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[quote]That One Guy wrote:
makkun wrote:
Artem wrote:
[…]You could have been stoned doing all that stuff. Now how fun would have that been?
My point being, you can’t say something is overrated when you have no experience in it.

See MarvelGirl’s post above. Surely you can achieve stuff being stoned. You’d just be surprised how many seem to struggle with the combination and end up fucking up their lives. And somehow it’s more the guys that used to party like this who got nowhere, ruined their families, or whom I have visited either in prison or at their grave. Surely that’s just a coincidence.

Most people never hit rock bottom like that - but how do you know that you will be able to handle it? Why take the risk - because someone tells you it’s ghey not to? When your behaviour is governed by peer pressure then you’re truly not on the way to a self-fulfilling future. The decision is all yours - just live with the consequences.

Makkun

Simple, don’t let peer pressure influence whether you experiment with drugs or not. I did out of curiosity, I have no problem finding a medium. Hell, I love smoking weed. But I have to get clean for a job over the summer, so I stopped smoking 2 weeks ago. No big deal. Life’s a big balance. Just like how most people on this site balance work, family, and lifting etc. As long as people realize this, they will never have a problem in life.
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Your a fucking twat kid, How old are you?
What the hell do you know about life STFU and go to bed
To the OP please just ignore dumb advice like this Makkun has got the right idea.

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In my defense, i AM in an international program, getting fairly good grades with no effort at all, so im on a good track already and am planning on getting 90s in grd 11 and 12. Im not one of those kids that can possibly drop out. I have a strong family backing me up, so even if i start to slip they will help me stay on track. Theres no worries academically. I am almost garunteed to have a nice job and make lots of money with it. I was just curious so i decided to try them, and they werent bad experiences. This is what frustrated me, how the people saying i’ll end up on the streets as a druggie are the ones doing worst academically.

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Seriously guys? Any of you telling Ahzaz it’s fine to smoke and drink at this age needs to grow up a bit. Condoning drug usage and drinking to a 15 year old seems a tad… irresponsible. Regardless of our own past experiences and personal belief on it effects on health, a 15 year old’s brain development is not mature enough for proper decision making.

Ahzaz, you seem like a sharp kid, I’m sure you’re aware that drugs CAN screw your life up, even the more innocent weed and especially alcohol. I also saw your other post about trying to get in shape and whatnot and I’m SURE you know that these things are NOT going to help you get where you want to go physically. You’re in 9th grade, makeout with as many chicks as you can, female interaction is always a good thing, the drugs however? c’mon you know better than that, it’s not doing you any good and it’s been shown the younger you start using “substances” the more likely you are going to royally jack your life up. Get a new hobby, pick up a sport, clean up your diet hit the gym harder, read a book, devout your time and energy on a more wholesome activity, better yourself. At such a young age, you shouldn’t need an “escape” yet.

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[quote]ahzaz wrote:
I am almost garunteed to have a nice job and make lots of money with it. I was just curious so i decided to try them, and they werent bad experiences. This is what frustrated me, how the people saying i’ll end up on the streets as a druggie are the ones doing worst academically.[/quote]

Everyone thinks they will be rich when they are still in high school. Once you start college and mommy and daddy stop paying for everything you realize how much of a struggle it really is. At the same time though it is a blessing. Working for $8 an hour sucks ass and it makes you work harder to get a good degree and job.

Don’t pussyfoot around, I did for a while and am still paying for it.

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Back when I was 15 I would have definitely gotten on your case about smoking weed and drinking, but I would have high-fived you for the “make out” lol.

This is purely my opinion so hopefully no one is offended but, I don’t think people your age should be having anything to do with alcohol or drugs. The guys I know who are alcoholics or pot heads are the guys who started early in high school. Those of us who drink/smoke casually and don’t have any addiction issues were in general the ones who waited a few extra years, when peer pressure wasn’t so much a factor, we just wanted to try something new.

I just think it’s important to be mature enough when you do those things. You should do it because you want to experience something new, not because “all the cool kids do it” or you want to look like a bad ass etc etc.

