[quote]kenedy13 wrote:
ipjunkie wrote:
tumbeh wrote:
Cops know where and when these groups gather. They need to put a stop to it.
Exactly. Unless they are outgunned or there are not enough honest cops? What do you do then? There really isn’t a solution to the problem that isn’t difficult or costly, whether in terms of money or human life.
But I am amazed at the hordes of out of control people in videos like this. It really makes me think that a mob, anyone, anywhere, if they are behaving like this, the police should be allowed to come in and use lethal force.
We have a winner. Most of the police are outgunned around here. I don’t have any real “hook-ups” but I bet I could purchase an AK-47 in under a week if I wanted too.
This is the reason our troops are having trouble in iraq. When civilians are involved, everyones a target. The police can’t just run around shooting black people, and with this many of them I doubt they could be handcuffed and taken to jail. The police just pay them special visits and try and take them one at a time. Which rarely works because they always stick together.[/quote]
And I suppose only black people do this kind of things?
RACIST!
[quote]carter12 wrote:
kenedy13 wrote:
You watch to many movies. Girls get raped/killed/pimped/kidnapped/beatup/ whatever else guys can think of for fun all the time. Girls are the number 1 targets round here.
I understand it goes on and women are easier targets, but that isn’t what I was saying. It’s not shocking to find out it happens, hell, nobody’s that naive. I just don’t get how someone can be such a shit bag to actually do it. Harming a woman or a child (not in defense, just out of pure evil) is one of the lowest things a man could do. How does that imply that I’m watching too many movies?
Out of curiosity, what made you move to an area like that?[/quote]
Welfare.
Just kidding. My mother is very sick so I’m staying with her as long as she needs. She on the other hand does live off of welfare in this community.
[quote]MuscleMachine17 wrote:
kenedy13 wrote:
ipjunkie wrote:
tumbeh wrote:
Cops know where and when these groups gather. They need to put a stop to it.
Exactly. Unless they are outgunned or there are not enough honest cops? What do you do then? There really isn’t a solution to the problem that isn’t difficult or costly, whether in terms of money or human life.
But I am amazed at the hordes of out of control people in videos like this. It really makes me think that a mob, anyone, anywhere, if they are behaving like this, the police should be allowed to come in and use lethal force.
We have a winner. Most of the police are outgunned around here. I don’t have any real “hook-ups” but I bet I could purchase an AK-47 in under a week if I wanted too.
This is the reason our troops are having trouble in iraq. When civilians are involved, everyones a target. The police can’t just run around shooting black people, and with this many of them I doubt they could be handcuffed and taken to jail. The police just pay them special visits and try and take them one at a time. Which rarely works because they always stick together.
And I suppose only black people do this kind of things?
RACIST!
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There aren’t that many whites in oakland. You can beat around the bush and dodge the facts all you want, but this IS a black area. Lots of HOC housing, lots of liquor stores, lots of gun stores. Also alot of churches for some reason… Never could figure out why they would put 2 churches on the same block.
Wow. I wanted to stop watching and keep watching at the same time. It was making me feel sick, but I wanted to see all of it to see if she was ever helped.
I would like to think, if I was in a parking space or not, that I would have floored the car and drove away.
People can post all they want that it was her fault. I am not going to argue that at all. But her fault or not, that it is NOT civilized behavior. It is disgusting.
[quote]doogie wrote:
casper wrote:
We cannot seem to control ourselves…and in my opinion we are decaying in many ways.
I think things like this happen much less often today than in the past.
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They do. All statistics indicate crime has been going down for a long time. We just see it more because video cameras are so common and the internet and 100 cable TV channels can provide such visibility.
[quote]jacross wrote:
Can those who keep sayng ‘beaten to death’ please explain to me how they came to that conclusion.
The bitch got smacked up but there is nothing to suggest she is dead. The heart monitor was just sound effects.[/quote]
On that note, why do people keep jumping to conclusions and speculating? I.e. she was in that “gang”, the cops released her name to the gang, “he was trying to save his own ass”, etc.? This is how the media works, it plays with your emotions and you get caught up and from that point, you go off on a tangent, tell others about that tangent, and round and round we go. It’s difficult to be truly objective when watching such an emotional video as this but we really out to take it for what it is but we have to try to stop jumping to conclusions until we get some solid facts. Hell, for all we know this could be a Hollywood (admit it, it COULD be a possibility.)
