Sherman's March

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]malevolence wrote:
JeffR wrote:
mal,

Again, if I show you the evidence, will you admit error?

I’ll make it irrefutable.

Deal?

JeffR

It is not that easy. With something like personal responsibility, it is a measure of character and integrity. You may be right that he has demonstrated some sense and humility in the face of his fuck-ups, but the signal to noise ratio is vastly skewed against him. So please, show me your examples, because I would like to see them. I have not seen any, and I would like that to have been in error.

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mal,

I’ll try it once MORE. When I show your error, will you admit it?

I’m not going to do the work to educate you, without some gain.

I can get plenty of waffles at IHOP.

JeffR

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
malevolence wrote:
JeffR wrote:
mal,

Again, if I show you the evidence, will you admit error?

I’ll make it irrefutable.

Deal?

JeffR

It is not that easy. With something like personal responsibility, it is a measure of character and integrity. You may be right that he has demonstrated some sense and humility in the face of his fuck-ups, but the signal to noise ratio is vastly skewed against him. So please, show me your examples, because I would like to see them. I have not seen any, and I would like that to have been in error.

mal,

I’ll try it once MORE. When I show your error, will you admit it?

I’m not going to do the work to educate you, without some gain.

I can get plenty of waffles at IHOP.

JeffR

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Cat caught your tongue? come on, out with it already.

-mal

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
pookie wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
I wonder what the Left’s view of Uncle Billy’s “total war” in the March to the Sea is.

If all wars were “total wars,” I think we’d stopped having them a long time ago.

Our current “good for the economy” wars are bullshit and cause more problems than they solve.

pookie,

I wanted to tell you that you are one of the liberal guys who I respect.

Don’t let that go to your head ):

Sure doesn’t seem like nice guy wars go very well.

JeffR
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This post and chuckyT’s post below
"I thought Sherman’s approach shared much with Patton. Go right at them, the hard battle now saves lives in the long run. “War is war and no popularity seeking”. "
make a lot of sense.

In Iraq it seems that the US is trying to couquer/occupy a country while winning their hearts and minds.

Sherman, it seems, was smart enough to realise that you can’t do both at the same time.

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[quote]pookie wrote:
JeffR wrote:
You have a point. He wouldn’t like the modern Republicans who waffle.

Waffle? That’s like flip-flopping right?

That’s more ridiculous crap. As if people aren’t allowed to change their minds anymore. If you believe A, but later on new facts and evidence become available that make A a bad position and B a better one, it is not only OK, but intelligent and reasonable to change your mind.

We need people who hold opinions honestly; not the stupid partisan drones who blindly follow party lines, and especially not those idiots, like McCain for instance, who follow the party line long after that line has gone over the cliff.

Take a peek at this (note we are several months into a new offensive that most think is bearing some fruit).

See? That’s why I call you a clown. Everyone can see that Iraq isn’t working. Violence is as high as ever and apparently increasing. Hell, the parliament is getting bombed. McCain “strolls” down the street with body armor, his own battalion and 300 million worth of air support… yeah, that’s safe.

A surge could probably work; unfortunately, you don’t have close to the number of troops it would really require. You can’t surge in just one or two areas, the insurgents will simply move elsewhere and come back when you move again. If you could close/control the borders and impose martial law for a period sufficiently long for the various political and societal structures to be put in place, it could work.

What you’re doing now? Extending the tours of already exhausted troops; sending back injured and sick troops to meet the numbers, etc. Not a chance. Bearing fruits? Yeah, the only problem is that it’s a giant lemon.

Anyone who’s even a little lucid can see that the administration is simply manoeuvering so that they can blame the opposition when they finally admit what everyone has known for a couple of years now. They’ll say “we tried, but the Dems wouldn’t give us the means to succeed.” It’s all bullshit political maneuvering to be able to blame someone else for their failures. Even when they had the presidency and both Houses, they still couldn’t make any progress.
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Agree 100%.