If you decide to keep drinking/smoking just be careful. Everyone thinks that’s the “cool” thing to do in High school and it can very quickly become a habit and then an addiction because you will keep doing those things to look cool infront of your peers.

Good luck man :wink:

P.S. Once again this is JMO so if anyone started smoking/drinking young and turned out just fine, more power to you![/quote]

QFT I had a hard time controlling myself in high school and was blazing like every day skipping school and drinking on weekends. Yet that’s just me I couldn’t “control” myself most the time. So I’d advise like waylander be careful. I was easily influenced by my friends. Being insecure and all the only people I related and hung out with were all the kids who did drugs and drank constantly.

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[quote]pstruhar7786 wrote:
Seriously guys? Any of you telling Ahzaz it’s fine to smoke and drink at this age needs to grow up a bit. Condoning drug usage and drinking to a 15 year old seems a tad… irresponsible. Regardless of our own past experiences and personal belief on it effects on health, a 15 year old’s brain development is not mature enough for proper decision making.

Ahzaz, you seem like a sharp kid, I’m sure you’re aware that drugs CAN screw your life up, even the more innocent weed and especially alcohol. I also saw your other post about trying to get in shape and whatnot and I’m SURE you know that these things are NOT going to help you get where you want to go physically. You’re in 9th grade, makeout with as many chicks as you can, female interaction is always a good thing, the drugs however? c’mon you know better than that, it’s not doing you any good and it’s been shown the younger you start using “substances” the more likely you are going to royally jack your life up. Get a new hobby, pick up a sport, clean up your diet hit the gym harder, read a book, devout your time and energy on a more wholesome activity, better yourself. At such a young age, you shouldn’t need an “escape” yet. [/quote]

Boy do I love weed. I love reading books stoned, cleaning up my diet stoned, making out with chicks stoned, hitting the gym stoned, and getting stoned stoned.
It’s wonderful.

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You seem like a really intelligent person Artem, I’m glad you responded among the others. How old are you by the way, and when did you start getting stoned? Do you think you’ve accomplished everything you would have if you had never started smoking? Would you recommend illegal drug use to yore 15 year old sister/daughter? Do you honestly not see the lack of responsibility in advocating drug use to an impressionable young man?

Perhaps you have been lucky and never gotten in trouble with the law because of it, some of us are not quite as fortunate, for a young man with aspirations both physically and financially, I would say stay away from as many activities that would possibly end these goals wouldn’t you? I know personally I never smoked before I was 18 and my life has been a lot less troubled than some of my friends that started younger…

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[quote]pstruhar7786 wrote:
You seem like a really intelligent person Artem, I’m glad you responded among the others. How old are you by the way, and when did you start getting stoned? Do you think you’ve accomplished everything you would have if you had never started smoking? Would you recommend illegal drug use to yore 15 year old sister/daughter? Do you honestly not see the lack of responsibility in advocating drug use to an impressionable young man?

Perhaps you have been lucky and never gotten in trouble with the law because of it, some of us are not quite as fortunate, for a young man with aspirations both physically and financially, I would say stay away from as many activities that would possibly end these goals wouldn’t you? I know personally I never smoked before I was 18 and my life has been a lot less troubled than some of my friends that started younger… [/quote]

I’ve been smoking pot since I was 13. It has not held me back in any way. In fact, it has done a lot for me. Some great stuff has happened that would not have happened had I not smoked pot. I would not recommend illegal drug use to my younger sibling, but I’d rather have them smoke with/buy from me than their peers.

I have indeed never been in trouble with the police. A cop once pulled friend and I over coming back from NIU around 3am and I was quite un-sober, but all I got was a $20. out past curfew ticket. The cop did find my piece and blunt wraps under the seat though and threw them into a field. That kind of sucked.

It’s a matter of who you are. Many of my friends have been arrested for weed and other stupid shit. I know kids that were strongly against weed last year and are constantly stoned now and fuck up in school. If you’re smart about it, then it’s not a big deal. If you’re not sure whether you can handle it, then don’t do it. But nobody considers that and does it anyways.

