imigration and security as well.
This just seems relevant somehow.
Chalk another one up for George W. Bush and his failed policies.
I can’t believe I voted for this bastard.
Dustin[/quote]
Don’t feel too bad about voting for Bush for lack of border security. ALL Presidents since 1924 have failed the US in border security.
[quote]derek wrote:
If this can somehow be traced to the guy I voted for TWICE I’m all ears.
I can be convinced. But right now I want to know why I had to SEARCH for that info. I was NOT in any of the local papers (and they knew it at print time).
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The lack of border security can be traced back to the President, Congress, Senate, Governors, Mayors…you get the idea. Doesn’t matter what party is in office. Both fail equally.
[quote]MaloVerde wrote:
The lack of border security can be traced back to the President, Congress, Senate, Governors, Mayors…you get the idea. Doesn’t matter what party is in office. Both fail equally.
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I’m with ya on that!
(Nice avatar too!)
The fact that the shooter was Muslim certainly got my attention but it is not necessarily relevant. After the investigation has progressed, we will start to get a clearer picture of his motives. If it is any type of terrorist/jihadist action, he will have left an indication of that. It does those scum no good if they don’t get credit for their heinous actions. That is how terrorism works.
The conspiracy kook who posted above about the religious backgrounds of the Columbine shooters intentionally distorted that circumstance. It is sad to see so many people act like ostriches
because of political correctness(or plain
ultra-left wing mental illness). Study the Columbine incident a little deeper and you will see religion played no part in their actions. While no one is 100% sure what set those kids off on that rampage, no information I have read(and I read lots) mentioned their religious background as a causal factor.
The Utah mall shooter could fall under the same anti-social pattern as Harris and Klebold due to a host of factors totally independent of religion. However, given the state of the world, and the nature of a portion of Muslim followers, this could have been something else entirely. Don’t be a jackass and throw out the usual “Tim Mcveigh was a Christian”. Anyone who does that is contributing to our demise.
As far as the border goes, I think we are
screwed as a country. As Malo Verde pointed out, this has gone on for decades. Try to find a US citizen who is
for a wide open border with Mexico and totally unchecked migration. It is almost impossible. However, a small percentage of powerful people want this to continue. The standard line is Republicans won’t stop it because they want cheap labor and Democrats won’t stop it because they want a votes(and an influx of already-trained socialists). That pretty much sums it up.
Aside from the apocalyptic social costs this will eventually bring down on us, the terror that will one day come across the Southern border will make us long for the days of random mall shootings.
[quote]JD430 wrote:
As Malo Verde pointed out, this has gone on for decades. Try to find a US citizen who is
for a wide open border with Mexico and totally unchecked migration. It is almost impossible. However, a small percentage of powerful people want this to continue. The standard line is Republicans won’t stop it because they want cheap labor and Democrats won’t stop it because they want a votes(and an influx of already-trained socialists). That pretty much sums it up. [/quote]
I don’t want to totally jack this thread, but there are many alternatives to the current system of “Border Security” that is being used right now. And one that is viable is an “Open Border”. Definitely not a wide open border, but a variation that would better secure our country than the system currently in play.
Problem is, politicians don’t want to hear about it. Not even from the very agencies who protect our borders. They only listen to those who yell the loudest.
[quote]MaloVerde wrote:
JD430 wrote:
As Malo Verde pointed out, this has gone on for decades. Try to find a US citizen who is
for a wide open border with Mexico and totally unchecked migration. It is almost impossible. However, a small percentage of powerful people want this to continue. The standard line is Republicans won’t stop it because they want cheap labor and Democrats won’t stop it because they want a votes(and an influx of already-trained socialists). That pretty much sums it up.
I don’t want to totally jack this thread, but there are many alternatives to the current system of “Border Security” that is being used right now. And one that is viable is an “Open Border”. Definitely not a wide open border, but a variation that would better secure our country than the system currently in play.
Problem is, politicians don’t want to hear about it. Not even from the very agencies who protect our borders. They only listen to those who yell the loudest.
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Im not sure I follow the open border idea being better for security. Maybe you could expound on it, even if it is kind of off topic.
Even if it would allow for better security, there are a host of other issues with throwing the border wide open…but that would take us way off course.
More on topic, here is an article on the Utah shooting that includes some information about the suspect:
http://www.deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,660195489,00.html
Still no word on how much Islam played in this guy’s life. It is possible that it may have filled a void in his disturbed mind, the way Marilyn Manson and violent video games did for Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. However, that is pure speculation on my part.
[quote]JD430 wrote:
MaloVerde wrote:
JD430 wrote:
Im not sure I follow the open border idea being better for security. Maybe you could expound on it, even if it is kind of off topic.
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It would take a new thread to fully explain the multiple options that are out there, but in a nutshell…
The term “Open Borders” doesn’t mean you can cross anywhere. It makes the US more accessible than it currently is to those non-citizens with passports. It makes it easier for non-citizens to get jobs in the US and then leave once the job is complete. A type of guest worker program. Not many know that there is a quota as to how many from certain countries can immigrate to the US each year.
The majority of the current Border Patrol staff would be “reassigned” to interior immigration and anti-terrorism enforcement.
The military would then take over responsibility of guarding our nations borders.
At this point, anyone crossing the border would be either someone who is deported, a criminal or a terrorist. The level of engagement for these offenders could be raised from the levels they are currently. Certainly higher than the current status of misdemeanor. (It’s a felony for anyone previously convicted of certain misdemeanors and all felonies.)
Whether the media reports it or politicians admit it, there are REALLY bad people are crossing our borders everyday. A lot are caught. But it doesn’t help that ALL who cross at a point other than a point of entry are treated EXACTLY the same until proven something worse by their actions or records. That’s dangerous.
There’s a reason why nobody illegally crosses the borders into countries like China. They will be shot and killed.
Currently I couldn’t sleep at night if everyone who crossed our borders was shot just for crossing. Change it to my semi-outlined Open Border and I could sleep like a lion.
My explanation is oversimplified and doesn’t explain a lot of minutia, but if other posters are interested, maybe another thread could be started.