[quote]IronHell wrote:
jacross wrote:
Can those who keep sayng ‘beaten to death’ please explain to me how they came to that conclusion.
The bitch got smacked up but there is nothing to suggest she is dead. The heart monitor was just sound effects.
On that note, why do people keep jumping to conclusions and speculating? I.e. she was in that “gang”, the cops released her name to the gang, “he was trying to save his own ass”, etc.? This is how the media works, it plays with your emotions and you get caught up and from that point, you go off on a tangent, tell others about that tangent, and round and round we go. It’s difficult to be truly objective when watching such an emotional video as this but we really out to take it for what it is but we have to try to stop jumping to conclusions until we get some solid facts. Hell, for all we know this could be a Hollywood (admit it, it COULD be a possibility.)
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Good point. Could be fake, but I’ve seen stuff like this happen before. I wouldn’t be suprised at either. The fact that these thugs actually got someone to do a voice over really does make it fishy.
[quote]kenedy13 wrote:
IronHell wrote:
jacross wrote:
Can those who keep sayng ‘beaten to death’ please explain to me how they came to that conclusion.
The bitch got smacked up but there is nothing to suggest she is dead. The heart monitor was just sound effects.
On that note, why do people keep jumping to conclusions and speculating? I.e. she was in that “gang”, the cops released her name to the gang, “he was trying to save his own ass”, etc.? This is how the media works, it plays with your emotions and you get caught up and from that point, you go off on a tangent, tell others about that tangent, and round and round we go. It’s difficult to be truly objective when watching such an emotional video as this but we really out to take it for what it is but we have to try to stop jumping to conclusions until we get some solid facts. Hell, for all we know this could be a Hollywood (admit it, it COULD be a possibility.)
Good point. Could be fake, but I’ve seen stuff like this happen before. I wouldn’t be suprised at either. The fact that these thugs actually got someone to do a voice over really does make it fishy.[/quote]
I just assumed (may be a bad assumption) that this video originally was shown on a TV show before being distributed on the net or something and the commentator was the voice over.
[quote]CarvedInsane wrote:
thats fucked, i don’t understand why the guy didn’t just drive the car away[/quote]
I always think that when I see things like this. Sort of like watching a group of motor cycle tough guys intimidate the guy with his family driving down the road in his sedan.
Why not swerve and take out a few bikers. Why pull over and get the crap beat out of you? Why not drive slowly through the crowd…but don’t stop.
Maybe someone with more experience in these matters can tell me why that doesn’t work.
I wager in this particular scenario (making some assumptions and speculations) the people know the guy/driver and the driver doesn’t want to stick his neck on the line lest they come after him later. Basically, he’s protecting his ass and chooses to do that rathe than standing up for the victim and driving off.
[quote]casper wrote:
Do all you guys and girls think that maybe we as a society have become to immature and too irresponsible for this so-called freedom. Maybe we as adults need a little bit more parenting ourselves. We cannot seem to control ourselves…and in my opinion we are decaying in many ways. Our values are screwed, or morals are all messed up. Do you not thknk it is time for someone to step in and control us a little bit. I’mj not tlaking about extremists ( communism ) I just think that we better do something or else it will just get worse. [/quote]
Speak for yourself.(not that there’s anything wrong with that)
Want to do something about it? Don’t get involved with people who do this.
Believe me, there is not a single person in that crowd that doesn’t know damn well that if they do the same thing(rat on a dealer), they are next. Once again, Live by the sword, Die by the sword.
[quote]Kablooey wrote:
lincono wrote:
ConorM wrote:
ANy gathering of more than 10 ppl after midnight = jail? I thought America prided itself on being a free society?
Let’s remember that our constitution was written for property owners; people who have an interest in seeing our experiment succeed, not the dregs who only seem to care about their own leeching activities.
We all have an interest in seeing our experiment succeed.
Many good people are born without a lot of money. In the history of the world, only a small percentage have been born with much money at all.