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Your fucking to hardcore for me kid but seriously how old are you?
Artimmy and That one boy should probably hang out together, you both sound as retarded as each other.

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[quote]Artem wrote:
[…] I’ve been smoking pot since I was 13. It has not held me back in any way. In fact, it has done a lot for me. Some great stuff has happened that would not have happened had I not smoked pot. I would not recommend illegal drug use to my younger sibling, but I’d rather have them smoke with/buy from me than their peers.

I have indeed never been in trouble with the police. A cop once pulled friend and I over coming back from NIU around 3am and I was quite un-sober, but all I got was a $20. out past curfew ticket. The cop did find my piece and blunt wraps under the seat though and threw them into a field. That kind of sucked.

It’s a matter of who you are. Many of my friends have been arrested for weed and other stupid shit. I know kids that were strongly against weed last year and are constantly stoned now and fuck up in school. If you’re smart about it, then it’s not a big deal. If you’re not sure whether you can handle it, then don’t do it. But nobody considers that and does it anyways.
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I’m sorry, and I hope you don’t see this as a personal attack - but, I think you may be overlooking the effect your usage already has on your life: You have run a thread a while ago where you described in quite a bit of detail how your relationship with a girl broke down. If I remember correctly, you admitted in this thread that you had enabled a 15 year old girl access to weed and alcohol, and that the father of said girl (who went into a psych ward for a short time) ordered you to stay away from her for exactly that use of weed.

http://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sex_girls_pictures_hot_pics_photo_women/the_dramatic_conclusion

My point? Not all effects of illegal drug use are legal - in fact most of them will be personal and social. Just because you haven’t been arrested (although you already have been caught by your own account), your habit has already had some impact on your personal life; and what’s more important, on someone else’s.

Again, please don’t take this as a personal dig - but as an example how easy one can underestimate the effects of what is so often seen as ‘harmless’. Everything you do has consequences - they just often show years later on, and they don’t always affect you directly at first. One of the effects of drinking and many other drugs is a lowered estimation of risks combined with a heightened perception of one’s abilities - a bad combination for steering your life and future planning.

Makkun

PS: To the OP - if I were you, I’d book the experiences under, well ‘experience’, and follow the sound advice coming from so many of the older posters.

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[quote]That One Guy wrote:
Riiiight, because there was NO POSSIBLE WAY, that you could have achieved anything while not partaking in drinking or smoking every once in a while. Goochadmg, that’s your fault. You weren’t disciplined enough to find a medium and achieve in life while being able to drink or smoke. Shut your ass up and stop blaming it on drugs. I smoke and drink occasionally, usually drink on the weekends. I’m still in college studying for a degree in Exercise Science, planning on going into Physical Therapy. I’m not a failure at life. You have to find a medium.
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Did you not really read my post, and just knee-jerk replied, or are you high? :wink:

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I don’t know if this has already been said but squats and milk!

Seriously. This is a body building website and you are killing your muscles. How could we not disapprove?

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[quote]Artem wrote:
I’ve been smoking pot since I was 13. It has not held me back in any way. In fact, it has done a lot for me.
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Really? A lot? You’re too young for a lot of anything to have happened to you.

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[quote]goochadamg wrote:
Artem wrote:
I’ve been smoking pot since I was 13. It has not held me back in any way. In fact, it has done a lot for me.

Really? A lot? You’re too young for a lot of anything to have happened to you.

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[quote]tom63 wrote:
That One Guy wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Read a book, don’t smoke dope and get your shit together. If you were a grown up you would realize that you are responsible for your own choices and shouldn’t worry about what friends think.

I’m 45 BTW, and I never smoked dope and I was opposed to it as a kid and never became a drunk or an addict. I just thought it was a stupid waste of time. Opposition to an activity does not mean you will become an addict later. it might mean you have some common sense.

Good for you, so you don’t think anyone should smoke weed ever because they won’t get their lives together? How would you know considering you’ve never smoked once in your life? It’s like asking someone who’s never had sex what it’s like.

I know some addicts. I also understand some brain chemistry due to that chiropractor thing. I also have been diagnosed with ADD, like my daughter and have read a great deal on brain function. Real books, not High Times.

I also know that everyone’s brain is different. Marijuana does not have a good effect long term on your brain. It won’t kill you, but you’re kidding yourself if you think you cannot become addicted.

I’ve seen the typical Cheech and Chong wastoids, yes they do exist. And they don’t do crap with their lives. I know this is not everyone who smokes, but some will have this problem.

I’m a grown up with responsibilities, I don’t have time for self indulgent screwing around.[/quote]

Well yeah obviously if you have a job and run the risk of losing said job, then don’t smoke.

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[quote]makkun wrote:
That One Guy wrote:
makkun wrote:
Artem wrote:
[…]You could have been stoned doing all that stuff. Now how fun would have that been?
My point being, you can’t say something is overrated when you have no experience in it.

See MarvelGirl’s post above. Surely you can achieve stuff being stoned. You’d just be surprised how many seem to struggle with the combination and end up fucking up their lives. And somehow it’s more the guys that used to party like this who got nowhere, ruined their families, or whom I have visited either in prison or at their grave. Surely that’s just a coincidence.

Most people never hit rock bottom like that - but how do you know that you will be able to handle it? Why take the risk - because someone tells you it’s ghey not to? When your behaviour is governed by peer pressure then you’re truly not on the way to a self-fulfilling future. The decision is all yours - just live with the consequences.

Makkun

Simple, don’t let peer pressure influence whether you experiment with drugs or not. I did out of curiosity, I have no problem finding a medium. Hell, I love smoking weed. But I have to get clean for a job over the summer, so I stopped smoking 2 weeks ago. No big deal. Life’s a big balance. Just like how most people on this site balance work, family, and lifting etc. As long as people realize this, they will never have a problem in life.

Great if you can handle it. No one says you can’t achieve anything with occasional drinking and consuming dope. But let’s bring this back to the OP (16 if I remember correctly) - he asked if his friends who give him a hard time after he lied to them about his ‘experimentation’. The advice ranged from ‘give up your critical friends’ to not smoking weed is ‘ghey’ (I paraphrase). All I pointed out is that you can live through a perfectly happy youth not consuming alcohol or drugs - and without ending up lying to your friends about it. Surely if you have this balanced a view, you can’t disagree with that?

Makkun[/quote]

Sure.

[quote]makkun wrote:

Just an observation - do we have a bit of an age gap here? Younger guys, full of enthusiasm convinced that consuming alcohol and drugs can be managed with confidence - and older guys who’ve seen either people who thought that back then and were wrong, or have made the experience themselves? Just wondering whether whether there’s a little bit of an experience gap.

Makkun[/quote]

Not really, everybody has had different experiences. In my life, the set of experiences I’ve gone through personally, people who were at the extreme of, “No drugs ever!” then got curious, they tried some, realized, “Holy shit this is awesome, I must do this every day!!” and went to the next extreme.

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[quote]goochadamg wrote:
That One Guy wrote:
Riiiight, because there was NO POSSIBLE WAY, that you could have achieved anything while not partaking in drinking or smoking every once in a while. Goochadmg, that’s your fault. You weren’t disciplined enough to find a medium and achieve in life while being able to drink or smoke. Shut your ass up and stop blaming it on drugs. I smoke and drink occasionally, usually drink on the weekends. I’m still in college studying for a degree in Exercise Science, planning on going into Physical Therapy. I’m not a failure at life. You have to find a medium.

Did you not really read my post, and just knee-jerk replied, or are you high? ;)[/quote]

Knee-jerk reply. I read your post, but upon going back I realized that I had, unconsciously, selectively interpreted what I had wanted to interpret.

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[quote]That One Guy wrote:
tom63 wrote:
That One Guy wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Read a book, don’t smoke dope and get your shit together. If you were a grown up you would realize that you are responsible for your own choices and shouldn’t worry about what friends think.