That’s not to excuse criminals or dirtbags, but most poor and lower class people are neither. They want to get away from the dirtbags even more than the rich, because they have to seem them all the time and are vulnerable to them.[/quote]
Very good points, but we do excuse too many criminals in this society because the justice system has a vested interest in recidivism. I would bet that more than fifty percent of the individuals on that tape have lengthy criminal records; unfortunately, as mentioned by others, corruption is a big problem, and takes many forms.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
I always think that when I see things like this. Sort of like watching a group of motor cycle tough guys intimidate the guy with his family driving down the road in his sedan.
Why not swerve and take out a few bikers. Why pull over and get the crap beat out of you? Why not drive slowly through the crowd…but don’t stop.
Maybe someone with more experience in these matters can tell me why that doesn’t work.[/quote]
I wonder the same thing. I think the average person is just too panicky (is that a word?) to make a decision.
Most situations like this are avoidable or at least escapable (no matter how bad you fucked up), but many people get paralyzed by fear. The risk of death is too much for most men to handle.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
I always think that when I see things like this. Sort of like watching a group of motor cycle tough guys intimidate the guy with his family driving down the road in his sedan.
Why not swerve and take out a few bikers. Why pull over and get the crap beat out of you? Why not drive slowly through the crowd…but don’t stop.
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I remember watching an ER episode where they had a scenario like this… the landlord of some tenement was in the ambulance, and a crowd of tenants surrounded the ambulance and started rocking it. I asked my father if he’d ever seen anything like that (he used to be a police officer). He said yes, and that “they drive over the motherfuckers.”
Let’s say the crowd of people was part of a “gang”.
Let’s say the victim was involved in that “gang” and then “snitched” on some of them or what have you.
That said, we’ve been talking about how come no one called the police to stop this etc, let me post this question:
Would you rather have the police come by and try and rescue/save this girl, who is probably a low life herself (read assumption #2), who is probably a “bad person” involved in other “bad people’s” business, or have the city/state save money for the real problems, namely, when actual good people get attacked by bad people?
This is akin to whenever I see some A-hole drivers on the freeway, they cut people off, tail gate, run red lights, whatever, and I think “man, where’s a cop when I wish there was one to deal with this a-hole?” Then I think, “hopefully the cop is dealing with the real criminals, namely the burglars, murders, or any people committing crimes more heinous than just cutting people off and violating the carpool lane on the freeway.”
Given the limited resources in terms of the # of cops and the amount of money the city/state may offer them, we have to ask ourselves, at what level of “law breaking” should they be involved in the MOST.
I actually intervened two guys beating a thirteen year old boy for his bag of fast food on monday night. I know its not anywhere near as violent as this clip, but, shit like this happens everyday. Maybe not to this multitude of that mob, but in a large metro area like the bay its not uncommon to hear of a beating or shooting.
Don’t get me wrong I was heated, called the cops and sat with the boy with my softball bat just in case these two guys decided to come back. Its an unfortunate thing when something so fucked up happens to innocent people. I personally don’t know if this girl was “innocent” of anything but you get my point.
[quote]nephorm wrote:
ZEB wrote:
I always think that when I see things like this. Sort of like watching a group of motor cycle tough guys intimidate the guy with his family driving down the road in his sedan.
Why not swerve and take out a few bikers. Why pull over and get the crap beat out of you? Why not drive slowly through the crowd…but don’t stop.
I remember watching an ER episode where they had a scenario like this… the landlord of some tenement was in the ambulance, and a crowd of tenants surrounded the ambulance and started rocking it. I asked my father if he’d ever seen anything like that (he used to be a police officer). He said yes, and that “they drive over the motherfuckers.”
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[quote]casper wrote:
Do all you guys and girls think that maybe we as a society have become to immature and too irresponsible for this so-called freedom. Maybe we as adults need a little bit more parenting ourselves. We cannot seem to control ourselves…and in my opinion we are decaying in many ways. Our values are screwed, or morals are all messed up. Do you not thknk it is time for someone to step in and control us a little bit. I’mj not tlaking about extremists ( communism ) I just think that we better do something or else it will just get worse. [/quote]
So who ya gonna put in charge? Is all of America as fucked up as Oakland?