I’m 45 BTW, and I never smoked dope and I was opposed to it as a kid and never became a drunk or an addict. I just thought it was a stupid waste of time. Opposition to an activity does not mean you will become an addict later. it might mean you have some common sense.

Good for you, so you don’t think anyone should smoke weed ever because they won’t get their lives together? How would you know considering you’ve never smoked once in your life? It’s like asking someone who’s never had sex what it’s like.

I know some addicts. I also understand some brain chemistry due to that chiropractor thing. I also have been diagnosed with ADD, like my daughter and have read a great deal on brain function. Real books, not High Times.

I also know that everyone’s brain is different. Marijuana does not have a good effect long term on your brain. It won’t kill you, but you’re kidding yourself if you think you cannot become addicted.

I’ve seen the typical Cheech and Chong wastoids, yes they do exist. And they don’t do crap with their lives. I know this is not everyone who smokes, but some will have this problem.

I’m a grown up with responsibilities, I don’t have time for self indulgent screwing around.

Well yeah obviously if you have a job and run the risk of losing said job, then don’t smoke.[/quote]

I’m self employed and could get away with it. But I don’t see it as adding quality to my life. I look at alcohol, which I do consume the same way. don’t overdue and don’t be illegal, ie, drink and drive. I don’t want to spend 6000$ for my good time. Have a few beers and go home.

But so many young people " have to get wasted, baked, drilled, or whatever word they call it now. This can cause a lot of complications in your life. I go to PSU football games. Near where we park there are these huge parties where the college kids get about 150 cases of soem nasty cheap beer, get wasted and make a huge mess.

Oftentimes you will see arrests and citations and complaints of why are the cops out to get me and such.

I told my 14 year old son, if you drink, drink 2 maybe three of something good, enjoy it, and don’t make a pig out of yourself. 3 great imports is cheaper than a case of crap and funny thing is you wake up feeling normal.

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[quote]makkun wrote:
Artem wrote:
[…] I’ve been smoking pot since I was 13. It has not held me back in any way. In fact, it has done a lot for me. Some great stuff has happened that would not have happened had I not smoked pot. I would not recommend illegal drug use to my younger sibling, but I’d rather have them smoke with/buy from me than their peers.

I have indeed never been in trouble with the police. A cop once pulled friend and I over coming back from NIU around 3am and I was quite un-sober, but all I got was a $20. out past curfew ticket. The cop did find my piece and blunt wraps under the seat though and threw them into a field. That kind of sucked.

It’s a matter of who you are. Many of my friends have been arrested for weed and other stupid shit. I know kids that were strongly against weed last year and are constantly stoned now and fuck up in school. If you’re smart about it, then it’s not a big deal. If you’re not sure whether you can handle it, then don’t do it. But nobody considers that and does it anyways.

I’m sorry, and I hope you don’t see this as a personal attack - but, I think you may be overlooking the effect your usage already has on your life: You have run a thread a while ago where you described in quite a bit of detail how your relationship with a girl broke down. If I remember correctly, you admitted in this thread that you had enabled a 15 year old girl access to weed and alcohol, and that the father of said girl (who went into a psych ward for a short time) ordered you to stay away from her for exactly that use of weed.

http://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sex_girls_pictures_hot_pics_photo_women/the_dramatic_conclusion

My point? Not all effects of illegal drug use are legal - in fact most of them will be personal and social. Just because you haven’t been arrested (although you already have been caught by your own account), your habit has already had some impact on your personal life; and what’s more important, on someone else’s.

Again, please don’t take this as a personal dig - but as an example how easy one can underestimate the effects of what is so often seen as ‘harmless’. Everything you do has consequences - they just often show years later on, and they don’t always affect you directly at first. One of the effects of drinking and many other drugs is a lowered estimation of risks combined with a heightened perception of one’s abilities - a bad combination for steering your life and future planning.

Makkun

PS: To the OP - if I were you, I’d book the experiences under, well ‘experience’, and follow the sound advice coming from so many of the older posters.[/quote]
It was definitely for the better. Oh and she’s 16. But I appreciate the genuine concern.

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